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WestJet The Next Canadi>n?  
User currently offlineCanadianNorth From Canada, joined Aug 2002, 3390 posts, RR: 9
Posted (10 years 9 months 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 2535 times:

Ok for starters I realise the fact that if you lot were up ere i might aswell prebook by ambulance ride to the emergency room due to the fact that just reading the title would probably give some of you a good enough reason to come over and just cream me. Boot in the arse for me for comin up with such a title.


So back on topic. Air Canada seems a more eastern Canada based airline, and good old Canadi>n was more of a western airline to many canadians. Now we have Air Canada still more eastern than a western airline, and out west we have our buddy Westjet. Also, Canadian started more on its own markets then expanded into Air Canada Land, and it seems Westjet is doing the same with there upped services to YYZ.

I realise that Westjet is a LCC and Canadian was a major, aswell as the fact that Canadian served 5 continents where as Westjet only does domestic routes within Canada. But, with those facts aside, can anyone see where im coming from? I mean CP was based in YYC from what i heard, and someone told me so is Westjet. They both started out west and moved into AC land. They both started with older a/c (732) and soon bought up some newer birds 737NG/A320). They both seemed to be costimer driven and the staff seemed to have a posotive outlook.

Unfortunatly Canadi>n Airlines International was swallowed up by long time bitter rival Air Canada. But, while this was happening a new western based airline called Westjet was rising. Now that CP is gone we see WestJet continue to expand into AC land and former CP land, and maybe some day start up a few international routes.

So to make it short, who here can see the idea that Westjet in some ways could possibly just maybe be the next Canadian?



Thank you for yer time please dont get too upset about anything i have said and best of luck to everyone.
CanadianNorth


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User currently offlineB747ca From Canada, joined Aug 2001, 677 posts, RR: 2
Reply 1, posted (10 years 9 months 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 2487 times:

It all depends on what Westjet's long term plans are. If they stay domestic then I think they can compete (low turn around times, more regional traffic ect). If they go international, only time will tell. They will have to invest in bigger more expensive planes, design an international sched. ect. This all cost big $$$.


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User currently offlineYyz717 From Canada, joined Sep 2001, 16307 posts, RR: 56
Reply 2, posted (10 years 9 months 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 2428 times:

Their YYC base was the only commonality betw Canadian & Westjet. I would argue that Pacific Western (before they bought CP in 1987) was a close parallel with Westjet.


Panam, TWA, Ansett, Eastern.......AC next? Might be good for Canada.
User currently offlineFallingeese From Canada, joined Apr 2001, 2097 posts, RR: 18
Reply 3, posted (10 years 9 months 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 2404 times:

Pacific Western had far more similarities to Westjet than Canadian. How many people remember the Pacific Western 767-200's that were purchased for the Western triangle? Ya it's been awhile.


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User currently offlineCanadianNorth From Canada, joined Aug 2002, 3390 posts, RR: 9
Reply 4, posted (10 years 9 months 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 2391 times:

Of course, iron boot in the arse for me!!! Pacific Western Airlines would be far closer to Westjet than Canadian Airlines International, sorry everyone i sorta meant that but somehow ended up sayin Canadian, sorry!!




CanadianNorth



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User currently offlineCaptaingomes From Canada, joined Feb 2001, 6413 posts, RR: 55
Reply 5, posted (10 years 9 months 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 2371 times:

Similarities between Westjet and Canadi>n ... YYC base, western Canadian focus, friendliness, sincerity.

Differences ... service levels, domestic vs. international service, fleet, management, etc etc. Another huge difference, profitability. But you know all these things anyways. Let's hope Westjet has the staying power and doesn't become the next Canadi>n.  Smile



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User currently offlineGoose From Canada, joined Aug 2003, 1840 posts, RR: 15
Reply 6, posted (10 years 9 months 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 2354 times:

For interests' sake, there's a good number of ex-CP folks at WestJet; maintenance and operations people, for the most part.

And CP and WS both useduse YYC as their HQ, with their corporate offices.... but really, CP's main base in terms of flights, revenue and so on, was always Vancouver. WS uses the YYC as much more of a central hub of it's operations than CP ever did.

In CP's system, YYC was more of a small domestic hub than anything major, with very limited International and transborder routes.



"Talk to me, Goose..."
User currently offlineYegbey01 From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 1729 posts, RR: 3
Reply 7, posted (10 years 9 months 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 2324 times:

CP used YYC extensively for flights within Western Canada and they did operate flights to LHR, FRA and MUC.

But as Goose said, CP's main hub was YVR. As a matter of fact, they generated more than half of their revenues from the Asia/Pacific flights.

The YVR-Japan flights were a gold mine for CP.

But I am not sure you can draw any comparison netween CP and WJ. other than being based in YYC, CP was an"INTERNATIONAL" carrier.

WestJet is still in its infancy in terms of evrything. You can never replace CP. Service, Friendliness, Attitude..... I wish we could bring those days back


User currently offlineGoose From Canada, joined Aug 2003, 1840 posts, RR: 15
Reply 8, posted (10 years 9 months 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 2287 times:

YEGbey.... near the end, I don't recall CP having that much in terms of International flights out of YYC - in 1999, they had only a 1x daily to LHR from YYC with a DC10 (later on a 763)... and 2x daily during the summer. At that point, CP only operated maybe a dozen transborder flights a day - 2x daily to IAH, to LAX, and to ORD from YYC.

And you're right, YEGBey.... you can never replace CP. WestJet has a lot of the same sort of "feeling" of friendliness and a high grade of personal service and so on, but CP had a sense of class and a degree of professionalism which you don't get with WestJet.



"Talk to me, Goose..."
User currently offlineCanadianNorth From Canada, joined Aug 2002, 3390 posts, RR: 9
Reply 9, posted (10 years 9 months 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 2235 times:

I agree with what was said, Westjet can replace alot of what Canadian was...

...but nothing can fully bring back the class and style of Canadian Airlines International. The "big goose" is something nobody can replace.




CanadianNorth



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User currently offlineBO__einG From Canada, joined Apr 2000, 2771 posts, RR: 18
Reply 10, posted (10 years 9 months 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 2194 times:

Many miss the Canadian days.
It was nothing short of being excellent in service and professionalism.
YYC also had flights to Tokyo using DC10s. CP015 which would leave at 10:15am on Saturday. I have never seen its 747 planes at Calgary airport though..



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User currently offlineCanadaEH From Canada, joined Jul 2003, 1341 posts, RR: 4
Reply 11, posted (10 years 9 months 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 2149 times:

I think the only similarity, as mentioned, was customer service and attitude. My dad still speaks highly of Canadian, and he was a die-hard fan when they were around. Even with the choice of two international airlines, the only choice in his mind was Canadian. I think a lot of the domestic travellers nowadays think the same about Westjet - if they need to fly someone within Canada (and Westjet flies there), Westjet is the only way to go. That's obviously not always the case, but one could draw a similarity between the two by considering the dedication of passengers..

It was also mentioned that Canadian was well known for its customer service and the way you were treated when you flew on them. I think the same can be said about Westjet, albeit in a less professional and more down-to-earth manner.

Another simliarity would be the employees. I work with a lot of ex-CP employees and they seem to have the same attitudes that many of the Westjetters display - positive, friendly, and open. Considering all that some of them have been through, a lot of these guys bring in a lot of character, sincerity, and leadership to the table. Call it sappy if you will, but the employees work ethic and attitudes can be seen in the product that passengers get to fly on, and I don't think that goes unnoticed to the everyday passenger. LCC or full-service carrier, both airlines seem to have a large, positive following.



EH.
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