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I Cannot Belive This TSA Mistake!  
User currently offlineUAL747DEN From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 2392 posts, RR: 11
Posted (10 years 7 months 20 hours ago) and read 4587 times:

Sorry if this was already posted ive been on here all day and havent seen anything about it!

DENVER – A woman traveling from New York to Denver on Spirit Airlines said she accidentally took a stun gun and knife onto the plane in her carry on bag, the airline and transportation security officials said.


The passenger boarded her flight in La Guardia, New York Saturday morning and was traveling through Detroit to Denver for a holiday.

While the plane was in the air, the passenger realized that she had the weapons in her purse, said Spirit Airlines spokeswoman Laura Bennett. Bennett said the woman voluntarily turned them over to a flight attendant.

At that point, security procedures required the pilot to radio the airport about the breach and the woman was taken into custody when the plane landed at DIA.

She was questioned and later released, the Transportation Security Administration said.

Other passengers on board Flight 1153 were bussed to the terminal and the plane was searched. It later was cleared and took of for Fort Lauderdale, Florida.

It is not clear why the weapons were not detected when the woman went through security at La Guardia airport.


(Copyright 2004 by 9NEWS KUSA-TV. All Rights Reserved)

The TSA should be punished and beat with a big stick!


/// UNITED AIRLINES
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User currently offlineXJRamper From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 2460 posts, RR: 51
Reply 1, posted (10 years 7 months 20 hours ago) and read 4456 times:

How can you miss something like a stun gun and a knife? I can see a small finger-nail sized blade but something that size. Unfortunately things like these show the TSA that there are still major flaws that need to be worked out of the system they use. I commend the TSA for what they have accomplished thus far but they have a long way to go in a short period of time.

Just my 2 pesos.

XJR



Look ma' no hands!
User currently offlineJeffrey1970 From United States of America, joined Apr 2001, 1336 posts, RR: 12
Reply 2, posted (10 years 7 months 20 hours ago) and read 4441 times:

That is very scary.

God bless through Jesus,

Jeff



God bless through Jesus, Jeff
User currently offline5T6 From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 283 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (10 years 7 months 20 hours ago) and read 4386 times:

Hi UAL747...

I think I said something along these lines on a different thread, but you have to remember that these TSA screeners are (at best) just one-half step above the "Would You Like Fries With That?" crowd. Not the sharpest knives in the drawer, for sure. I cringe at the fact that our airborne security is in the hands of these morons.  Nuts

It's quite obvious that the TSA wasn't doing their recruiting on college campuses. More than likely at the local unemployment office. Thus, you get what you pay for.

Regards,

Mike






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User currently offline737captain From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 120 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (10 years 7 months 20 hours ago) and read 4376 times:

I'm sorry but i go through security way too often to even be surprised that TSA did this, i know the rules and regs concerning airport security better than most of them do.
cheers  Smile



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User currently offlineBR715-A1-30 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (10 years 7 months 20 hours ago) and read 4356 times:

I agree, they probably went to the local unemployment office, told them what to do, gave them a shirt with a gold patch badge and said MINIMUM WAGE TO FIND WEAPONS, I even saw a TSA agent sleeping in GPT once.

User currently offlineUAL747DEN From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 2392 posts, RR: 11
Reply 6, posted (10 years 7 months 20 hours ago) and read 4362 times:

I have shared this story before and will do it again, I have a medical device implanted in my back therefore I do not go through the metal detector. When catching a flight at RSW I asked for a "pat down" rather than going through the detector and they pulled me aside. It was very busy and I had my 6 month old son with me, I was talked to for about 2 min then without even making me empty my pockets was told to have a good day and let go. Being that I was traveling with my son my pockets were FULL of junk and were bulging, and not even a question about it.............. Scary........


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User currently offlineScottysAir From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (10 years 7 months 20 hours ago) and read 4355 times:

Those are not good for the job with TSA and it should need get termination with their job. This is not very often to even be surprised that TSA will pulled off with the airports. It should need to get shutdown with TSA.

