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What To Expect When Flying With Air Canada & LOT?  
User currently offlineWarszawa From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 727 posts, RR: 6
Posted (10 years 7 months 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 6685 times:

Hi all,

I previously posted " http://www.airliners.net/discussions/general_aviation/read.main/1365354/ "

About what airline to choose.

Well icelandair was a 2nd option, but due to so many connections and all i just decided to take it easy. I could have waited maybe i'd get a better fare, but ehh, i'd rather be safe than gamble.

I booked with Air Canada. It was actually $659 for DTW-YYZ, YYZ-LHR and back, and then i went on LOT's website and booked LHR-WAW-RZE and back for $197 roundtrip ( Very cheap! ).

I was curious what type of service i should expect? Here are the aircrafts im flying:

DTW-YYZ = Air Canada Jazz Dash 8 DH-8
YYZ-LHR = Air Canada 767-300ER
LHR-WAW = LOT Polish 737-500
WAW-RZE = LOT Polish ATR-72
and back is the exact same, will be flying in June.

What service should i expect with Air Canada? Mostly concerned with them... How are the 767s? Seats good/comfortable? In flight entertainment any good? Are they usually on time, delayed, are the crews friendly usually, how good is the food? I've never flown with them so i really have no idea.

And i did try to get on an A330-300 Air Canada but unfortunately it was $110 more whether i flew one YYZ-LHR or back.

How's Toronto? Good airport to fly out of? Dash 8's any good? ( Noisy? I've never flown on a turboprop, flown on Piper Warrior II's before single engine props and damn those our loud, i hope these turboprops arnt like that! )

Any comments would be greatly appreciated. Thanks!



Flying a plane is no diff. from riding a bicycle. Its just a lot harder to put baseball cards in the spokes. -'Airplane'
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User currently offlineCarfield From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 1914 posts, RR: 9
Reply 1, posted (10 years 7 months 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 6593 times:

Well, Toronto is a rather troublesome airport to connect from a transborder to an international flight. You are required to clear immigration and customs at Toronto, before heading back to the international concourse. I will allow at least two hours at Toronto, and three hours on the way back, as you will have to clear USA INS and custom at YYZ.

Service wise -- AC's Jazz is just a regional flight with a beverage and maybe a bag of pretzels.

On the transatlantic flight, you will get a warm dinner after takeoff and a breakfast snack prior to arrival. On the return to YYZ, you will get a lunch after takeoff, ice-cream during midflight, and a pizza snack prior to arrival. Seats are okay... 32" for Boeing 767-300ERs. No PTVs at AC, but movies will be shown throughout the flight. No amenity kit -- F/A service is a hit or miss -- most likely not too pleasant.

Have a safe flight!

Carfield


User currently offlineDanny From Poland, joined Apr 2002, 3509 posts, RR: 2
Reply 2, posted (10 years 7 months 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 6587 times:

Wouldn't it be better to take direct flight YYZ-WAW? Anyway LOT on european routes is good. Expect really good food. On ATR only Snack and drink.

User currently offlineCodeshare From Poland, joined Sep 2002, 1854 posts, RR: 1
Reply 3, posted (10 years 7 months 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 6566 times:

The LHR flights just got cheaper in LOT. They are now below 100 USD without taxes. So you might want to look there as an option.


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User currently offlineSafeFlyer From Canada, joined Jan 2001, 627 posts, RR: 5
Reply 4, posted (10 years 7 months 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 6476 times:

When you travel to YYZ in June, T-New will be open so you'll pass through the brand-new terminal, but your arrival will be in T2, the terminal AC uses for domestic and transborder services. There's a shuttle bus that currently runs between T1 and T2 as well as an underground tunnel but that may change when T-New opens (the fellow Torontonians will answer this better than me). I've never flown on a Dash-8 so I really can't tell you about the flight but Jazz's service normally includes a beverage service and If you're lucky, a bag of pretzels, nuts or sesame bites. The international 763s used on the LHR runs should be pretty comfy with a standard 32-33" seat pitch depending on the row you're in. Having personally flown on one recently, try to call AC to pre-select your seat (or call back If you already have done so) and ask for row 17 or 18 (exit rows, pitch around 36-37"). Crews on intl flights are professional but not always friendly but I found out that the "sky hags" as some people like to call them are often the most friendly and ready to help. Flights generally on time and the food pretty decent.

