Maiznblu_757 From United States of America, joined Mar 2002, 5112 posts, RR: 50 Posted (10 years 7 months 3 weeks 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 3833 times:
I know Grand Rapids needs to expand before it could support any new airlines, but, how well do you think F9 would do with a couple daily GRR-DEN flights? There are no nonstop flights west of DFW/MSP from Grand Rapids. This might open things up to the west.
UAL would also do well I think. They already serve GRR with a mix of A319/A320/737's to ORD.
Tan flyr From United States of America, joined Aug 2000, 1908 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (10 years 7 months 3 weeks 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 3695 times:
As a former midwest native, I seem to recall that UA had nonstops to DEN from a lot of cities around the Great Lakes,ie: FWA,SBN, TOL and I think GRR at one time.
Seems to me that an opportunity exists here for RJ's to DEN particularly now with the restictions at ORD. However AA seems to have thought of this first with its RJ's to DFW from a number of these locations.
Access-Air From United States of America, joined Sep 2000, 1939 posts, RR: 12
Reply 3, posted (10 years 7 months 3 weeks 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 3690 times:
It all depends.
Back in the day, before airlines went hub and spoke crazy, United flew "big" 727s and 737s from cities such as Moline, South Bend, Ft. Wayne, etc.. out to Denver. A 1979 UAL timetable shows such flights... Most people hate changing planes thru Ohare and if GRR had a nonstop link to Denver via Frontier using their new regional partner it just might work.
UA has biggger fish to fry I'm not so sure that Jet Blue would go there...
Just my opinion....
Capt078 From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 421 posts, RR: 1
Reply 4, posted (10 years 7 months 3 weeks 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 3662 times:
i think the only chance would be an rj flight to a western city. aa flies erj's to dfw, and continental flies the erj-145xr to houston. the problem of course, is that there is not much of a call for nonstops to the west from grand rapids. northwest has 8 or 9 frequencies all through the mcnamara terminal at detroit connecting with dozens of western flights. add to this connections through msp, mem, ord (aa and ual), mdw (ata), stl and dfw (aa), cle, ewr, and iah (continental), atl and cvg (delta), pit (us), and mke (midwest), and these pretty much satisfy demand. furthermore, grand rapids sees much less mainline traffic than it used to. continental, aa, us airways, ata, and midwest all use regionals, delta uses regionals and one 737-200, ual uses mainly crj's and bae-146s, along with two 737s, and even northwest runs a couple arj's to detroit.
the best argument for the need for western nonstops is the overcapacity at chicago. however, whether or not this will result in western nonstops is in question.
SprxflySWA From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 597 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (10 years 7 months 3 weeks 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 3556 times:
I would think a nonstop to Las Vegas would be the most likely of routes.
As for old mainline flights, I was looking at a July 1,1970 United timetable, and from Youngstown,OH (YNG), they had: 4 NONSTOPS all the way to Akron/Canton (CAK),2 nonstops to ORD,3 nonstops to Newark (EWR),1 n/s to Philadelphia,and 5 nonstops to Pittsburgh.
CALMSP From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 3968 posts, RR: 7
Reply 14, posted (10 years 7 months 3 weeks 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 3451 times:
i dont think F9 would fly to DTW first, why jump into a market and compete with two major airlines. If they fly into GRR they will not have competition with anyone, all they will have is steal people from UAL, since most pax of UAL flights seem to be going to DEN.
okay, I'm waiting for the rich to spread the wealth around to me. Please mail your checks to my house.
Wedgetail737 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 5910 posts, RR: 6
Reply 21, posted (10 years 7 months 3 weeks 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 3412 times:
Send a letter to the CEO of WN and see what he has to say. I used to do that when I was younger about OAK. Sometimes it's interesting what they have to say. ICT has been trying for years to woo WN in. But it can barely support F9 (sort of) and FL as it is.
With a population of 300,000, it doesn't meet WN's population base and I personally don't think it could support WN.
Wmupilot From United States of America, joined Jan 2003, 1473 posts, RR: 12
Reply 24, posted (10 years 7 months 3 weeks 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 3366 times:
Yes, the only LCC service to/from GRR is Chicago Express (dba ATA Connection). Chicago Express doesn't have the maintenance base at GRR anymore. The base was moved to SBN once the new SF340's came online. I have a feeling that the next possible LCC you will see in GRR is Jet Blue. AirTran would be competing head-to-head with Delta. Really no big competition with ATA. It maybe some time before you see Southwest in GRR, if ever. On average 400,000 passengers use GRR to travel a month. The metro population of western michigan is about 700,000 people. That includes Ottawa, Kent, and Allegan County.
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: As far as I can see, WN is NOT coming to GRR anytime soon. We're smacked between MDW and DTW, and until this is such a thing as Southwest Express (whi
: **i dont think F9 would fly to DTW first, why jump into a market and compete with two major airlines. If they fly into GRR they will not have competit
: look at bmi,,,,didnt bmi biz people get together and pony up some cash for f9 to do bmi-den...1 stop in oma ...but it beats going to ord or stl.....mo
: Venus, I dont think anyone in here expects SWA will be serving GRR anytime soon. So, you are not special in that regard. I could see F9 or UAL flying
: I keep seeing comments from F9 CEO Jeff Potter about wanting to serve DTW, BOS and, on occasion, PIT. I don't see DEN-GRR, except for regional jet ser
: I can also confirm an email from JetBlue about GRR being a possible new route...probably not until the E190's start coming in, I don't see a profitabl