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Delta Announce Major Growth & Investment At JFK  
User currently offlineSunValley From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (10 years 10 months 3 weeks 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 6380 times:

It look as though Delta is going to go through a growth phase at JFK.
Do you suppose the target is to dilute profits for B6?

http://finance.lycos.com/qc/news/story.aspx?story=200401281000_PRN__NYW056&symbols=QCNEWS:0

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User currently offlineUdo From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (10 years 10 months 3 weeks 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 6306 times:

Of course another try to attack jetBlue. It's funny to see how the large snake tries to catch the small mouse...but B6 cannot be stopped that easily. The majors have been trying that for years now and at the end their only losses will only increase.


Regards
Udo


User currently offlineJGPH1A From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (10 years 10 months 3 weeks 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 6281 times:

Glad to see they're revamping their terminals at JFK - the poor old Worldport is looking very tired (like most JFK terminals).

User currently offlineRyanairA320 From Ireland, joined exactly 11 years ago today! , 96 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (10 years 10 months 3 weeks 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 6092 times:



Will Delta ever return it's JFK-DUB route? even only seasonal?

I would love if they did and operated the 777


RyanairA320




Ryanair 'The Low Fares Airline' and now also 'The On-time Airline'
User currently offlineFlyPNS1 From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 6730 posts, RR: 24
Reply 4, posted (10 years 10 months 3 weeks 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 5968 times:

JFK-DUB might come back if the Irish gov't dumps that SNN service requirement. Until then, it is doubtful.

As for the expansion, it is clearly aimed at JBLU. Although you'll notice most of the new flights are not using Song...just regular mainline DL or RJ's in case of the secondary markets. It's about time DL did something to compete rather than just run and hide.



User currently offlineWorldTraveler From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (10 years 10 months 3 weeks 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 5714 times:

PLZ... don't you think AA or DL are capable of adding flights just to make money and not just run off the competition. DL has been focusing on the NE for a number of years...long before 9/11 and JetBlue's arrival. Same for AA. Don't presume that those carriers are just going to walk away from major markets like NYC where there is still lots of money to be made...for everyone.

There's no doubt B6 will be forced to decide whether it wants to go chasing a million other opportunities like the Shuttle or focus on building its core operation in JFK. Regardless of what B6 does, AA and DL will be major competitors in the NE at JFK for years to come.


User currently offlineFlyguy1 From United States of America, joined Jun 1999, 1743 posts, RR: 4
Reply 6, posted (10 years 10 months 3 weeks 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 5713 times:

Though some of this expansion appears aimed at B6 (SJU,RSW,DEN extra SEA), many of these cities are not served at all currently from JFK. SAV, GSP, GSO have never been served before IIRC, and I doubt B6 will ever fly to these places. The other services are increased frequency to destinations already served, such as STL which lost most of its service to JFK after TWA went under.


727, L1011, MD80, A300, 777-200, 737-300, 737-700, 747-400, 757-200, 737-800, A320. E190, E135, 767-200, CRJ9
User currently offlineRJpieces From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (10 years 10 months 3 weeks 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 5624 times:

YAY!!!!!!! DL had big JFK expansion plans pre 9/11 and B6. While some of the plans haven't come back (such as the new terminal), I am glad to see they are adding service. This is great for Delta, great for the 200 new employees, and great for JFK!

Btw, this line was funny: " the addition of bus connection to the new Air Train,"


User currently offlineTOLtommy From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 3308 posts, RR: 5
Reply 8, posted (10 years 10 months 3 weeks 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 5596 times:

Don't forget, because of B6, JFK has become a popular domestic airport as well. DL has room to grow at JFK, and can not only use the growth to stop B6, they can take away some of the traffic that would go to US over at LGA. New Yorkers have learned JFK isn't that far away after all.

User currently offlineRJpieces From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (10 years 10 months 3 weeks 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 5564 times:

Sorry, nothing Delta could do now will stop B6. LGA is still the preferred airport for business O&D pax, which US has a lot of there.

User currently offlineDeltaffindfw From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 1448 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (10 years 10 months 3 weeks 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 5556 times:


Why doesn't the AirTrain connect to the DL terminals? Wasn't it just built?


User currently offlineRjpieces From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (10 years 10 months 3 weeks 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 5478 times:

It does connect to the Delta terminals, I have no clue why the article mentioned a bus to the Airtrain!!!  Smile

User currently offlineUA744Flagship From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (10 years 10 months 3 weeks 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 5476 times:

Ordpark,

Do you know if the 744s are getting the updated interior as they go in for overhaul?? Are these D-checks of HMVs?


