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Icy British Airports Today  
User currently offlineVSGirl From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (10 years 10 months 3 weeks 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 2789 times:

After our lovely weather over the past 24 hours a number of airports in the United Kingdom are now closed.

These include Southampton Intl, Birmingham Intl & Bournemouth.

Why is it in the UK whenever we have snow this happens but other countries can cope with it!?

Anyways I am going to build a snowman, see ya all  Big grin

Kimberly  Smile


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User currently offlineCKT789 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (10 years 10 months 3 weeks 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 2741 times:

Heard this morning that Luton, Stansted and Birmingham were going to try and reopen today. You'd think Luton would have learned about the fiasco last year with Easyjet.

User currently offlineN754pr From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (10 years 10 months 3 weeks 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 2698 times:

I'm British but I have to say the UK is a disaster when it comes to any kind of weather, too cold, too hot, too wet........

Its not that cold and there is not that much snow!!. The UK needs to think about this. Trains and roads are already a joke in the UK and when any kind of weather comes along..... STOP.

Out of interest, take a look at the arrivals from the UK to Hong Kong today:

07:45 CX 252 London/Heathrow Cathay Pacific Arr. gate 07:32
14:00 CX 250 London/Heathrow Cathay Pacific Arr. gate 14:32
14:10 BA 025 London/Heathrow British Airways Arr. gate 16:34
17:35 BA 027 London/Heathrow British Airways Cancelled
18:00 CX 254 London/Heathrow Cathay Pacific Estimated 19:35
18:10 VS 200 London/Heathrow Virgin Atlantic Cancelled

VS=CANCELLED
BA=one CANCELLED and one 2hr 20mins late
CX=One early, one 20 mins late and the third 1hr 35mins late.

Seems Cathay could handle the weather  Smile/happy/getting dizzy


User currently offlineBromma1968 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (10 years 10 months 3 weeks 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 2686 times:

Why not hire some Scotsmen do make some planning and preparations?

Anders


User currently offlineFritzi From United Arab Emirates, joined Jun 2001, 2762 posts, RR: 2
Reply 4, posted (10 years 10 months 3 weeks 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 2661 times:

Bromma1968,

They would probably do the planning at a pub after a few beers! I bet they would come up with some good ideas then.  Wink/being sarcastic


User currently offlineGordonsmall From UK - Scotland, joined Jun 2001, 2182 posts, RR: 21
Reply 5, posted (10 years 10 months 3 weeks 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 2635 times:

I'm afraid us Scotsmen are almost as useless when it comes to dealing with snow as our counterparts south of the border. Although I'm sure regardless of what happened we would find some excuse to make a lengthy trip to a local pub!

Yesterday for instance, here in the southwest we had a small amount of snow fall - it was all over by about 9am but hardly anyone went to work and most of the schools were either closed or were sent home!

Now, I drove from a fairly rural part of SW Scotland to Glasgow at the crack of dawn yesterday, and whilst I had to take my time it was in no way weather to start bringing the whole SW of the country to a virtual halt!

Maybe I've got a lack of fear and/or understanding but that's just my opinion.

Regards,
Gordon.



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User currently offlineIwantaBBJ From Switzerland, joined Jun 2002, 777 posts, RR: 4
Reply 6, posted (10 years 10 months 3 weeks 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 2521 times:
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Well, I was right in the middle of it all yesterday at LHR , wanting to fly back to ZRH on LX....

I was watching from a window at Terminal 2 when it all started, first, a flake or two and then suddendly it started to snow... heavy snow! Well, we were allowed to board but had to wait a total of about 100 minutes for deicing to arrive.. First, the cpt told us that we would have to wait 30 minutes, but after 40, he came over the PA to announce that we were still number 10 in the queue and that it will take another hour or so... Once the equipment was there, it took another say 20 minutes to de-ice our A321 HB-IOC.

Our captain explained the whole thing saying that LHR was short on de-icung-equipment as this sort of condition does not come often...

Positive side: At least we were able to depart  Wink/being sarcastic

Mike


User currently offlineSIMPLICITY From Hong Kong, joined Jan 2004, 136 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (10 years 10 months 3 weeks 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 2505 times:

Why the transport system in UK is so bloody crab?
Especially the train service, I am convinced that most of the people in UK have enough already!!

By the way, I ain't surprise that BA had cancelled a few flights to HKG, but CX didn't :-p


User currently offlinePe@rson From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2001, 19259 posts, RR: 52
Reply 8, posted (10 years 10 months 3 weeks 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 2477 times:

Yeah, it's very icy and cold here. *Brrrrr* (my impression of freezing, chattering teeth and all) Let's hope warmer weather soon arrives (probably mid-August, from minus 40 degrees C up to 0 degrees C - the height of summer) and changes the situation for all.


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User currently offlineDavid_itl From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2001, 7437 posts, RR: 13
Reply 9, posted (10 years 10 months 3 weeks 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 2471 times:
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As posted on pprune:

"The type of snow we get in the UK is generally of a different type to more snow prone countries. It is typically very wet snow. Not blowable, brushes sometimes do more harm than good, salting has a very limited effect when it snows as hard as it did this afternoon in the Bedfordshire, Hertfordshire and Essex regions. Very heavy, very wet snow.

Not the sort that has very good skid resitance when compact either so not an option to operate on compacted snow.

