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User currently offlineAvion346 From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 184 posts, RR: 1
Posted (10 years 9 months 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 2782 times:

Just curious as to why the 727 was retired when it was, while aircraft of equal age in design continue to operate on a daily basis (i.e. DC-9). I apologize if this was already discussed, but I did try several searches. People around here tend to bite heads off if a topic is repeated.....Heaven forbid!!  Insane

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User currently offlineKaiGywer From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 12255 posts, RR: 35
Reply 1, posted (10 years 9 months 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 2655 times:
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One more engine equals even more jetfuel burning. I guess that was part of the decision.


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User currently offlineBR715-A1-30 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (10 years 9 months 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 2618 times:

Not only was the engine a factor, but the 737-800 and A320 holds just as many people if not identical amount, and it requires one less flight crew member, and one less engine and is much more economical (Hence the reason why AA, CO, DL, and NW got rid of their 727s.

User currently offlineJeffrey1970 From United States of America, joined Apr 2001, 1336 posts, RR: 12
Reply 3, posted (10 years 9 months 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 2606 times:

Technically it is still flying. Pan Am has some 727's.

God bless through Jesus,

Jeff



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User currently offlineDeltaMD11 From United States of America, joined Dec 2002, 1701 posts, RR: 34
Reply 4, posted (10 years 9 months 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 2579 times:

The 727 (Queen of the Skies from where I'm sittin') is proving to be a very very viable cargo aircraft and we should expect to see them with cargo operators well into the 21st century. In terms of being a pax hauler---see the explanations above. Shame that such a wonderful aircraft is being removed from passenger service at the rate she is :'(


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User currently offlineBR715-A1-30 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (10 years 9 months 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 2546 times:

Also, you have to remember some airlines are dumping 727s, increasing frequencies to the airports and giving them RJs  Angry( I HATE RJs

User currently offlineJETPILOT From United States of America, joined May 1999, 3130 posts, RR: 29
Reply 6, posted (10 years 9 months 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 2560 times:

Stage 3 noise abatment issues and the cost to modify them to meet stage ushered in retirment.

Most hush kits for the 727 (except the Fed Ex hush kit) lowered the MGTOW and made it harder to profit with the 727 since it would now carry a smaller load.

The Fed Ex hush kit is about 7 mil per plane, and only the late model 727's were worth that investment.

JET


User currently offlineAvion346 From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 184 posts, RR: 1
Reply 7, posted (10 years 9 months 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 2460 times:

I though as much.

Thanks for all the explanations  Smile


User currently offlineLt-AWACS From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (10 years 9 months 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 2441 times:

moderate sidenote: What is the story with Don Trump's 727 (yes I did a search and got nada) I saw it tonight on his 'reality' TV show. It looked like it hada VS-??? reg. Just curious. thanks

The ANG has dumped their C-22s (727s) also.

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User currently offlineRayChuang From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 8018 posts, RR: 5
Reply 9, posted (10 years 9 months 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 2434 times:

Here's the primary reasons why the 727-200 was retired from service:

1. The life cycle of the airframe on many 722's are reaching way up there in terms of number of takeoffs and landings.

2. The 722 is far noiser and uses more fuel per seat-mile than the A320 and 737-800.

3. The 722 requires a third crew member, something that the A320 and 738 doesn't need.

The reason why Northwest (NW) managed to keep their DC-9 fleet in service was:

1. The fuel burn on a seat-mile basis was lower than the 727-200.

2. The planes are completely paid off, so no lease payments to contend with!

3. The planes underwent a major rebuild with 717-200-style new interiors and cockpit upgrades.

In short, NW will keep their DC-9 fleet going until the airframe life and/or the new ICAO Stage IV noise emission rules finally forces a phaseout.


User currently offlineUnited_Fan From United States of America, joined Nov 2000, 7506 posts, RR: 7
Reply 10, posted (10 years 9 months 4 days ago) and read 2366 times:


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User currently offlineCanadianNorth From Canada, joined Aug 2002, 3390 posts, RR: 9
Reply 11, posted (10 years 9 months 4 days ago) and read 2340 times:

Why was the 727 retired from so many fleets these days?

-Takes an extra crew member to operate = they gotta pay more people
-Burns more fuel = they need to pay for more fuel
-Needs more maintenance = adds cost
-Makes more noise = Hush kits are expensive and aint always worth it
-Many where getting on in years = every aircraft gets retired eventually
-Better a/c availible = A320s and 738s can do the job just as good if not better
-Makes a good cargo hauler = time to move on from the pax routes and into cargo


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User currently offlineDC3CV3407AC727 From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 314 posts, RR: 2
Reply 12, posted (10 years 9 months 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 2255 times:

Retire the 727? We are adding 727s At Champion! Six more airframes God's grace within the next few weeks!!! I love,We love the 727,3 holers rule!


the rumble of round engines is like music to me,likewise the thunder of thr JT8D
User currently offlinePatches From United States of America, joined Aug 2000, 293 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (10 years 9 months 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 2234 times:

can't they put a new glass cock-pit in those babys? update the engines. etc.

User currently offlineDC3CV3407AC727 From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 314 posts, RR: 2
Reply 14, posted (10 years 9 months 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 2217 times:

too much moola,and you still have 3 engines,and 3 crew, we still make a buck with them,but its with a stock ,steam guage cockpit,though blessed with GPS!


the rumble of round engines is like music to me,likewise the thunder of thr JT8D
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