User currently offlineAtolani From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 6 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (10 years 10 months 3 weeks 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 5459 times:

Sorry, how much money did Delta loose last year? and now this..

User currently offlinePROSA From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 5644 posts, RR: 4
Reply 14, posted (10 years 10 months 3 weeks 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 5374 times:

Though some of this expansion appears aimed at B6 (SJU,RSW,DEN extra SEA), many of these cities are not served at all currently from JFK. SAV, GSP, GSO have never been served before IIRC, and I doubt B6 will ever fly to these places. The other services are increased frequency to destinations already served, such as STL which lost most of its service to JFK after TWA went under.


Let's see, expanded service from JFK to SAN and SEA, new service to SJU and especially SDQ ... I'd say it's not B6 that is worried, it's AA.



"Let me think about it" = the coward's way of saying "no"
User currently offlineMaverickM11 From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 17822 posts, RR: 46
Reply 15, posted (10 years 10 months 3 weeks 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 5291 times:

I'm curious to know what effects B6's red-eye will see once F9 goes to three daily flights to LGA and a daytime flight to JFK on DL.


E pur si muove -Galileo
User currently offlineJumbojet From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 1159 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (10 years 10 months 3 weeks 6 days ago) and read 5197 times:

Correct me if I am wrong, but won't this be Delta's first attempt at the Dominican Republic at SDQ ? This will directly compete with USAIR, AA, and CO. Looks like two flights a day on 757's.

User currently offlineFlyguy1 From United States of America, joined Jun 1999, 1743 posts, RR: 4
Reply 17, posted (10 years 10 months 3 weeks 6 days ago) and read 5159 times:

It does appear this expansion is also aimed at AA, I would bet AA will expand service to SDQ soon. DL is also adding service to the west coast cities B6 operates to, but only servies once per day. This may effect whether or not B6 increases service to these destinations, they may have waited to long in that regard. What is also interesting to note, is how many new RJ flights DL has/will add at JFK. While American has cut most of their RJ service at JFK (BOS, DCA, YUL, and RDU are all thats left).


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User currently offlineDeltaffindfw From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 1448 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (10 years 10 months 3 weeks 6 days ago) and read 5136 times:


This is a sign that this expansion is not necessarily aimed at domestic competition, but enhancing their connections to their intl service at JFK.


User currently offlineFoxBravo From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 3008 posts, RR: 4
Reply 19, posted (10 years 10 months 3 weeks 6 days ago) and read 5029 times:

Actually, on the contrary, I think this is DL's first real attempt to use JFK as a mainline O&D airport. In the past, virtually all of DL's domestic flights to/from JFK (except for a few transcons, Florida flights and, more recently, Song) were timed to connect with the European flights--i.e., one a day, arriving in the late afternoon and departing in the early evening. As a result, they lacked the frequency to attract much O&D traffic. Now, by adding these multiple frequencies, it looks like DL is starting to take advantage of JFK's increased popularity in the NY area (which TOLtommy rightly noted), attributable both to JetBlue and to the opening of the Airtrain. In other words, DL is finally using JFK more like CO uses EWR--not only as a hub for Europe, but also as a domestic hub and O&D gateway for New York.

I just hope these terminal improvements will be adequate. T2 and T3 are, collectively, a real dump. T3 in particular was not designed with modern security measures in mind, meaning that passengers are forced to stand on line out on the curb in all kinds of weather. I know they don't have the money to go through with their pre-9/11 construction plans, but sooner or later DL will need a better home at JFK.



Common sense is not so common. -Voltaire
User currently offlineLhr001 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 20, posted (10 years 10 months 3 weeks 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 4974 times:

The hot topic the past few weeks has been Sacramento:


New York/JFK to Sacramento on Jet Blue

Newark to Sacramento on Continental Airlines


Remember, Delta wanted to start this service in 2001!

When is Delta going to start there cabin interior re-vamps... The 767-200's, and 767-300's are starting to look a bit tore up. Not to mention the shape pf some of the 757 and 737 fleet as well!

LHR001

[Edited 2004-01-28 21:04:50]

User currently offlineJetBluefan1 From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 3018 posts, RR: 14
Reply 21, posted (10 years 10 months 3 weeks 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 4863 times:

SAV, GSP, GSO have never been served before IIRC, and I doubt B6 will ever fly to these places.