Typically we only get snow when it is within between about +2 and -5 degrees. Any colder and we don't often get snow. The problem comes when you have snow around sunset when the snow lays quickly but then the temperature drops lower and the slush freezes. Then it is very dificult to clear"

David


User currently offlineJGPH1A From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (10 years 10 months 3 weeks 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 2409 times:

David_itl - sounds like the old British Rail excuse - "It was the wrong kind of snow"  Smile/happy/getting dizzy

User currently offlineRichardw From United Kingdom, joined May 2001, 3762 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (10 years 10 months 3 weeks 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 2385 times:

Does anybody know of the most displaced aircraft and its location?



User currently offlineAnt72LBA From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2003, 414 posts, RR: 1
Reply 12, posted (10 years 10 months 3 weeks 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 2363 times:

Surely economics come into the equation. We simply do not get enough very cold weather and/or snow to make the purchase of sufficient equipment viable. The UK has a relatively benign climate that doesn't suffer from extremes of cold or heat, wet and mild would be an apt description. Somebody may be able to put some more exact figures on it than I can but I'd guess-timate that no more than 2,000 people were affected by delays/cancellations yesterday at LBA out of a total of 2,000,000 per annum. Would the majority of these (many summer tourist passengers) benefit from higher fares to pay for additional cold weather equipment?

I am surprised that BHX is still closed this morning as they've known for the past week exactly was coming so surely that would have been enough time for some emergency planning?


User currently offlineTrekster From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 13, posted (10 years 10 months 3 weeks 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 2326 times:

British rail excuses

"To cold"
"To Hot"
"Wrong kind of wind"
"Leaves on the Line"
"No Staff"
"Strike"
"Line Work"


User currently offlineSimon Cooper From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2000, 404 posts, RR: 1
Reply 14, posted (10 years 10 months 3 weeks 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 2260 times:

As passenger said to me on last nights EMA-DUB/ORK flight: (2 hours delayed)

'You (me) have had a week and a half to prepare for this weather!!'

Sorry, looks like it's all MY fault!!


User currently offlineArsenal@LHR From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2001, 7792 posts, RR: 19
Reply 15, posted (10 years 10 months 3 weeks 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 2219 times:
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Was at LHR sniffing around as usual until it started snowing heavily, and after my experience last year, i legged it home on the underground before the roads became gridlocked and the trains came to a halt. And half the stations on the Piccadilly line are overground (Earl's Court onwards).
Fact is, there are very few de-icers and runway gritters at British airports simply because we only need them once in a blue moon. That's still no excuse, remember last years chaos?



In Arsene we trust!!
User currently offlineRichardw From United Kingdom, joined May 2001, 3762 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (10 years 10 months 3 weeks 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 2165 times:

Surely the design for T5 at LHR includes for a bit of extra de icing equipment and with the arrival of the A380 at the other terminals the situation may improve in the long term.

User currently offlineN754pr From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 17, posted (10 years 10 months 3 weeks 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 2122 times:

Why is England working at going backwards??

User currently offlineJGPH1A From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 18, posted (10 years 10 months 3 weeks 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 2113 times:

It's called Privitisation - there's no such thing as society, so why do we need an infrastructure ?

User currently offlineRichardw From United Kingdom, joined May 2001, 3762 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (10 years 10 months 3 weeks 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 2086 times:

so the many capitalists can get from A to B in a reasonable time period and grow their businesses and create jobs.

User currently offlineXXXX10 From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2000, 777 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (10 years 10 months 3 weeks 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 2062 times:

How do they clear the ice form the runways and Taxiways?

Do they just use gritters?


User currently offlineJGPH1A From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 21, posted (10 years 10 months 3 weeks 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 2033 times:

Let the bloated plutocrats pay for their own deicing - its the law of supply and demand !

User currently offlineArsenal@LHR From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2001, 7792 posts, RR: 19
Reply 22, posted (10 years 10 months 3 weeks 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 2013 times:
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They remove the ice from the runways using specially-made 'ice removers' (big trucks with a 'scoop' at the front. Then the gritters come in and grit the runways, just dumping sand on it doesn't help in any way.




In Arsene we trust!!
User currently offlineLGW From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 23, posted (10 years 10 months 3 weeks 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 1989 times:

LGW also hit by some snow yesterday although not too badly.

We got div's from STN then we got shut and the STN a/c got stuck at our place Big grin

A photo I took the AM at a wintery Gatwick:-


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Ben Pritchard


User currently offlineJGPH1A From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 24, posted (10 years 10 months 3 weeks 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 1981 times:

How long was that 777 at LGW ? Long enough for it to get vandalised, it seems - these kids today !

25 Post contains images N754pr : Great reply JGPH1A
26 GDB : BA want £1M in compensation from LHR due to delays (BA had 137). Quite right too, they fleece us for landing fees and rent, yet after over a week of
27 Ba319-131 : Well I missed the snow,being in sunny,if cold Tokyo. Regarding the UK,IMHO the whole country is going to the dogs. Just my $0.02 cents.
28 Alcregular : In regards to the wrong type of snow: snow is snow, melts to water, how many types are there ? At the end of the day, it all melts down to the same th
29 Skywatcher : As a typical Canadian, with anti-freeze in his veins, I find this whole thread very amusing. By the way, there are many different types of snow. The I
30 Bromma1968 : Un Inuit pilot would probably have skis instead of wheels on his plane. Anders
31 Post contains images PKK : Think many more companies than BA are pretty p.... off with the handling of the "snow" in the UK. EMA stayed open yes but........... had to use all th
32 EZYAirbus : I think full credit should go to the guys at London Luton Airport, they were out within 5 minutes of the snow falling and were clearing the runway to
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