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User currently offlineVIAF From Brazil, joined Jan 2004, 196 posts, RR: 6
Posted (10 years 8 months 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 1783 times:

Concorde experts,please help me!

Was this livery a part of a Code share agreement?

How long this paint scheme was on the plane?

And finally flown this aircraft to regular to Singapore those days?

Thanks for any infos!!!!


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User currently offlineShamrock_747 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (10 years 8 months 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 1731 times:

I'm no expert, but I can answer your question! British Airways and Singapore Airlines had an alliance/codshare arrangement on the LHR-BAH-SIN Concorde route. Concorde G-BOAD (registered G-N94AD becuase it was also used for IAD-DFW Braniff flights) was painted with SQ livery on one side. The flights to SIN had BA pilots and half the cabin crew were from BA, whilst the other half from SQ. The route started and operated for a few months before being stopped due to political reasons and problems with supersonic flight over the desert. Eventually the flights restarted but they didn't last long.

I'm sure some people on here will be able to provide dates and more information.


User currently offlineGDB From United Kingdom, joined May 2001, 13208 posts, RR: 77
Reply 2, posted (10 years 8 months 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 1716 times:

BA always intended to operate Concorde on the 'Kangaroo Route' between the UK and Australia.
On entering service in Jan 1976, Concorde was not allowed in US airspace, so AF went to Rio via Dakar, BA to Bahrain.

From May 1976 both carriers started 3xweekly services to IAD, however the real prize, JFK was to elude them until November 1977 when a long legal and political battle went in their favour.
With Concordes immediate future now secure, BA turned again to the far east.

However, it became clear that supercruise, even over the largely deserted expanse of the outback was not going to happen, at least for regular scheduled flights.
But starting in December 1977, BA started 3xweekly services to SIN via Bahrain, the aircraft that started this route, G-BOAD, had SIA titles on the left side, BA on the right, 50% of the cabin crew were SIA, the BAH-SIN, BAH-SIN runs had SQ flight numbers.
After 3 flights, the Malaysian government, a bitter bunch it seemed, banned overwater supercruise down the Straits of Malacca.
This had a lot to do with a dispute over LHR slots, and probably jealousy towards SIA.

After an agreement was worked out, these services resumed in Jan 1979, OAD was the only BA aircraft to have the SIA livery, though it did not always operate this route.
The route lasted until November 1980, there was a recession, and firstly the Indian government stopped supercruise over sparsely populated areas in the South of the subcontinent, which was not a massive problem.
But in 1980, a UK TV documentary on the death by execution of a young Saudi Princess, as well as other human rights oppression in the Kingdom, caused a rift with the UK, the Saudis banned supercruise over the largely empty desert en-route to BAH.
Along with the recession, this caused BA to suspend the service, OAD was soon repainted in full BA livery.
Though years later, around the forward pax door you could still see slight traces of the gold of the SIA cheatline!

One lesson learned from this was the true extent of the range improvement you got 58,000 feet up in the tropics, where at this altitude the air is cooler than on the North Atlantic, increasing engine efficiency and adding several hundred miles to the range, which would later allow non stop LHR-BGI once the CAA had approved it, which did not happen right away, early LHR-BGIs requiring a tech stop in either SNN, SMA or LIS.

On bi-annual round the world charters, operated until the last in once 1999, Concorde did get to visit Australia.
Some charters ran in series in the mid/late 80s went to BAH-CMB-SIN-SYD and back, though the original target for scheduled BA Concorde services to Australia back in the 70's was Melbourne.


User currently offlineVIAF From Brazil, joined Jan 2004, 196 posts, RR: 6
Reply 3, posted (10 years 8 months 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 1698 times:

Very interesting indeed!!!!!!

Thank you very much!!!!! Smile/happy/getting dizzy Smile/happy/getting dizzy Smile/happy/getting dizzy

Martin


User currently offlineFLYSSC From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 7412 posts, RR: 57
Reply 4, posted (10 years 8 months 22 hours ago) and read 1612 times:

This SIA livery is the ONLY livery Concord wore other than AF's & BA's.

Concorde NEVER wore for real the "Braniff" livery you can see on some "pictures" of even Braniff's commercial ad of that time...


User currently offlineSLCPilot From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 585 posts, RR: 2
Reply 5, posted (10 years 8 months 22 hours ago) and read 1608 times:

GDB,

I am curious about the route of flight for the LHR-BAH leg. Did Concorde fly direct at subsonic speeds over Europe or did it precede the route the US F-111's took to Libya, flying around Spain and then southeast bound?

Thanks !

SLCPilot

[Edited 2004-01-25 17:08:03]


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User currently offlineFLYSSC From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 7412 posts, RR: 57
Reply 6, posted (10 years 8 months 21 hours ago) and read 1574 times:

SLCpilot,

I don't know what was the route followed by BA on LHR-BAH, but I flew once CDG-BAH, as the first leg of a world tour.
From Paris, we flew down to the Mediterranean coast, then accelerated to cross the Mediterranean sea toward Egypt. We were exceptionally cleared to fly at supersonic speed over a very small part of Egypt, Red Sea, and the desert of Saudi Arabia before reducing speed before landing at BAH.


User currently offlineVIAF From Brazil, joined Jan 2004, 196 posts, RR: 6
Reply 7, posted (10 years 8 months 20 hours ago) and read 1553 times:

Was it not allowed to flying supersonic speed all over the world?Not either she fly at the maximum altitude?



User currently offlineFLYSSC From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 7412 posts, RR: 57
Reply 8, posted (10 years 8 months 20 hours ago) and read 1534 times:

VIAF,

Because of the "sonic BOOM" it creates on the ground, the supersonic speed was only allowed over oceans and desertic areas (not all of them).

After the U.S abandoned their own program of a SuperSonic Tansport, the U.S authorities banned all supersonic civil flights over their territory on April 27th 1973, quickly followed by all the countries in the world.


User currently offlineB2707SST From United States of America, joined Apr 2003, 1369 posts, RR: 59
Reply 9, posted (10 years 8 months 19 hours ago) and read 1488 times:

The routing on London-Bahrain was subsonic flight over France, Switzerland, and northern Italy, transonic acceleration just past Venice, and supercruise down the Adriatic Sea and the eastern Mediterranean south of Cyprus. Lebanon allowed supersonic flight north of Beirut for a time, so no deceleration was required. Supercruise continued over Saudi Arabia until deceleration and descent to Bahrain.

--B2707SST



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