As for LOT, I really don't know about them.

Regards, SafeFlyer


User currently offlineFLYACYYZ From Canada, joined Jan 2004, 1914 posts, RR: 12
Reply 5, posted (10 years 7 months 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 6445 times:

WARSZAWA

If you're flying in June, there are usually five flights per day operating YYZLHR.

AC868 The Daytripper @ 0900 B767-300
AC856 @ 1815 A330-300 or B747-400C
AC866 @ 1915 A330-300 or B767-300
AC848 @ 2015 A330-300 or B747-400C
AC858 @ 2355 B767-300

Couple of choices if you're looking for something bigger than the B763. Equipment varies on some flights depending on the day of operation.

Hospitality Class (Economy-Coach) in final stages of enhanced/energized product. Should be in place by June.

You may want to compare flying ex YQG (Windsor) across the river as an alternative to DTW. Often with the price being based in CAD$, given the exchange there might be a cost savings. Flights ex YQG much more frequent, resulting in better choice of connections. Also on DASH-8's. No more pretzels. Either sesame mix, otsunami japanese rice cracker mix, cookies and bar/bev on the 40 min flight.



Above and Beyond
User currently offlineWarszawa From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 727 posts, RR: 6
Reply 6, posted (10 years 7 months 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 6420 times:

Hi all,

Thanks for all the responses. Well i looked at all possible prices and options, believe me. Flying LOT from the USA on LOT's 763's is quite expensive right now ( They might have deals but i dont know, plus i like connecting through LHR ).

I already booked so i cant really change anything...

But anyways, SafeFlyer thanks for the info about the new Terminal. Should be pretty cool.

FLYACYYZ, Thanks for the info, Man i just couldent get the A333 though, even though i wanted it bad, the representative on the phone with Air Canada said that the A330 flights were more full than the 767 flights, therefor they were charging more.

Here are my flight #'s:

Air Canada Jazz = 7996, Aircraft = DH8 Dash 8, DTW-YYZ
Air Canada = 866, Aircraft = 767-300ER, YYZ-LHR
LOT Polish = 282, Aircraft = 737-500, LHR-WAW
EUROLOT Polish = 3805, Aircraft = ATR-72, WAW-RZE
---Way Back ---
EUROLOT Polish = 3802, Aircraft = ATR-72, RZE-WAW
LOT Polish = 285, Aircraft = 737-500, WAW-LHR
Air Canada = 869, Aircraft = 767-300ER, LHR-YYZ
Air Canada Jazz = 7995, Aircraft = DH8 Dash 8, YYZ-DTW


Based on your info FLYACYYZ, on that Air Canada 866 flight, Even though im scheduled for the 763, do you think its possible i might get an A330 as a replacement aircraft? I kind of hope I do and i kind of hope i dont. The lady i talked to on the phone with Air Canada said its possible, but if it does, all the seat selections will be wiped out ( And i'll be severely ticked if i dont get a window seat if this happens! hehe ).

Quick question for those who've flown the 767 and A330's. I've been told A330's are quiet planes inside. Is the 767 a quiet plane? Like, If i flew on a 767, would it be more loud than an A330? Or probably the same? Just wondering cause that is one of my concerns. I flew a CO 737-300 IAH-DTW one time and that thing was damn loud as hell ( Surprinsing for a 737 i know, it seemed deafening, sounded like an MD-80's interior sounds or something ). I just hope its not as loud as that, it'll be hard to rest, LOL.



Flying a plane is no diff. from riding a bicycle. Its just a lot harder to put baseball cards in the spokes. -'Airplane'
User currently offlineWarszawa From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 727 posts, RR: 6
Reply 7, posted (10 years 7 months 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 6382 times:

Forgot to mention, i did pick seats already on the phone with AC while booking, here they are:

Jazz Flight DTW-YYZ = 1A ( LOL this plane was COMPLETELY empty when booking! )

AC 763 YYZ-LHR = 32A
AC 763 LHR-YYZ = 35K

Jazz Flight YYZ-DTW = 7D ( I could have gotten row 1 but i figured why not try the rear of the plane on the Dash 8. Front one way, rear other, hehe. , once again, this flight was COMPLETELY empty too when booking ).

