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LCC's That Aren't LCC's At All  
User currently offlineUTA_FLYingHIGH From Tunisia, joined Oct 2001, 6495 posts, RR: 51
Posted (10 years 5 months 2 weeks 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 2247 times:

If there were weasel awards for airlines, my vote would go out to easyJet and Duo.
Flying out of GVA, I have never managed to get a fare that was anywhere near the prices advertised on billboards.
As for Duo...300 Euro plus for LYS to BHX return >? three months in advance too ? these people should rename themselves HCC's.

UTA


Fly to live, live to fly - Air France/KLM Flying Blue Platinum, BMI Diamond Club Gold, Emirates Skywards
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User currently offlinePwm2txlhopper From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 1320 posts, RR: 1
Reply 1, posted (10 years 5 months 2 weeks 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 2223 times:

From my experiences Icelandair isnt usually much cheaper than the majors.

User currently offlineRyanair737 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (10 years 5 months 2 weeks 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 2188 times:

The reason Duo are expensive is because they provide a meal service on-board the flight.

Ryanair737


User currently offlineUTa_FLYinghigh From Tunisia, joined Oct 2001, 6495 posts, RR: 51
Reply 3, posted (10 years 5 months 2 weeks 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 2175 times:

Mazette ! a nasty salad w/ a nasty crepe justify a 300 Euro + price  Wow!


UTA



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User currently offlineCKT789 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (10 years 5 months 2 weeks 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 2151 times:

Do Duo promote themselves as low cost? I thought they were "business class service at economy class prices", which I wouldn't read to be low cost.

User currently offlineRyanair737 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (10 years 5 months 2 weeks 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 2151 times:

Do Duo advertise that they are a LCC?

Ryanair737


User currently offlineUTa_FLYinghigh From Tunisia, joined Oct 2001, 6495 posts, RR: 51
Reply 6, posted (10 years 5 months 2 weeks 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 2143 times:


'nuff said.
UTA



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User currently offlineUTa_FLYinghigh From Tunisia, joined Oct 2001, 6495 posts, RR: 51
Reply 7, posted (10 years 5 months 2 weeks 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 2121 times:

Reality :
Outward Flights - LYON to BIRMINGHAM
Flight Day Date Departs Arrives Web Saver Advantage Privilege
VB203 Sat 27 Mar 2004 12:00 12:45 105.00EUR 360.00EUR

Return Flights - BIRMINGHAM to LYON
Flight Day Date Departs Arrives Web Saver Advantage Privilege
VB206 Sun 28 Mar 2004 15:15 18:00 105.00EUR 360.00EU



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User currently offlineRyanair737 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (10 years 5 months 2 weeks 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 2118 times:

That still doesn't mean that they are a LCC UTA.  Big grin

Ryanair737


User currently offlineUTa_FLYinghigh From Tunisia, joined Oct 2001, 6495 posts, RR: 51
Reply 9, posted (10 years 5 months 2 weeks 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 2098 times:

Snif ! So how exactly is an LCC defined ?

UTA, confuzed



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User currently offlineCKT789 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (10 years 5 months 2 weeks 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 2097 times:

BA and BMI promote low fares but they are not low cost carriers. I think Duo's fares are low at the moment for promotional reasons to get people flying.

User currently offlineTeahan From Germany, joined Nov 1999, 5293 posts, RR: 61
Reply 11, posted (10 years 5 months 2 weeks 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 2097 times:

Duo definitely does not market itself as an LCC.

As for easyJet, I have never had much of a problem finding cheap fares ex-GVA but then, maybe that's just moi.




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User currently offlineCKT789 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (10 years 5 months 2 weeks 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 2083 times:

I would say an airline that offers low fares in return for low frills, i.e. no free food, drinks, would be an LCC.

User currently offlineRyanair737 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 13, posted (10 years 5 months 2 weeks 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 2070 times:

Just because the airline offers cheap fares doesn't mean that the airline is a LCC.

