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Improve Safety, De-Ice Passengers!  
User currently offlineOuboy79 From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 4588 posts, RR: 23
Posted (10 years 7 months 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 2473 times:

After dropping a family member off at TOL this morning I noticed something that really didn't look right. A certain airline that flies west of Toledo started de-icing their plane while the aircraft was boarding (and loading bags). Now I could understand sweeping the wings off, and dumping the green/orange snot all of it...but spraying down passengers and bags to reduce dangers from icing? What have we come to.  Smile

I could only imagine the dry cleaning bills the airline is going to have to pay for. Hopefully no one ingested too much...geeez.

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User currently offlineFutureualpilot From United States of America, joined May 2000, 2602 posts, RR: 8
Reply 1, posted (10 years 7 months 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 2433 times:

Were they getting the fluid on the passengers?

Maybe they were trying to save time because they were running late...who knows!?



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User currently offlineGoose From Canada, joined Aug 2003, 1840 posts, RR: 15
Reply 2, posted (10 years 7 months 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 2424 times:

Was this a ground-loading station?

I've ingested and breathed in a good lot of deice fluid in my time as a Ramper - both Type I and Type IV. No difficulties at all.....none.... *twitch*  Nuts



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User currently offlineOuboy79 From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 4588 posts, RR: 23
Reply 3, posted (10 years 7 months 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 2360 times:

This was a kickoff flight...so if they were running late, it was their own fault.

The aircraft was a turboprop - so it was ground loaded.


User currently offlineGoose From Canada, joined Aug 2003, 1840 posts, RR: 15
Reply 4, posted (10 years 7 months 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 2296 times:

The aircraft was a turboprop - so it was ground loaded.

There's quite a few turboprops that can be loaded on jetways like any other airliner - the Q series (Dash-8) comest o mind. The difference in ground clearance between a Dash and a MD-80 isn't much.......

Anyway.... the stuff's harmless. Just don't drink it.



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User currently offlinePrebennorholm From Denmark, joined Mar 2000, 6429 posts, RR: 54
Reply 5, posted (10 years 7 months 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 2253 times:

To spray the passengers and/or their bags with de-icing fluid, tar, horse s**t or similar things is probably one very efficient way to downsize an airline.

Apart from that, de-icing fluid is not dangerous in case you don't drink too much of it. The "worst" part of it (polypropylene glycol) is what Austrian wineries put into their wine some fifteen years ago in order to improve the taste. (They ended that practice when it got known). Most of the rest (glycerine) will only improve a hard stomach.

Well, too much "improvement" can also create a minor "problem". Especially nowadays when - in order to fight terrorism - we are no longer allowed to queue up at the lav.  Big thumbs up

Happy landing, Preben Norholm



Always keep your number of landings equal to your number of take-offs, Preben Norholm
User currently offlineRedngold From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 6907 posts, RR: 44
Reply 6, posted (10 years 7 months 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 2208 times:

Harmless... except if anyone has pets at home that might want to sit on his/her clothing afterwards. Deicing fluid is lethal to most housepets including cats and dogs.


Up, up and away!
User currently offlineOuboy79 From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 4588 posts, RR: 23
Reply 7, posted (10 years 7 months 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 2116 times:

The airline does not do jetbridge loading in TOL, so they are required to board from the ramp.

I think the big issue here is spraying the plane while both cabin and cargo doors were open with passengers and bags on the ramp. I'm sure you wouldn't like to be walking to your plane and then get sprayed with glycol.


User currently offlineGoose From Canada, joined Aug 2003, 1840 posts, RR: 15
Reply 8, posted (10 years 7 months 6 days ago) and read 2066 times:

Apart from that, de-icing fluid is not dangerous in case you don't drink too much of it. The "worst" part of it (polypropylene glycol) is what Austrian wineries put into their wine some fifteen years ago in order to improve the taste. (They ended that practice when it got known). Most of the rest (glycerine) will only improve a hard stomach.

Polypropylene glycol is also found in Dr. Pepper......



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User currently offlineXJRamper From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 2460 posts, RR: 51
Reply 9, posted (10 years 7 months 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 2008 times:

Glycol is found in conditioners and hand-creams as well.


We spray for this certain airline. I was there this morning but I did not drive, my lead agent did. My lead agent is more rule conscious than I am, and I pretty much follow the letter. Either you saw the truck down there right after they started up the engine and the smoke pour out of the engine thinking it was glycol being sprayed or I don't know what else. Besides the de-icer has to get the aircraft configed. for de-icing signal from the capt before spraying.

just my .03

XJR



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