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User currently offlineFourstripe From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 98 posts, RR: 0
Posted (10 years 7 months 19 hours ago) and read 1630 times:

Hello All!

I have been looking for a while now for some Aviation related companies or funds to invest money into. I am thinking of airlines but other companies as well. Does anyone have any advice or experience in this area?

Thanks,
David


“Aviation is proof that given, the will, we have the capacity to achieve the impossible.” - Edward Vernon Rickenbacker
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User currently offlineUsnseallt82 From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 4891 posts, RR: 52
Reply 1, posted (10 years 7 months 19 hours ago) and read 1617 times:

From what I've heard, don't invest in US Airways!  Big thumbs up

Cheers!



Crye me a river
User currently offlineEMBQA From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 9364 posts, RR: 11
Reply 2, posted (10 years 7 months 15 hours ago) and read 1586 times:

Advice from Warren Buffett........." If you want to become a Millionaire investing in the airlines, start with a Billion dollars"


"It's not the size of the dog in the fight, but the size of the fight in the dog"
User currently offlineRayBolt From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 255 posts, RR: 1
Reply 3, posted (10 years 7 months 9 hours ago) and read 1567 times:

I have been considering some airline industry stocks. The way I see it, they are already pretty low, and the industry seems to be picking up again (for instance, CO is at around $17 right now, i can def see that climbing a bit over the next year). I was also thinking about some Boeing-thinking that as the 7E7 starts to come to they should rise a bit also. But who knows.

Dan



You can't join the MHC on the ground.
User currently offlineDesertJets From United States of America, joined Feb 2000, 7772 posts, RR: 16
Reply 4, posted (10 years 7 months 9 hours ago) and read 1558 times:

My advice, don't make an investment just because you are an enthusiast of a given industry.

However if you and your broker's research indicate that such an investment would be wise then go ahead... but don't do it b/c you like airplanes.



Stop drop and roll will not save you in hell. --- seen on a church marque in rural Virginia
User currently offlineBackfire From Germany, joined Oct 2006, 0 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (10 years 7 months 8 hours ago) and read 1541 times:

Much of the above advice is exactly right - don't be foolish and invest simply because you like aviation. Airlines are a marginally-profitable business at the best of times, and these certainly aren't the best of times.

If I was to invest in aviation, I'd probably look at privatised airport companies. The airport operators normally turn in good profits, are more stable than airlines (you don't usually hear of airports going bust) and will benefit from any upturn in air transport as much as the airlines will.

Of course, if you'd rather gamble then go ahead and pour your money into an airline. But if you get burned, don't say we didn't tell you so...


User currently offlineNycfuturepilot From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 791 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (10 years 7 months 7 hours ago) and read 1532 times:

Fourstripe, I have been looking into investing in aviation and I reccomend that you hold on to your money (for now). I have had 2 good picks, Jetblue (JBLU) and Embraer (ERJ). Currently these are both falling and I have already taken my money out but plan to go back in once they level out. The only other aviation stock I would watch is Boeing because I think that it has some potential to rise. As for all of the rest of the airlines, they're too risky and I wouldnt touch them.


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User currently offlineJetboyTWA From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 389 posts, RR: 4
Reply 7, posted (10 years 7 months 7 hours ago) and read 1523 times:

Let me just say that I wish I invested in AA back in March, which their shares were in the 1.50-2.00/share range. I had planned to, but one of my professors advised against it. Today, they're up around $15.00 a share. Quite a return that would have been....

-Ryan


User currently offlineUAL747DEN From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 2392 posts, RR: 11
Reply 8, posted (10 years 7 months 6 hours ago) and read 1502 times:

I wouldn't put my money in JetBlue!!! Over the past couple of months they have made some not so wise decisions. AA is going to run them out of a couple of markets and that wont look good. I personally would put mine in F9, but again don't invest without doing a lot of research and don't do it just because you like airlines!!!!


/// UNITED AIRLINES
User currently offlineCOIAH99 From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 251 posts, RR: 5
Reply 9, posted (10 years 6 months 4 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 1474 times:

Definitely do some research...I was lucky enough to get some CO stock when it was around $3-4 a share and now it's around $17. Did get as high as I think $21 for a bit there. Good investment? Maybe. I still think it will get around $30/share. That's when I'll sell.


Work Hard Fly Right
User currently offlinePsa53 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 3058 posts, RR: 4
Reply 10, posted (10 years 6 months 4 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 1467 times:

Investing in airlines is very volatile.More than
most sectors,except retail.In my opinion,
Luv is the most safest,reports gains,time after
time.Amr and Dal, it's nervous time. Amr has done
well in cleaning house,and the stock reflects it, hovering
around 17.But it has a lot more work to do.So does Dal.

Sometimes, logic plays no factor!You can read all the reports you want.It doesn't help. If your a short term
investor,watch the pluses and minuses.

Luv had another gain and doesn't go anywhere
on the market.Go figure! It should be $30-40 a share.
The usual reaction on Wall Street, a company should gain
over a dollar in value a share for a day.WN/LUV high was about
+.57 after the report.That sucks!Tell me about logic.




Tuesday's Off! Do not disturb.
User currently offlineYyz717 From Canada, joined Sep 2001, 16248 posts, RR: 56
Reply 11, posted (10 years 6 months 4 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 1461 times:

I've invested in many airline stocks over the years...some I made money and some I lost big type. Easy come, easy go. Whatever.

Ironically, the best time to buy airline stocks was in the immediate post-911 period when they hit recent lows....since then the so-called AWST airline index has risen about 20% but still remains low by historical standards....but then so is airline financial performance.

Assuming that the majors will return to profitability and prosper again this decade, a good portfolio might consist of buying AA, CO, DL & NW stock now and hold for 5 years. I would avoid US & UA. JetBlue & Southwest may also not have that much upside potential.




Panam, TWA, Ansett, Eastern.......AC next? Might be good for Canada.
User currently offlineElwood64151 From United States of America, joined Feb 2002, 2477 posts, RR: 6
Reply 12, posted (10 years 6 months 4 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 1448 times:

The time to invest in airlines was sixteen months ago, back when AII was trading at just under $3 per share. I've seen it as high as $20.00, and it's presently trading around $14.00. AMR was below a dollar, and is now trading near $17.00. Northwest was around $10.00 and is now trading near $25.00.

The time to invest for the short-term has passed, and the industry is still too unstable to make a good long-term investment.

Right now, with the exception of US, which I'd call "sell", I'd call most airline stocks a "hold". Don't buy, don't sell. Check the projections for the end of next quarter, and if they look bad for your airline, sell your stock. If they look good, then I'd still call it a "hold".

But then, I'm not an investment banker.



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