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CO Starting EWR-SMF  
User currently onlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32691 posts, RR: 72
Posted (10 years 6 months 4 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 3188 times:

Found this looking through the scheds:

CO 1628 EWR 1740-2100 SMF
CO 1629 SMF 2200-0600 EWR

Starts 2 May 2004 with a daily 737-700. Sacramento goes from no non-stops to New York City area to two non-stops, on two airlines, to two airports, in only a span of two weeks.



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User currently offlinePlaneGuy27 From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 314 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (10 years 6 months 4 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 3166 times:

That's great for the people of Sacramento. Didn't DL announce a SMF-JFK Flight before 9/11. Did that ever start?

User currently onlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32691 posts, RR: 72
Reply 2, posted (10 years 6 months 4 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 3139 times:

Didn't DL announce a SMF-JFK Flight before 9/11. Did that ever start?

They announced it in early 2001, along with JFK-SJC, for a June 2001 start date. It was canceled in late March 2001.



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User currently offlineLhr001 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (10 years 6 months 4 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 3109 times:

Delta Airlines was scheduled to operate with a 737-800. The outbound SMF-EWR was a morning departure to connect wit European flights. The inbound JFK-SMF was to be in the evening to have connected with inbound European flights.

JetBlue, now has another airline hot on its tail... Continental Airlines.


By far Continental Airlines can connect these flights from Sacramento to Newark with Continental Airlines day flight from Newark to London, and many..many East Coast and Caribbean connections. The inbound from Newark to Sacramento will afford passengers to connect from Continental service to Tel Aviv, Europe, South America, Caribbean, and East Coast due to the evening departure time from Newark to Sacramento.


LHR001


User currently offlineJetBluefan1 From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 2977 posts, RR: 14
Reply 4, posted (10 years 6 months 4 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 3070 times:

Surprisingly, I'm actually happy  Smile Though I do not appreciate the fact that JetBlue will have competition, it's only one other flight to compete with, and I think it's great that the people of Sacramento will actually have selection for their flight to NYC! This obviously is a move to follow JetBlue, but I wish Continental luck (and profits) on their flight also. Anyone know what the flights start at (prices)?

JetBluefan1



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User currently offlineLeneld From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 606 posts, RR: 1
Reply 5, posted (10 years 6 months 4 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 3047 times:

This is really great news for the people of Sacramento! Like Portland it seam to always be a challenge to getting new service when your Airport is going up against cities like San Francisco, Oakland, and Seattle. I just hope in time Portland luck will improve some with more service also.

User currently offlineCOEWRNJ From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 1064 posts, RR: 19
Reply 6, posted (10 years 6 months 4 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 3018 times:

LHR001

FYI: Continental does not have a day flight anymore to to LGW. Their first flight Gatwick is at 6:30PM on CO18 followed by CO28 at 8:30PM. The only day time connection CO passengers could make to London would be on VS to LHR at 8:20AM.


User currently offlineLhr001 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (10 years 6 months 4 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 3020 times:

Within the past five years Sacramento has gained:

Aloha Airlines
Frontier Airlines
Hawaiian Airlines
Mexicana
North American Airlines (Maui Charter)

Upcoming:

Continental Airlines to Newark
Jet Blue



LHR001


User currently offlineJetBluefan1 From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 2977 posts, RR: 14
Reply 8, posted (10 years 6 months 4 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 2986 times:

The flight on CO is $512 rt. How is that gonna compete with B6 at $268 rt ($198 with sale far) or other airlines such as HP or AA which offer it for $287 rt (connection or 1-stop)? I'd definitely forget that $512 fare and go with the one over $200 cheaper, even though I do enjoy flying CO and think they are an excellent airline when it comes to service.

JetBluefan1



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User currently onlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32691 posts, RR: 72
Reply 9, posted (10 years 6 months 4 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 2980 times:

Within the past five years Sacramento has gained:

North American Airlines (Maui Charter)


FYI, Lhr001, the North American Maui charters are to/from Spokane and Boise, not Sacramento.



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User currently offlineLhr001 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (10 years 6 months 4 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 2923 times:

MAH4546-


The Sacramento to Maui charters are operated in Summertime......


The Spokane and Boise charters are operated in Wintertime.......



LHR001


User currently offlineScottysAir From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (10 years 6 months 4 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 2880 times:

This is great news for CO make added new route from EWR-SMF flight and after batte against of jetBlue to SMF, too. So what are you think will could be next?

User currently onlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32691 posts, RR: 72
Reply 12, posted (10 years 6 months 4 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 2863 times:

MAH4546-


The Sacramento to Maui charters are operated in Summertime......


The Spokane and Boise charters are operated in Wintertime.......



They have no charter service between Maui and Sacramento. Thier charter service is between Maui and California operates five times a week to Oakland. They operated a few OGG-SMF trips for SunTrips, but they were not a regular opreation.

[Edited 2004-01-25 23:25:19]


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User currently offlineKevin752 From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 726 posts, RR: 4
Reply 13, posted (10 years 6 months 4 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 2783 times:

I think that CO is doing the right thing. B6 needs some competition.