I wouldn't doubt that JetBlue would ever fly there. I'm actually pretty sure that they will. GSO has been on their list since 2000 (even check their press releases on Jetblue.com). Once the 190's come in, then they'll be able to start these routes.

Anyway, I definitely think DL should think this over. 300M? Do they have enough money to do that? I think it's already costing them quite a bit to paint those Song planes and re-do the interiors, let alone revamping a whole terminal! But whatever makes them happy...

I would actually say that the majority of this move was to stop JetBlue from expanding at JFK. For example, DL is adding SJU and SAN which JetBlue already serves 4 and 3 times daily - two important routes to JetBlue. Also, an additional flight to LAS is going to compete with JetBlue's 4 and soon to be 5 daily flights. The new flight to SEA - that's most likely to stop JetBlue from expanding anymore there. And as far as the new DEN route, I think DL noticed that JetBlue was eyeing more flights to JFK from there (but not any other destinations because the fees and taxes there are too high). The additional flights to SFO and LAX are most likely, however, because of increased demand, I would think. The new RSW flight is also because Song already serves the airport, and they saw that it would be profitable to fly there from JFK.

I really do wonder how JetBlue will react. Maybe they'll give DL a taste of their own medicine - add, add, add frequencies and give away miles (or True Blue points in this case). Or, they'll probably be smart about it and just stay the way they are. Whatever happens, there's going to be a huge showdown between B6, DL and AA in NYC and perhaps BOS too.

JetBluefan1



Most people on a.net hate JetBlue. Get used to it.
User currently offlinePVD757 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 3420 posts, RR: 16
Reply 22, posted (10 years 10 months 3 weeks 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 4793 times:

I couldn't get into the story, the link isn't active and the story has been pulled from the lycos site...

User currently offlineLhr001 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 23, posted (10 years 10 months 3 weeks 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 4788 times:

Denver is going to be a re-instated route from JFK
San Diego is going to be a re-instated route from JFK
Seattle is going to be a re-instated route from JFK

These are all routes that Delta Airlines cut several years back. They should be no suprize to anyone that frequencts Delta or any of the above markets.

Denver was flown with a 727 and 757
San Deigo was flown with a 757 and 767
Seattle was flown with a 757

The flights were timed to arrive and depart with the European departures and arrivals!


LHR001


User currently offlineDeltaffindfw From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 1448 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (10 years 10 months 3 weeks 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 4743 times:


Again, many of these routes are to feed intl paxs. It's not just my opinion, I took it from the analysts:

Ray Neidl, an analyst with Blaylock and Partners in New York, said the Delta effort at JFK could help the airline's international volume, but he doesn't expect it to do much for the airline at home. He also said the effort shouldn't affect JetBlue.



