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Which Airlines Do Not Have PTV's Here's My List:  
User currently offline744 From United States of America, joined Aug 2001, 449 posts, RR: 0
Posted (10 years 9 months 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 4720 times:

Northwest, Lufthansa, KLM, AirIndia, PIA(Except777), Syrian Air, Dragon Air, Garuda Indonesia, Iran Air, EL AL(742), Thai Airways, Royal Nepal Airlines, Royal Air Maroc, Royal Jordanian, China Airlines (744), Air China, Aerofloat (Except 777), Bangladesh Biman, CZA, Finnair, MExicana.

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User currently offlineFritzi From United Arab Emirates, joined Jun 2001, 2762 posts, RR: 2
Reply 1, posted (10 years 9 months 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 4627 times:

Add Ariana Afghan and many other former Soviet Airlines.

BTW its Aeroflot, not Aerofloat. Big grin


User currently offlineWorldperks From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (10 years 9 months 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 4580 times:

Actually, Northwest and KLM both do have PTV's in international business class.



User currently offlineWorldperks From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (10 years 9 months 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 4566 times:

Southwest, America's most profitable LCC, does not have PTV's. And passengers flock to their planes anyway.  Smile



User currently offlinePe@rson From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2001, 19236 posts, RR: 52
Reply 4, posted (10 years 9 months 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 4549 times:

"Southwest, America's most profitable LCC, does not have PTV's. And passengers flock to their planes anyway."

Because not offering IFE reduces their overall costs, which can be passed onto the consumer in the form of lower prices and thus carry more people. (Because airline prices are elastic, if WN reduced its prices by 10% more than 10% more people would fly.) Most of WN's flights are around 90 minutes in duration, so IFE has only limited appeal anyway. The only real option is to offer IFE, in the form of PTVs, but make passengers pay for it if they wish to watch it.



"Everyone writing for the Telegraph knows that the way to grab eyeballs is with Ryanair and/or sex."
User currently offlineUdo From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (10 years 9 months 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 4484 times:

Some corrections and additions:

- Aeroflot has NO PTVs on the B777
- Dragonair will refurbish the A330 interiors (will soon offer PTVs)
- KLM has PTVs on the B777
- Northwest has PTVs in the new A330


Some major airlines without PTVs at all are Air New Zealand, Iberia, LOT and Malev. There are many more, would take too long to list them.


Regards
Udo


User currently offlineTrekster From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (10 years 9 months 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 4452 times:

I dont think i willfly Air NewZ ealand then, no ptv on such long haul routes, no thanks

User currently offlineUdo From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (10 years 9 months 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 4436 times:

Good decision, Trekster! If you want to go to LAX from the UK, almost every other carrier offers PTVs!


Regards
Udo


User currently offlineWorldperks From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (10 years 9 months 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 4435 times:

More corrections:

I've used PTV's on KLM 747-300s and Northwest 747-200s. That would be impossible, wouldn't it, if they didn't have them.



User currently offlineUdo From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (10 years 9 months 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 4396 times:

Worldperks, then you have flown in WorldBusiness Class. KLM's and NWA's B747 classic did/do NOT have PTVs in Economy.

User currently offlineWorldperks From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (10 years 9 months 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 4394 times:

More information:

--Delta does not use PTV's on their MD-80 fleet.
--Continental does not use PTV's on their MD-80 and 737-500 planes
--USAirways does not use PTV's on their 737 fleet
--American does not use PTV's on their MD-80 fleet
--United does not use PTV's on their 737 fleet.
--Alaska does not use PTV's on their MD-80 fleet
--America West does not use PTV's on their 737 fleet
--AirTran does not use PTV's





User currently offlineWorldperks From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (10 years 9 months 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 4382 times:

Udo,

Of course. I said International Business Class in my first post, yes? The original post didn't specify.


Worldperks



User currently offlineUdo From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (10 years 9 months 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 4373 times:

Worldperks,

sorry, I forgot your first reply in that thread. Of course you mentioned intl. C-Class!


Regards
Udo


User currently offlineTokolosh From Netherlands, joined Sep 2001, 366 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (10 years 9 months 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 4359 times:

Just a question: What weight do PTVs add to a large aircraft and how much extra wiring and energry do they require?


Did the chicken or the egg get laid first?
User currently offlineWorldperks From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 14, posted (10 years 9 months 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 4348 times:

More information:

--Air Canada and Air Canada ZIP do not use PTV's on 737 and 319 aircraft.
--Southeast Airlines does not offer PTV's
--HorizonAir does not offer PTV's



User currently offlineNudelhirsch From Germany, joined Oct 2003, 1438 posts, RR: 19
Reply 15, posted (10 years 9 months 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 4285 times:

LH has PTV in the leased 767, 330 and some of the 340 I think. also I think LH's new business class will have that feature...