User currently offlineBobb From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 246 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (10 years 7 months 17 hours ago) and read 4141 times:

Just like any security measures, one should not be amazed if mistakes are made once in a while, am sure this is does not happend everyday. As mentioned, what expectation do you want with low pay, and a crappy job? If you enjoy going into other people's underwear, I salute you, and you must apply immediately!

All securities are multi-layer, to compesante for incidents like these and to throw the potential bad guy off. There are lots more happening behind the scene than the TSA guys you see.

So, don't sweat it. Be happy that at least the current batch of TSA people are more professional than the old airline's hired $5/hour, no benefit, spoke no english types.


User currently offlineTcfc424 From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 517 posts, RR: 2
Reply 9, posted (10 years 7 months 15 hours ago) and read 4046 times:

I agree that the TSA doesn't have the caliber of employees needed for such a job function, one has to look at two things. Q: What did we have before? A: Private, for-profit security agencies paying $6.50 an hour to 18-year olds and retirees just there to collect a paycheck. Q: What do we have now? A: Federal employees, receiving Federal benefits, but still only making $8.50 an hour. (Here in AUS, that is well below the poverty level...AUS minimum wage has estimated to be $9-10)

Someone said that they definitely weren't recruiting on college campuses. You're right! College students take economics...Hmmm $10/hour to flip burgers or $8.50/hr to have every swinging Tom Dick and Harry complain that you are not needed, you are undereducated, and stupid. Let me think...I'll take the job at McD's! It all comes down to pay. If the Federal government pays more, they'll get better applicants, but then the liberals would complain that GWB is being irresponsible on fiscal policy.

If you are not willing to offer a workable solution, don't complain. If you don't vote, you have not right to complain. It's that simple.


User currently offlineHlywdCatft From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 5321 posts, RR: 6
Reply 10, posted (10 years 7 months 15 hours ago) and read 4022 times:

Because as this woman was going through security, the "Thousands Standing Around" were doing just that... goofing off on the job, talking about who is gonna win the superbowl next week, talking about where they are going to blow their checks which they are paid too high on coming out of our tax dollars.


**As mentioned, what expectation do you want with low pay, and a crappy job?**

Bobb, their starting pay is $14 an hour and they got good benefits too. Supervisors are making $18 an hour. Tell me how many jobs where you don't need a college degree or a special skill/trade/license are paying $14 an hour with benefits? For that kind of pay, they need to be on the ball and mistakes need to be very minimal if not ever. It seems like everyday we are hearing something new about the TSA. These guys are worse than the people they replaced and our taxes didn't have to pay for them.

Bush needs to fire Tom Ridge and the whole TSA needs to be torn down and rebuilt.


User currently offlineUsnseallt82 From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 4891 posts, RR: 52
Reply 11, posted (10 years 7 months 15 hours ago) and read 4002 times:

Actually, you'd be surprised how many things get past TSA. But it shouldn't be grounds for scrapping the whole system...just some modifications. I think 20/20 did a special not too long about the flaws in the system, subsequently sneaking 20-30 banned items beyond the security perimeter...ranging anywhere from a small knife to a larger 9mm pistol.

I commend this woman for realizing what she had done and speaking up about it...though I would inspect her own competence a little more. I'm not sure how I would forget to clear my bag these days, especially from weapons such as that. But that's just me.  Big thumbs up

Cheers!



Crye me a river
User currently offlineElwood64151 From United States of America, joined Feb 2002, 2477 posts, RR: 6
Reply 12, posted (10 years 7 months 15 hours ago) and read 3975 times:

More than likely at the local unemployment office.

Not everyone who collects unemployment is a moron. Further, in a city like New York City or Los Angeles, $14 an (which is the last number I was aware of TSA security screeners earning) hour isn't a whole lot of money (unless you're also making tips). Taxes, rent, utilities and car insurance eat up your disposable income quickly. Hence, few people are willing to work jobs that pay so "little".

In contrast, in Kansas City, you can live quite comfortably for $10.14 an hour living by yourself (I should know, I did it!). My rent was $400 a month for about 600 square feet. My sister in Rancho Cucamonga, outside LA, pays almost $1000 for the same thing. My car insurance was low (liability: $350 every six months; full coverage: $775 every six months), and I was 21 when I moved here to CT. The list goes on and on.