All are window seats  Big grin

On the LOT flights, there was no option to select seats. I'll get them assigned at checkin. However, im pretty confident i might get a 735 window seat both ways, and especially on the ATR too.



Flying a plane is no diff. from riding a bicycle. Its just a lot harder to put baseball cards in the spokes. -'Airplane'
User currently offlineWarszawa From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 727 posts, RR: 6
Reply 8, posted (10 years 7 months 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 6333 times:

Can anyone answer me the questions about the possible substitution of the 767 for an A330?

How about the 767 being louder than an A330 question? Is it a lot louder or... Would I barely notice? I was told the A330/A340 are very quiet planes while in the cabin during flight.

I have NWA A333's flying over my house at about 18000 feet on the DTW-AMS route, its hard to spot them because I don't hear them, all I see is just a plane climbing ( And im spot them through 8x binoc's ), while with 744's and 742's, I hear those quiet easily, and I believe the 744s have the same type engines of the 767. I also sometimes see the Lufthansa A340 DTW-FRA and that too is a very quiet climber but its harder to spot as its more far east while the NWA333's to AMS always fly right over my house.

So is the 767 substantially louder?



Flying a plane is no diff. from riding a bicycle. Its just a lot harder to put baseball cards in the spokes. -'Airplane'
User currently offline9V-SVC From Singapore, joined Oct 2001, 1797 posts, RR: 10
Reply 9, posted (10 years 7 months 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 6291 times:

I fly on both B767 and A330 and I definately prefer the A330 . I find the A330 RR-powered pretty quiet and powerful but 767 is not a bad plane.

Anyway, unless there is a tech problem with the 767, I doubt they will change to the 330. Good luck to you on that one, who knows you might get an A340 instead ? Dont ruled that out. Big grin



Airliners is the wings of my life.
User currently offlineAC345 From Canada, joined Jan 2004, 197 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (10 years 7 months 22 hours ago) and read 6265 times:

Last AC trip I took from YYZ to MUC was on a 767-300ER. The flight itself was really smooth and quiet, service was a bit slow and rather careless, overall an ok trip. Like somebody else already said, service is hit and miss, I wouldn't worry much about that. Ask when you check in for those good seats on row 17 or 18, with lots of legroom.

User currently offlineWarszawa From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 727 posts, RR: 6
Reply 11, posted (10 years 7 months 16 hours ago) and read 6205 times:

Hi all,

Thanks for your replies! 9V-SVC you make me want to try the A330 more now, LOL! Maybe theres a way. Lets hope i have a chance of getting on an A330/A340/744 as a possible substitution, that'd be sweet.

"Last AC trip I took from YYZ to MUC was on a 767-300ER. The flight itself was really smooth and quiet, service was a bit slow and rather careless, overall an ok trip. Like somebody else already said, service is hit and miss, I wouldn't worry much about that"

Ah yeah, nothing major for me about the service part, i was just wondering what to expect. Seems like it is a nice shot or a miss.

But anyways, thanks all for the excellent replies! Really appreciate it.

[ Eagerly awaits his trip ] hehe



Flying a plane is no diff. from riding a bicycle. Its just a lot harder to put baseball cards in the spokes. -'Airplane'
User currently offlineFLYACYYZ From Canada, joined Jan 2004, 1914 posts, RR: 12
Reply 12, posted (10 years 7 months 14 hours ago) and read 6166 times:

WARSZAWA:

Check back with AC RES sometime in early March. Fleet finalization for the summer should be done by then.

Based on last years schedule AC866 was always a 330. Daily. Given the shortage of 763's this year, would be surprised if it was allocated for this flight.

AC869 has always been a B763. Try and get a seat in the B Cabin rows 12-17. Just a little more private/quieter.

You may get lucky and have one of each aircraft for your trip. B763's are fine to fly on, A330's are super comfortable and very quiet.

