ARGinMIA From Argentina, joined Nov 2001, 487 posts, RR: 6 Posted (9 years 3 months 4 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 2257 times:
I just read on the newspaper that United will be pulling out of the MIA-EZE route as early as march and then probably starting ORD-EZE !!!! Anybody heard of this?
HNLFlyboy From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 321 posts, RR: 2 Reply 7, posted (9 years 3 months 4 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 2080 times:
Perhaps the UA flight ORD/EZE will no longer make the stop at MIA in the Fall and just fly non-stop to EZE. Who knows with UA anything anymore.
Uadc8contrail From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 1782 posts, RR: 10 Reply 9, posted (9 years 3 months 4 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 2056 times:
makes perfect sense to op iad/ord to the deep south as mia never really had no good feed..let aa/ ar/rg battle it out and drop one less stop on the way down there on ua......
MAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 31117 posts, RR: 74 Reply 10, posted (9 years 3 months 4 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 2046 times:
as mia never really had no good feed
Didn't need it, the flight relied heavily on O&D. The problem was that United, which at one point at 45 non-stops throughout the US and Latin America from Miami, cut thier route network down to thier 5 hubs, GRU, and EZE. There was no big advantage towards frequenting United from MIA, when you could frequent AA, who serves over 90 destinations from MIA.
Uadc8contrail From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 1782 posts, RR: 10 Reply 11, posted (9 years 3 months 4 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 2031 times:
mah4546,
so whats ur point?????if mia was a big o/d point why did they drop them???...it was only a matter of time before they cut them(south am)....if mia-eze mia-gru was a cash cow they would have kept them......
MAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 31117 posts, RR: 74 Reply 12, posted (9 years 3 months 4 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 2011 times:
so whats ur point?????if mia was a big o/d point why did they drop them???...it was only a matter of time before they cut them(south am)....if mia-eze mia-gru was a cash cow they would have kept them.......
I very much stated my point. Re-read my post. MIA-EZE/GRU are heavy O&D markets (both among the busiest international O&D city pairs from the US). However, United Airlines dwindled thier MIA route network to such a small amount, that frequent fliers and business travelers (the ones that make airlines money) moved away from United Airlines and to American Airlines.
In fact, from what I understand, UA's MIA-EZE/GRU flights did make money in themselves, but when you combine that with the whole MIA operation (pilot and FA bases) that United had in Miami to support only 12 daily flights, there was no profit left.
Uadc8contrail From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 1782 posts, RR: 10 Reply 13, posted (9 years 3 months 4 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 1969 times:
mah,
so let me get this straight....mia is a heavy o/d market right???what does ual dropping the inbounds have to do with the o/d biz flyers???????why wud the o/d biz flyers flock to aa or any1 else if ual cuts the inbounds????mia based crews????if ure gonna run any intl routes outta there u need a crew base....u can not rely on crews from iad/ord/jfk/lax/den/sfo to keep the flts going......
MAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 31117 posts, RR: 74 Reply 14, posted (9 years 3 months 4 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 1960 times:
mah,
so let me get this straight....mia is a heavy o/d market right???what does ual dropping the inbounds have to do with the o/d biz flyers???????why wud the o/d biz flyers flock to aa or any1 else if ual cuts the inbounds????mia based crews????if ure gonna run any intl routes outta there u need a crew base....u can not rely on crews from iad/ord/jfk/lax/den/sfo to keep the flts going......
I don't get why you don't understand.
1) Yes, MIA-EZE/GRU is a heavy O&D market.
2) Because United cut so many non-stops out of Miami, passengers that used to frequent United on MIA-EZE/GRU switched to American, because American offers more frequency and more destinations. And, as you said yourself, "if ure gonna run any untl routes outta there u need a crew base", it was not profitable to operate a crew/pilot base for only two flights.
LatinAviation From Ireland, joined Nov 2003, 1276 posts, RR: 17 Reply 15, posted (9 years 3 months 4 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 1881 times:
It's called network, that's what business passengers want. The guy that's flying UA to EZE today may have to go to CCS tomorrow. He wants one airline, one frequent flyer program, etc. Moreover, like MAH says, AA beats UA on the frequencies hands-down.
UA had to heavily incentivize corporations to use these routes. In Argentina, for example, they had a one-class upgrade program for corporate customers plus back-end deals.
Look at the infastructure UA had in Miami to support these two routes:
Approximately 150 Miami-based personnel will be furloughed effective May 1 -- this includes ground service, kitchen, human resources and training personnel.
It's no wonder that this, plus the crew base, sucked all the profit out.
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