Back to the original post, this is another example, I think, of why they should have kept the people who were working at the checkpoints where they were (barring felony convictions or illegal status, of course). The people who replaced them, IMHO, have no idea what is going on. No education can replace experience. Dropping someone with 15 years on the job simply because they don't have a diploma is stupid.

And I'm going to say it again: Security did NOT fail on 9/11. The items on board were allowed under the FARs at the time. Every change in airline security has been an exercise in hubris and hyperbole, with the exception of checked-baggage screening. That is the only change I believe ever made sense.



Those who fail to learn history are doomed to repeat it in summer school.
User currently offlineUa777222 From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 3348 posts, RR: 11
Reply 13, posted (10 years 7 months 15 hours ago) and read 3963 times:

I think that the airline should do something about it instead of leaving it in the hands of the illpropaired screener. I don't know if this was the airline or the airport but on my UAL flight from AMS-IAD they had all of us take off our shoes and open our bags like normally and then they had all the passengers (everyone in the airport not just my flight) have a hand searched metal detector. Then before even being allowed to sit at the glassed in gate they had yet another checkpoint at the doorway of the gate but had the UAL people running it. While you were being asked ?'s like whats your address and how long have you been here and whats your S.S. # and passport # they took your bags, iPod, pens, wallet, etc. and hand searched them and ran them through the X-Ray. This not only made sure that people were double checked but also took some of the fear out of the passengers. The pilots and crew even had to go through it. I didn't see this at every gate.

UA777222

Side note: The A/C was the old logo jet for UAL and man did that plane suck. Oh well I personally think that they logo jet should be a 777-222 being that they are one if not the largest 777 operator.



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User currently offlineBobb From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 246 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (10 years 7 months 13 hours ago) and read 3874 times:

Well, sorry to hear the TSA at your airport are so poor.

I for one like the TSA in my area. I work with them, so I know. Go ahead strike a conversation with them. The ones at my airport are high tech layoff with degrees and prenty good brushed up on their customer service skills.

In contrast before 911, the old screeners at my airports were recent imigrants who spoke very little english and had zero personality, forget about customer service skills.

It's easy to spot mistakes when you think the TSA should be operating like the SWAT team (they are not). My experience is just better than yours I guess.


User currently offlineTcfc424 From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 517 posts, RR: 2
Reply 15, posted (10 years 7 months 13 hours ago) and read 3814 times:

Just curious, where did you come up with $14/hour and $18/hour? Can you post the link?

User currently offlineUshermittwoch From Germany, joined Jan 2004, 2965 posts, RR: 16
Reply 16, posted (10 years 7 months 11 hours ago) and read 3659 times:

The only thing I can say about this is: Not surprised.
But I don't want to specifically bash the TSA although they did LOSE some of my property last time they were screening my things.
It can happen in any country. Our airport security in Germany isn't all too sharp either.



Where have all the tri-jets gone...
User currently offlineBR715-A1-30 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 17, posted (10 years 7 months 10 hours ago) and read 3610 times:

I will vouch that TSA Agents are better, because when we had ITS in GPT, they were HORRIBLE. Speakie De English?

User currently offlineNoUFO From Germany, joined Apr 2001, 7949 posts, RR: 12
Reply 18, posted (10 years 7 months 8 hours ago) and read 3494 times:

Ok, this is human imperfection. Things like that must not happen but certainly can nevertheless. Everyone knows that there is no such thing like 100% safety.
Here is a completely different, but equally scary story:

http://www.nytimes.com/2004/01/21/nyregion/21detain.html

This is even worse, I think, because so many people got involved into this, not only one screener who may have had trouble with his wife or whatever.



