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User currently offlineThaigold From Australia, joined Sep 2003, 315 posts, RR: 2
Posted (10 years 9 months 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 4762 times:

Gday

I just came across the fleet utilization data from the British Airways website and was wondering if these numbers are high or low.

Concorde (sadly no more): 1.6 hours/day on average per aircraft
747-400: 12.4
777-200A: 11.2
777-200IGW: 13.5
777-200ER: 12.2
767-300: longhaul 11.6 - shorthaul 6.6
757-200: 7.5
A320: 7.4
A319: 8.1
737-500: 8.0
737-400: 7.4
737-300: 8.0
ATR72: 7.5
RJ100: 6.7
Dash8: 8.0
ERJ145: 7.5

Does anyone have any information about other airlines? Which airline - apart from LCC's - would be better? To me it seems like the planes are on the ground for a very long time and I don't see why they couldn't be in the air a bit more??

Also what would an LCC's utilization be - I would expect quite a bit higher?

Thanks!



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User currently offlineConcordeBoy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (10 years 9 months 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 4664 times:

777-200IGW: 13.5
777-200ER: 12.2


How exactly are these being differentiated.... GE90 versus Trent800?


User currently offlineAir2gxs From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (10 years 9 months 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 4622 times:

I can't give you any concrete numbers, but for every hour an aircraft is in the air it requires "x" amount of hours for maintenance. Of course as the aircraft ages, it becomes more maintenance intensive. Also, technologically advanced aircraft spend more time on the ground at maintenance intervals because sometimes its harder to zero in on a problem because of systems intergration.

True, an aircraft is only making money in the air, and costing money on the ground. But, ground time, used correctly and efficiently should save you money.


User currently offlineThaigold From Australia, joined Sep 2003, 315 posts, RR: 2
Reply 3, posted (10 years 9 months 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 4533 times:

How exactly are these being differentiated.... GE90 versus Trent800?


777-200A are GE90-75B
777-200IGW are GE90-85B
777-200ER are Trent 895

Regards
Thaigold



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User currently offlineCanadaEH From Canada, joined Jul 2003, 1341 posts, RR: 4
Reply 4, posted (10 years 9 months 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 4503 times:

I think the daily utilization rate for a 737, on average (for a LCC) is somewhere around 10-16 hours a day. Newer aircraft also have a tendancy to operate even longer, sometimes as high as 20 hours a day. BA's 8 hour daily utilization rate pales in comparison...




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User currently offlineSyncmaster From United States of America, joined Jul 2002, 2038 posts, RR: 10
Reply 5, posted (10 years 9 months 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 4476 times:
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I don't know anything about the typical average of any of these planes, so I might be wrong, but don't these numbers, espcially the A320/319, 737's, and RJ's seem a little low?

User currently offlineConcordeBoy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (10 years 9 months 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 4424 times:

777-200A are GE90-75B
777-200IGW are GE90-85B
777-200ER are Trent 895


...and the GE90-90Bs? Grouped in with the 85s?


User currently offlineGreaser From Bahamas, joined Jan 2004, 1101 posts, RR: 4
Reply 7, posted (10 years 9 months 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 4391 times:

easyjet of UK says it has a turnover rate of 20 mins on good days, and this is hampered by late passengers only! Hard to believe, but true. I think Southwest and Jetblue have one of the highest fleet utilization rates and prob. the highest turnover rates


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User currently offlineVSGirl From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (10 years 9 months 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 4334 times:

I would say its up to the airline and schedule into how much they need their aircraft to fly.

I mean easyJet needs its aircraft in the sky to make their airline work, however airlines like Virgin Atlantic, BMi & British Airways its the schedule and on time 'ness' that’s the important thing.

I think to a degree most international large carriers will have a slightly lower utilization time then charter airlines or LCC's.

If you want to see high utilization times look at the British charter airlines during the summer months, such as MYT, BY & AMM.

Kimberly  Smile


User currently offlineInnocuousFox From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 2805 posts, RR: 14
Reply 9, posted (10 years 9 months 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 4261 times:

Keep in mind, the larger the aircraft, the longer the turnaround time. Also, on longer flights, you are limited by the DEP/ARR times... you can't just turn the plane and come back immediately. A lot of time, then, is spent waiting for the oportune time to depart.


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User currently offlineAlexG From Germany, joined Sep 2001, 95 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (10 years 9 months 1 day ago) and read 4189 times:

I'm not a pro within these terms, but what came to my mind:

- Only the aircraft costs themselves pay off the faster, the more hours the a/c is in the air (given some revenue on these flights). But fuel and crew costs, maintenance, landing fees are per-flight-values.

- Carriers which tend to keep their a/c for long time, may prefer to keep some life in them.

- The shorter the routes, the lower the utilization rate. But not all airlines are able to fly longer routes -- and I'll bet there are very lucrative short flights.

Regarding BA's commuter a/c, an utilization of 8 hours may not be THAT low, given that U.K. is not the size of the States...

Just my few cents... (too much work to be done here at home...  Laugh out loud )

AlexG


User currently offlineSrbmod From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (10 years 9 months 22 hours ago) and read 4119 times:

The best way to sum it up is this:

A plane doesn't make money when it's sitting on the ground!


User currently offlineThaigold From Australia, joined Sep 2003, 315 posts, RR: 2
Reply 12, posted (10 years 9 months 5 hours ago) and read 4049 times:

Well the above hours must also include the backup aircrafts, aircrafts for service etc.

In a fleet like BA's with over 300 aircrafts how many would be out of action at any time??? Is there a big difference between long and shorthaul aircraft?

Thanks!



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User currently offlineSwissgabe From Switzerland, joined Jan 2000, 5266 posts, RR: 33
Reply 13, posted (10 years 9 months ago) and read 3926 times:

I think their long-haul fleet has a pretty good "in air" time if around 11-12 hrs a day. Smaller jets have more rotations and more ground time due to that the turn around time on ground is much longer than long-haul planes.

I'm sure airlines using long-haul planes on short-haul flights (eg. Japan) have a more ground time and a lower air utilization time.



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User currently offlineCPDC10-30 From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2000, 4791 posts, RR: 23
Reply 14, posted (10 years 8 months 4 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 3905 times:

If I remember correctly Canada 3000 used to claim that they had the highest aircraft utilization rate of any airline in the world. A lot of good that did for them...  Smile/happy/getting dizzy The utilization on the A330-200s was around 16 hr/day.

User currently offlineUnited4ever From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 291 posts, RR: 2
Reply 15, posted (10 years 8 months 4 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 3866 times:

I would have thought that the charter carriers would have the greatest utilisation as they have the same kind of short turnrounds as the LCCs plus they fly at all sorts of hours - Even the LCCs would have a job filling a 4am flight.

Mike


User currently offlineInnocuousFox From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 2805 posts, RR: 14
Reply 16, posted (10 years 8 months 4 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 3793 times:

I've got the 1Q 2002 numbers sitting here on my desk. Per a/c type and per airline. I'm just not in the mood to type them all in.


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