Putana da Seatbeltz!
User currently offlinePe@rson From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2001, 19236 posts, RR: 52
Reply 16, posted (10 years 9 months 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 4260 times:

Anyone know how much a decent PTV would cost for a typical 737?


"Everyone writing for the Telegraph knows that the way to grab eyeballs is with Ryanair and/or sex."
User currently offlineSpeedbirdEGJJ From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2003, 430 posts, RR: 4
Reply 17, posted (10 years 9 months 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 4227 times:

In the BA fleet:

all 744/777 have ptv's in all classes
767 Longhaul have ptv's in J only
757/767/320/319 have dropdown tv's
737/RJ100 have no IFE

SpeedbirdEGJJ


User currently offlineDgeHfx From Canada, joined May 2001, 132 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (10 years 9 months 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 4224 times:

Air Canada have NO PTV's on any aircraft in Economy class. They do, however, have PTV's in their A330's A340's, 744's and some 767's in Business Class (J Class)

User currently offlineAlespesl From Czech Republic, joined Jan 2004, 582 posts, RR: 2
Reply 19, posted (10 years 9 months 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 4185 times:

Do you mean CZA or CSA - Czech Airlines? Please Spell correctly. CSA - Czech Airlines have no PTVs in the economy class, I dont know about Business.


Next Flight: Oct 10: PRG-MUC-KIV EMB 195/CRJ 900, Oct 12: KIV-MUC-PRG CRJ900/EMB 195 wiht Lufthansa
User currently offlinePhaeton From Germany, joined Jan 2004, 406 posts, RR: 2
Reply 20, posted (10 years 9 months 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 4046 times:

All of Lufthansa's long-haul fleet currently offers PTV's in Business and First Class.


"History will be kind to me for I intend to write it.", Winston Churchill
User currently offlineLHSebi From Germany, joined Jan 2004, 1049 posts, RR: 8
Reply 21, posted (10 years 9 months 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 4009 times:

Exactly...Phaeton just beat me to it...Lufthansa has had PTV's in all long-haul Business and first classes for a long time! Just economy that they are lacking them. Would you guys actually not fly in an excellent airline like Air New Zealand, or Lufthansa just because they don't have PTV's in Economy?  Insane

Sebastian



I guess that's what happens in the end, you start thinking about the beginning.
User currently offlineOerk From United Kingdom, joined Sep 2003, 162 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (10 years 9 months 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 3978 times:

LHSebi

if an airline with PTVs will fly me on the same route for the same price, Lufthansa and Air New Zealand will not be seeing my money.

Last time I checked, I dont see Lufthansa and Air New Zealand being that much cheaper than alternatives do you? Its all about quality of product - the consumer wants value for money - for me, and many others, PTVs increase that.

Its quite simple, and not a contentious issue in any way.

[Edited 2004-01-27 17:02:49]

User currently offlineLHR340 From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2003, 877 posts, RR: 1
Reply 23, posted (10 years 9 months 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 3977 times:

Iberia have no PTVs at all, on all aircraft, only the screens that come down.

LHR340



A340 LoVeR! EC-GQK - LHR The Bussiest International Airport & 3rd Bussiest In The World!
User currently offlineAmirs From Israel, joined Dec 2003, 1333 posts, RR: 4
Reply 24, posted (10 years 9 months 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 3870 times:

744: EL AL has PTV in all classes on 777 and 744.


25 UnitedFirst : Iberia have no PTVs at all, on all aircraft, only the screens that come down. Perhaps not in Economy Class, but there are certainly PTVs in First Clas
26 Scf158 : SWISS has PTV's in Economy in their new A340's... I dont know about the A330 and MD11's....or any other A/C for that matter
27 AviationMaster : Scf158: SWISS has PTV's in all classes on their A340 and A330. The MD11 featured them too, but they were removed after the SR111 tradgedy.
28 Mehtabrahman : Biman Bangladesh Airlines does have PTV's on their business class in the Airbus 310's. Other airlines that do not offer PTV's include Indian Airlines,
29 Ua777222 : American 757's don't offer them I don't think. I'm planning on flying to the carrebean on AA b/c they own that area and I'm really not looking forward
30 AF Cabin Crew : Tokolosh, To answer to you question, 2 tons on a 744 ! I have asked that question to Air France when they were refurbishing the 744 and asked why they
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