"Keep Climbing"
User currently offlineAmhilde From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 643 posts, RR: 5
Reply 14, posted (10 years 6 months 4 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 2772 times:

well THAT explains a lot! Im over the hill , not two hours away in RNO and for me to get to the NYC area its $300-$350 ( about the price for me to get to SFO currently)- but I can leave out of SMF (and direct too!) for closer to $200..... Was curious as to what the situation was- but very interesting CO chose to open up this route, I have to take them through Houston to get to where Im going! I really hope this doesnt mean that more airlines are going to be setting up shop in Sac and avoiding RNO because im tired of my choice of WN, WN, or WN to go anywhere.


Hang on tightly, Let go lightly
User currently offlineJetBluefan1 From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 2977 posts, RR: 14
Reply 15, posted (10 years 6 months 4 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 2689 times:

I really hope this doesnt mean that more airlines are going to be setting up shop in Sac and avoiding RNO because im tired of my choice of WN, WN, or WN to go anywhere.

If JetBlue is successful in SMF, they probably will start service from JFK to other cities that have little or no flights to NYC. Reno will probably be the next one if Sacaramento does well, then perhaps Portland, Oregon. Maybe Fresno...does have statistics for how many people travel that route daily? I would also think Albuquerque, New Mexico and perhaps Tucson, Arizona.

I think these would be very profitable for JetBlue as other airlines are just avoiding these cities from NYC. However, they are large cities with dense populations which would enjoy non-stop service to NYC - especially with an LCC - right?

JetBluefan1



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User currently offlineKlwright69 From Saudi Arabia, joined Jan 2000, 2025 posts, RR: 3
Reply 16, posted (10 years 6 months 4 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 2582 times:

After seeing JetBlue just announce SMF-JFK, I think we were all waiting for the other sure to drop with CO's just announced EWR-SMF service. I (and I am sure many others here) saw this one coming!

Gee, am I psychic or what?

No way CO will concede ground in the NYC area. I remember when Western Pacific launched EWR-COS. CO was in that market in a flash as well!!


User currently offlineKlwright69 From Saudi Arabia, joined Jan 2000, 2025 posts, RR: 3
Reply 17, posted (10 years 6 months 4 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 2577 times:

CO has done ABQ-EWR nonstop. Think it was Saturday only though. Think it's long gone though. If JetBlue does it, as I said before, CO will be on them like white on rice!

Let the games begin!


User currently offline777gk From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 1641 posts, RR: 18
Reply 18, posted (10 years 6 months 4 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 2569 times:

We certainly don't like it when people invade our home turf, but don't expect any kind of cutthroat pricing and capacity dumping like we are doing with ATA EWR-SFO. We just want to keep all our bases covered, and we expect to net plenty of international connections off this route, something B6 can't do and why there is no reason we should not be successful in this market.

User currently onlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32691 posts, RR: 72
Reply 19, posted (10 years 6 months 4 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 2539 times:

We just want to keep all our bases covered, and we expect to net plenty of international connections off this route

The EWR-SMF flight is timed well for international connections. However, the SMF-EWR is not. One would have to wait 12+ hours at Sacramento just to catch the first flights to Paris or London.



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User currently offlineCODC10 From United States of America, joined Jul 2000, 2403 posts, RR: 6
Reply 20, posted (10 years 6 months 4 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 2523 times:

I believe CO was looking at the VS EWR-LHR AM flight for connections, and keep your eyes peeled for an EWR-AM), Netherlands">AMS morning flight as well, possibly operated by NW or KL. This coming from a F/A on a flight LAX-EWR the other day, but he seemed to know what he was talking about... take it with a grain of salt!

User currently offlineJohnboy From United States of America, joined Aug 1999, 2578 posts, RR: 7
Reply 21, posted (10 years 6 months 4 weeks 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 2466 times:

Please don't think i'm knocking competition whatsoever (and certainly nothing personal toward you 777gk), but it's always interesting to me when people say how successful Airline X should be in a market, yet they don't think about starting service until Airline Y has announced plans to enter the market.

I'm always reminded of the phrase, "imitation is the sincerest form of flattery."


User currently onlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32691 posts, RR: 72
Reply 22, posted (10 years 6 months 4 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 2459 times:

I believe CO was looking at the VS EWR-LHR AM flight for connections

I honestly cannot imagine why anybody would want to fly a redeye from the west coast to connect on to a daylight to London. It would basicly take off a whole day from one's schedule, as opposed to connecting in Los Angeles or San Francisco, leaving in the afternoon and getting into London the next morning.

The most likely thing is that they will route SMF-Europe customers via IAH on the way there (assuming it is LGW/CDG/AM), Netherlands">AMS) and via EWR on the wayback.



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User currently offlineFlyboyaz From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 23, posted (10 years 6 months 4 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 2363 times:

Excellent news for SMF!

I'm sure the flight will be greatly appreciated. During the holiday our CO TUS-EWR flight was full almost everyday...even with the higher fares. It's very convienent and people will pay the extra money for the nonstop. Of course it's also great news for the HP agents in SMF...more CO flights keeps them employeed!


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