Ryanair737


User currently offlineRJ100 From Switzerland, joined Nov 2000, 4118 posts, RR: 29
Reply 14, posted (10 years 5 months 2 weeks 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 2062 times:

SWISS

My father flies them tomorrow from Basle to Nuremberg (via ZRH) and back. While they advertise the flight for something around 39 CHF oneway, my father pays CHF1100.  Big grin

RJ100



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User currently offlineUTa_FLYinghigh From Tunisia, joined Oct 2001, 6495 posts, RR: 51
Reply 15, posted (10 years 5 months 2 weeks 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 2013 times:

EI are advertising themselves as an LCC now :

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Photo © William Ronciere


 Nuts

UTA



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User currently offlineSinlock From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 1633 posts, RR: 2
Reply 16, posted (10 years 5 months 2 weeks 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 1954 times:

I'm not saying that South West isn't a LCC but, I live in FLL a city that South West has around 38 flights. I have yet to have a time that I was traveling that South West was not matched or under cut by another airline, be it that I'm planing 4 weeks or 1 weeks ahead. One time I was flying FLL-SJC-FLL and America West beat South West by over 95$ and that trip was planed well ahead.


My Country can beat up your Country....
User currently offlineNdebele From Germany, joined Apr 2001, 2899 posts, RR: 23
Reply 17, posted (10 years 5 months 2 weeks 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 1929 times:

Regarding Duo: The STR-BHX tickets are much cheaper since they're Duo (compared to the former "BA operated by Maersk UK"), plus there is no minimum-stay on Duo. By the way it seems like BA (now operated by Citiexpress) fares have also become cheaper, due to the competition of two airlines now on that route.

User currently offlineJGPH1A From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 18, posted (10 years 5 months 2 weeks 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 1899 times:

I concur that Duo is not very 'Low Fare' whatever their costs may be - the lowest fare NCE-BHX seems to be EUR80.00, which isn't that cheap once you add the taxes - BA/BD to LHR can be cheaper than that.

Also, DUO operate only RJ's, so presumably their cost-per-seat has to be higher than normal LCC.


User currently offlineBucky707 From United States of America, joined Aug 2000, 1028 posts, RR: 3
Reply 19, posted (10 years 5 months 2 weeks 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 1877 times:

"So how exactly is an LCC defined ?"

There really is no definition. But, every new airline is going to be an LCC, I mean, no one will start an airline with top the industry pay rates and benefits packages.


User currently offlineUTa_FLYinghigh From Tunisia, joined Oct 2001, 6495 posts, RR: 51
Reply 20, posted (10 years 5 months 2 weeks 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 1866 times:

Hmm. How about EK ?

UTA



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User currently offlineBestWestern From Hong Kong, joined Sep 2000, 7062 posts, RR: 57
Reply 21, posted (10 years 5 months 2 weeks 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 1867 times:

A low cost carrier has low operating costs - nothing to do with prices - airlines will charge the highest fare that they can get away with to fill the aircraft.

Out of all the European low cost carriers - perhaps only two or three are actually low cost. Easy, Ryanair, and perhaps HapagLlyod express.

The remainder have taken a previous service, and painted the aircraft a different color - and reduced fares - without reducing their costs by much. Buzz, BmiBaby, FlyBe, Sterling, etc come to mind...



The world is really getting smaller these days
User currently offlinePe@rson From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2001, 19183 posts, RR: 52
Reply 22, posted (10 years 5 months 2 weeks 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 1832 times:

Hmmmmm... I've often managed to get U2's lowest prices.


"Everyone writing for the Telegraph knows that the way to grab eyeballs is with Ryanair and/or sex."
User currently offlineTOLtommy From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 3286 posts, RR: 4
Reply 23, posted (10 years 5 months 2 weeks 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 1828 times:

I'm pretty sure Low Cost Carrier refers to their cost to operate, not the cost of their tickets. Apparently GVA is a market that will support those higher fares. Otherwise the planes would be flying empty, right? Good thing the UN has deep pockets to keep those fares high!

User currently offlineTolosy From Luxembourg, joined Oct 2003, 357 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (10 years 5 months 2 weeks 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 1709 times:



I totally agree with you UTA, some are not that LCC

However, thanks to LCC you can travel on majors at LCC price.

Return to CDg from LHR for £49 with BMI, food, drink and seat assigned for the same price Big grin


25 Patroni : Well, this weekend I will fly on Duo from Cologne to Birmingham and back for 140EUR incl all taxes. This is of course not matching the 9.99 deals of R
26 Post contains images 5T6 : Sinlock... I'm with you. Here in ELP, Southwest is far and away the dominant carrier....yet for the flights I have taken in the past few years they ha
27 Ssides : First, the term "LCC" generally refers to the airline's cost structure, not the airline's fares. Low fares generally follow from the LCC's cost struct
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