25 RJpieces : FoxBravo, I hope you are right!
26 Post contains links and images DCA-ROCguy : Here's the link to Delta's press release, this should work: http://www.delta.com/home/press/tacindex.jsp?file=newnystratrelease.htm&tactype=Current&ta
27 Lindy field : The (re)new(ed) service to SAN will be with more sensible equipment this time. Delta is planning to use 737-800s on the twice daily route, instead of
28 PROSA : If I'm reading the press release correctly, by the time all is done DL will have an additional 30 daily departures out of JFK including the regionals.
29 FlyPNS1 : Without converting more planes, Song can't be expanded much further. There is some evidence that DL may not be happy with Song. Song was brought into
30 WorldTraveler : JFK is a major international gateway for DL and putting Song in longhaul feeder flights to Europe does have implications on DL's west coast-Europe com
31 RJpieces : Btw, Delta took out a full 2 page ad in the New York Times today to advertise the new service. I was surprised because it didn't come onto Yahoo Aviat
32 Ord : "It's funny how the DL spokeswoman says their "proud history of serving the communities and people of New York State" starts with EWR, almost two deca
33 STT757 : Im confused, are these Song flights or main line Delta. The press releases I have read so far have been ambigious. Regardless if it's Song or DL mainl
34 Wedgetail737 : Delta made a major investment in JFK when they bought PA assets there. For the longest time, JFK has been dying with DL. Here's another big DL mistake
35 Flyguy1 : STT: Only RSW will be Song, the rest of the expansion is mainline/connection. When reading the press release, it seems to state the DL is expanding se
36 STT757 : " it seems to state the DL is expanding service now, and will be announcing more expansion to start after September." Probably some Seasonal Carribean
37 Wedgetail737 : DL seemed to have a ton of service through JFK when they bought PA. But since then, service has been discontinued to most of Europe on DL. And a lot o
38 Flyguy1 : Sure wish I was somewhere in the Carribean right now...
39 Flyguy1 : DL will have 14 nonstop flights per day to Europe ex:JFK this summer, not to shabby.
40 Post contains images Thrust : I hope this means that Delta is going to restart JFK-NRT. Just saw my first photo of a Delta 777 in NRT I also hope Delta in the near future considers
41 Post contains images STT757 : This one's for you Flyguy1, it's Trunk Bay on the Beautiful Island of St.John in the US Virgin Islands. Ive been there three times and this has to be
42 STT757 : " hope this means that Delta is going to restart JFK-NRT. Just saw my first photo of a Delta 777 in NRT" Highly doubt any new International expansion
43 Flyguy1 : Sweet pic, I have been to the Carribean a few times, but I def. want to visit the USVI.
44 FlyPNS1 : I would say this is a pretty major expansion at JFK...by time all is said and done capacity at JFK will be up 40%. Eventually I could see more int'l f
45 Deltaffindfw : If this works for them, and if the pilots agree to cuts, could this be re-start of the huge JFK expansion that DL professed 4 years ago. Maybe after
46 Flyguy1 : I doubt DL will ever fly from JFK (or anywhere really) to Asia again. Any international expansion would be to the Carribean, and Europe. Maybe added s
47 PVD757 : STT757: been there twice myself...loved it. 1st time was over 15 years ago, before there were any facilities (just a quiet beach). Anyway, nice pic. W
48 Flyguy1 : PVD 757: SYR-JFK is served 3x daily by B6 A320's.
49 PVD757 : OOOPS, sorry flyguy, that slipped my mind...let's substitute PWM for SYR then...
50 Jfklganyc : While I think this is great for JFK, I am cautiously optimistic. Delta has announced major expansion at Kennedy for years now, and for the most part,
51 STT757 : DL would relaunch flights to Tel Aviv before they launched flights to Asia from JFK, neither I think is on the horizon. I personaly love T-3, my Mom w
52 DCA-ROCguy : Am I missing something? Service to "New York" started only a year after Newark: EWR - February 1956 JFK - May 1957 LGA - October 1969 My bad, I had wi
53 Exusair : Anybody know what planes are coming out of the desert for these new flights? I thought everything that was in the desert was going to stay there perma
54 Deltaffindfw : I was also surprised to hear that no pilots will be re-hired. Is that a negotiating tactic?
55 Chepos : Finally Delta enters the Santo Domingo market, considering the big Dominican expat community in NYC the route should be successful. SJU I'm surprised
56 DeltaGuy : They're tryign to decide how many pilots to bring back, if I read right....look at the other thread on this. Hmmm, there's still some 767-200's and 73
57 Usnseallt82 : As I have discussed on some other thread, I wish DL would look into bringing back more service into DFW. Most of their flights connect in ATL, which I
58 JGPH1A : Don't get me wrong, I would love for the Worldport to remain standing, but when I went through a couple of years ago, it was pretty shabby - very dark
59 WorldTraveler : DL has excess pilots now because of the no layoff clause in the 2001 contract. Although there are pilots on furlough from 9/11, DL has not been succes
60 GARUDAROD : Where are the B757s coming from to operate the flights? Most of the new service was listed as B757. Does this mean that some of the aircraft that wer
61 Ord : With this expansion, Delta mainline at JFK will grow from 45 departures a day to 60. That's more than the pre-9/11 days - according to the June 2001 t
62 Post contains links STT757 : Most of the $300 Million will go towards improving the Air Conditioning, restrooms, ticket areas and fix the roadways. From the NY Daily News http://w
63 Post contains images ConcordeBoy : I doubt DL will ever fly from JFK (or anywhere really) to Asia again wait for PRC rights to be up for grabs... then try that statement again DL would
64 DIA : Don't think this was mentioned above . . . The Denver nonstops will be twice, daily. One during mid-day, the other a redeye. Probably 738s.
65 STT757 : "technically, they'd be doing both at once. Not sure if they'd waste their limited Triple7 inventory on a high-risk destination that they can just as
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