AC RES will not contact you if there is an equipment change on your flight. They simply reallocate your seat. They only contact you if there is a schedule change (time), delay or cancellation.

Bon Voyage!!



Above and Beyond
User currently offlineWarszawa From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 727 posts, RR: 6
Reply 13, posted (10 years 7 months 10 hours ago) and read 6097 times:

FLYACYYZ,

Thanks for the info. Its nice to know that the 866 was always an A330. According to the schedule for the date im flying, the 1815 = A330, the 1915 ( One im flying ) = 763, 2015 = A330. Damn, right around the A330's, lol but i couldent get either one unless i paid over $100 more for the ticket.

As far as AC869 the 12-17 are booked. I think everything is booked up to row 19 or 20 if i can remember correctly.

Good idea on calling AC Reservations. I'll call every 2-3 weeks just to make sure everythings going according to how its planned. Last thing i'd want is an A330 substitution for the 763 ( Which is nice ) but getting stuck sitting in the middle of the plane with no window seat. Devastating for someone with an interest in aviation, im sure mose airliners.net people can contest to that LOL. So if the A330 does happen lets say in 2-3 months they cancel out the 763 for AC866 and put an A330 on the route, maybe i'll have a choice of getting a window seat if things get scrambled.

Would be sweet if i had the A330 subbing for the 763 on AC866, the seats were scrambled, and then they reassigned me first row in Coach, now that'd be awesome! But i guess luck is the main factor that plays into it.

We'll see i guess. Thanks for the info though really appreciate it!




Flying a plane is no diff. from riding a bicycle. Its just a lot harder to put baseball cards in the spokes. -'Airplane'
User currently offlineDgeHfx From Canada, joined May 2001, 132 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (10 years 7 months 2 hours ago) and read 6047 times:

As most travellers are aware, there is a possibility of an overbooking on a flight especially during high (summer) season. If you're keen to try the A330 you might want to consider volunteering at check-in for a later (A330) flight. There is sometimes financial or other consideration for volunteers. Of course, this might create a problem for your connecting flight in LHR.

User currently offlineNorthStarDC4M From Canada, joined Apr 2000, 3005 posts, RR: 37
Reply 15, posted (10 years 6 months 4 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 6014 times:
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Well i can answer your question on the Dash 8...

1A is probably a bad seat, most of the Jazz Dash 8-100s have a small bulkhead there and almost 0 legroom. If the flight is empty though you can switch to 1B which is much more comfortable.

However, if you DO get an A330 at any point, ask for seats 31A/C/H/K, all these have excellent legroom (4/5 FEET). As for the 767-300, id agree with FLYACYYZ, the B Cabin is your best bet, especially considering all the variations in exit rows in the fleet now.



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User currently offlineWarszawa From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 727 posts, RR: 6
Reply 16, posted (10 years 6 months 4 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 5976 times:

" There is sometimes financial or other consideration for volunteers. Of course, this might create a problem for your connecting flight in LHR. "

Hmm thats true. But the thing that would suck is if i didnt get a window seat on the A330 flight, but i could always ask before accepting an offer.

The LHR-WAW flight on LOT in the 737-500 departs at 10:40am, i think the last A330 flight from YYZ arrives at 8:15am or somewhere around there. My 763 flight arrives at 7:30am.

" 1A is probably a bad seat, most of the Jazz Dash 8-100s have a small bulkhead there and almost 0 legroom. If the flight is empty though you can switch to 1B which is much more comfortable.
"

Actually im flying with another person, which i put them in 1B, hehe. How about Row 7CD? I booked 7CD on the YYZ-DTW flight.

Also guys, i noticed while looking through some pics on airliners.net of the Dash8-100 AC JAZZ planes, it looks like some parts of the planes where you'd normally have window seats, theres no window there.

Does anyone know what seats those are on the dash8 that might not have a window seat ( even though you sit next to the wall )? Have a look at these pics to see what i mean:


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It appears that some seats, that should have a window, dont. Cant really tell for sure though. For those that have flown this type, is this true?



Flying a plane is no diff. from riding a bicycle. Its just a lot harder to put baseball cards in the spokes. -'Airplane'
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