Beefer From United States of America, joined Jun 2003, 390 posts, RR: 0 Posted (10 years 1 month 1 week 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 4337 times:
NWA to keep Avros in Mesaba fleet
Liz Fedor, Star Tribune
Published January 31, 2004
Northwest Airlines will keep its four-engine Avro jets in the Mesaba Airlines fleet, a decision that means the smaller, regional carrier will not lose 40 percent of its revenue.
Mesaba is expected to formally announce Northwest's decision on the Avro next week.
An executive familiar with Northwest's decision said Friday afternoon: "A thorough study was completed and cost efficiencies were identified that allow Mesaba to continue flying the Avros for Northwest."
In response to the news about Northwest's decision, Mesaba's Jackson said, "We have not received any official notification from Northwest Airlines regarding the Avro decision."
Five of the 36 Avros were taken out of Mesaba's fleet in December and January, and they are parked in the Phoenix area.
Now that Northwest has decided to keep the Avros, two of those planes will be returned to Mesaba's schedule in April, and the other three planes will be back in service in June. No further details about the magnitude of the Avro cost savings were available Friday.
In mid-January, Robert Ashcroft, a UBS Investment Research analyst, said, "Northwest Airlines is on the hook for this aircraft whether it uses it or not." He estimated that Northwest has $494 million tied up in the financing of the Avros. Northwest leases 25 of the Avro RJ-85s and owns 11 of them.
"The likely revenue Northwest could expect from leasing the Avro out of the Northwest system would be unlikely to cover more than about half of what Northwest pays in rent and debt service," Ashcroft said in a report.
Northwest's service contract to fly Avros runs through April 25, 2007. That long-term contract has a clause that allows Northwest to terminate the contract early. Northwest could have severed the contract by giving notice in October, but it delayed its decision until December. Northwest postponed the Avro decision a second time, pushing it back until early this year to allow Mesaba time to settle its pilots' contract.
Acidradio From United States of America, joined Mar 2001, 1864 posts, RR: 10
Reply 1, posted (10 years 1 month 1 week 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 4252 times:
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Pilots threaten strike, shortly afterwards NWA threatens to "analyze cost effectiveness of RJ85 fleet." NWA claims that this has nothing to do with pilots threatening to strike. Pilots ratify new contract, ending possibilities of a strike. Barely a day later NWA decides the Avros should keep flying.
TOLtommy From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 3269 posts, RR: 4
Reply 3, posted (10 years 1 month 1 week 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 4095 times:
It's really no different than when unions atempt to get the cooling off period to end around a holiday. Negotiations are a game, and the side that plays it best wins. Looks like some Mesaba pilots got a good raise, Mesaba got to keep the jets (and the jobs they create), and NW got the same flying done for less. Hard to see a real loser here.
KaiGywer From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 12152 posts, RR: 36
Reply 4, posted (10 years 1 month 1 week 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 3982 times:
Now we just need to give those Avros a real make over since it is decided that they are staying. Most have a really bad paint job, and some the paint is even completely gone on some panels. Not to talk about the interior which has ripped seats, carpets, and seat pockets.
RockyRacoon From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 946 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (10 years 1 month 1 week 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 3910 times:
Yay! I'm glad I'll still get to see the little avros flying around. I suppose we'll finally get to see them in the new livery. Any news as to the CVG base/maintanence facility? Will these still be closed down?
MSPXJGuy From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 150 posts, RR: 2
Reply 10, posted (10 years 1 month 1 week 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 3722 times:
Think that the maint will still be handled out of company in CVG. Really ashame too. I much rather have my own company working on our planes then some other airline. Granted I don't know if there is any studies that its safer but its more pride if a company handles it and think there do a better job. Yes I know I have no solid evidence to back this all up and what not so no bashing messages!
Atcboy73 From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 1100 posts, RR: 3
Reply 14, posted (10 years 1 month 1 week 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 3543 times:
I got to ride on one of the RJ-85s from MEM to STL a few days ago, sitting in the first row in coach.
It was my first time and I found a few things surprising.
-There is no divider between coach and first class. I can understand why, but still it made for a tacky situation. I know I paid a coach fare and all I really expected was transportation from MEM to STL, and nothing more. This made for an odd scene after the pilot announced that due to rough air there would be no beverage service in the "main cabin".
-I was sitting right under the wing (LOVE that engine sound) and was really surprised to see how small the overhead bins were in that area. It makes since to me, but other people in the row couldn't understand why. One guy was trying to get his big roller bag up in there.
Overall it was a great flight and lots of fun to fly on an a/c I had never been on.
BTW, The interior seemed like it was in pretty good shape.
Redngold From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 6907 posts, RR: 47
Reply 18, posted (10 years 1 month 1 week 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 3369 times:
I was on an ARJ coming back home after winter break. It was a 19 minute flight, DTW-CLE, and a very comfortable one at that.
Someone had mentioned before how loud the hydraulics are when the gear and flaps are lowered for landing. Since I was under the wing, I got a good earful of this noise during my flight. Yes, it's loud -- but hey, that means the stuff is operational!
Also, just about three days ago, I was listening to a plane coming overhead on approach for landing on Runway 24L at CLE. As it got closer I heard this loud groaning sound, and I thought "that sounds like the Avro." You see, I was standing close to the reporting point, which is also where most of the pilots choose to lower their gear. And when it came into view, it was an Avro!
MSPXJGuy From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 150 posts, RR: 2
Reply 21, posted (10 years 1 month 1 week 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 3224 times:
We have a maint base in CVG and until just recently it was Mesaba Mechanics. Now they have some other company do certain maintenence there. Not sure who off the top of my head. Partly why CVG has so many ARJ flights into it out of MSP and assuming DTW. Granted we still have a lease on the hanger.
PSU.DTW.SCE From United States of America, joined Jan 2002, 7296 posts, RR: 28
Reply 24, posted (10 years 1 month 1 week 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 3165 times:
This news comes as no surprise. It was all a ploy toward the pilot's union. All the facts pointed toward the Arvo staying in the first place. Just a big chess match. It kinda stinks that this is what it came down to. It was never an issue about cost-effectiveness. Nothing changed about the aircraft to make it undesirable to fly. And its not like NW has other 70 seaters to fly.
Either way, I hope all this crap is over with. No more bickering among the unions. Hopefully management will shape up too. It would be nice for XJ to stop shrinking, and hopefully go into a growth mode soon. Some new aircraft would be nice too. Anyways, Mesaba can take the title of being the best turboprop operator and also operating the best RJ in the industry.