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User currently offlineHlywdCatft From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 5321 posts, RR: 6
Reply 19, posted (10 years 7 months 6 hours ago) and read 3352 times:

**Just curious, where did you come up with $14/hour and $18/hour? Can you post the link?**

When I was still living in Detroit, I was thinking about applying for them. They were just starting to set up in DTw then. Some of the TSA top dogs were there from Washington checking the place out and a few of us were asking questions to them. They said that at least at DTW they would be getting hired in at $14 and managers would be making $18. I don't know if the pay scale is the same across the board, or if it is different at different airports. It would be no fair for people at places like DTW, ORD, JFK to be making the same at much less busy places like OMA, TVC etc


User currently offlineUAL747DEN From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 2392 posts, RR: 11
Reply 20, posted (10 years 7 months 1 hour ago) and read 3150 times:

The airlines already pay for security at the airport its called the TSA! The screeners are not there to talk to about the superbowl and I do not care about there customer service skills, they are there to protect me and make sure that nothing gets through that shouldn't. I don't want an agent to talk to me about anything besides security, if they do there wasting my tax dollars and they need to be fired. If someone could make a robot to do their job I would be all for it!


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User currently offlineCALMSP From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 3936 posts, RR: 7
Reply 21, posted (10 years 7 months 1 hour ago) and read 3135 times:
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I'm not shocked at all that they missed this. Low Lifes.


okay, I'm waiting for the rich to spread the wealth around to me. Please mail your checks to my house.
User currently offlineDavid b. From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 3148 posts, RR: 5
Reply 22, posted (10 years 7 months 1 hour ago) and read 3052 times:

Airport security is next to nothing. Going to LAX and returning to LGA last week was a piece of cake. They never scanned my shoes, patted anyone down or anything. Just stepped throught a metal dector.

Plastic explosives and other things that are small enough to be hidden is shoes can be bought on a plane with ease. Personally, airport security after 9/11 is no better then what is was before.



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User currently offlineEsajh From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 39 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (10 years 7 months 1 hour ago) and read 2991 times:

Part time screeners receive between $11.30 to $16.96 an hour. They get an over-ride based upon location (meaning a guy in LAX makes more than a guy in ICT.)

http://www.tsa.gov/public/display?theme=44&content=701

But here is the big thing for those who say the system is flawed and all the rest. Will you try to take a gun or a knife through security? Here are some figures on what gets caught. “Since February 2002, [this was in March 11, 2003] TSA screeners confiscated 1.4 million knives, 2.4 million sharp objects, 1,101 guns, 15,666 clubs, more than 125,000 incendiary items and nearly 40,000 box cutters. “ This was only one year!

http://www.cnn.com/2003/TRAVEL/03/10/airport.security.ap/

Do you want to try and take something through? If you get caught folks you are going to have a very long (and possibly costly) day. That woman that turned it in still had to spend some time with the authorities. They knew she had no plans to use them since she didn’t use them and turned them in. If you get caught at security, they don’t know that and you are in for a long time. Want to try guys?

A person intent on breaking security is not going to use this method since they now know it is extremely likely they would get caught. The deterrent factor to the terrorist is there and for that the system works in this area. The area it does not work is much for frightening than this I can tell you!


User currently offlineGoboeing From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 2693 posts, RR: 15
Reply 24, posted (10 years 7 months 1 hour ago) and read 2963 times:

I passed through a TSA checkpoint on a flight last month with a knife and they didn't know about it. I checked that particular bag in but only realized there was a "weapon" in it after we boarded. The point is, they wanted to confiscate my fingernail clippers but failed to identify the knife right next to it.

Nick


25 Amhilde : Actually, i heard a radio ad last week ( god knows why i was listening to the radio here in Reno, because I never do- mustve been in a car or somethin
26 MD11Engineer : I know that the German security checkers get tested by plain clothes Federal border police officers, who pose as passengers and try to smuggle weapons
27 Jhooper : The FAA also had agents that did that well prior to 9/11. The detection rate was definitely unacceptably low. I haven't seen the recent numbers for TS
28 Adria : Iz looks like they haven't learned much since 2001.
29 Bobb : UAL747DEN: You sound like the sort of passenger whom because you PAID for your ticket, now demands for 100% of what's worth of your bills. The Real Wo
30 Jhooper : Really, I do believe a lot of you don't have enough respect for TSA, but the reality is, unless you are in the industry, YOU KNOW VERY LITTLE of what
31 Esajh : Folks it is real simple and you can put this thread to rest. You have either 100% success or something less. It is one or the other and nothing in bet
32 Post contains images 5T6 : Esajh, you bring up many good points...and state a lot of impressive figures and percentages. BUT, as jhooper said, this was not an undetected set of
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