Mozart From Luxembourg, joined Aug 2003, 2007 posts, RR: 14 Reply 7, posted (9 years 3 months 3 weeks ago) and read 4228 times:
Another step for BEY to be a bit more "hubbish". What I am also glad about is that this will also change some people's (false) perceptions on BEY and Lebanon. With another prestigious international carrier going there, it surely cannot be that dump some people think it is.
Behramjee From Canada, joined Aug 2003, 4439 posts, RR: 43 Reply 9, posted (9 years 3 months 2 weeks 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 4180 times:
MEAs A 332 has a much better inflight product than ACs A 340/B 767s and any smart pax would prefer it as Eco class has tvs in every seat plus their A 332s are newer and I think that MEA has an even better J Class product on its A 332s than ACs Exec First on its A 340s.
Anyways if this flight is year round then 4 times a week is ample-perfect with the 280 seater A 343 which is better than ACs B 763ERs.
I wouldnt be surprised if this flight starts in YYZ and carries on to YUL then BEY nonstop like ACs Far East Asian flights with A 340s and B 763s which start in YYZ stop in YVR and then fly transpacific.
MEA321 From Lebanon, joined Oct 2003, 389 posts, RR: 18 Reply 11, posted (9 years 3 months 2 weeks 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 4150 times:
If this AC flight to Beirut were to become a reality, look for Northwest to join the party. Currently there are 3 daily flights between DTW and YUL, all on small DC9's, so NW would need to upgrade its capacity along this route. Northwest will upgrade to a 757 or A320 most likely to better serve the connecting pax. Also look for AC to add a flight to DTW from YUL, currently they don't fly this route. It will be interesting to see what happens.
Yegbey01 From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 1678 posts, RR: 3 Reply 12, posted (9 years 3 months 2 weeks 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 4133 times:
Easy here. There are only so many seats on the plane. There are Lebanese pax who would want connect from all over Canada and the US if this flight come to fruition.
The intent of the YUL-BEY flights is to serve the local community. Getting more connecting pax will water down the profitability of the flight. AC would rather fill the plane with mostly O&D.
Last year, the flights were priced so cheap. I suspect this will be the case this year as well. AC will have no problem filling the plane, but as we have all discussed before, the majority of the pax are VFR...
MEA321 From Lebanon, joined Oct 2003, 389 posts, RR: 18 Reply 14, posted (9 years 3 months 2 weeks 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 4084 times:
AC is running a business, not a convenience service. At the end of the day, they want to fill seats on every flight whether the pax are connecting from DTW, YUL, JFK, or YEG! It doesnt matter where the pax are coming from. Your statement about "watering down profitability" is unfounded im afraid to say.
FLYYUL From Italy, joined Jun 2000, 4930 posts, RR: 53 Reply 15, posted (9 years 3 months 2 weeks 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 4071 times:
When the flights were first announced, there were connex pax from almost everywhere. Montreal-Lebanon is not enough in terms of O&D to guarantee the flight.
Having worked at NW/CO, there were a lot of angry pax who found out the day of departure that YULBEY was terminated. We got like 20-30 connex pax projected, all of which have to be re-accomodated, primarily via YYZ where there is more space to Europe in the summer.
FLYACYYZ From Canada, joined Jan 2004, 1914 posts, RR: 12 Reply 21, posted (9 years 3 months 2 weeks 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 3962 times:
This always seems to be the "hot" AC topic on A.Net.
BA - Regarding the A340. Highly unlikely unless following the exit from CCAA (Bankruptcy Protection), the A340-500's are liberated from Toulouse, and the A340-600's follow their scheduled delivery patterns. Even still, there is such an equipment shortage, that routes to Asia that operated with A340-300's last year are being saddled down with B767-300's this year. Given yield and profit margins, if A340's of any series materialize, they would first be deployed as follows:
YYZ-SCL-EZE (Reinstated route Dec/03. Load factor in the high 90's)
KEVIN - The BEY route will save the company from bankruptcy? Full flights do not mean revenue-generating flights. It takes more than one route to sustain a company, and I can think of a dozen routes over the years that have been pulled despite being full. Here's a few:
YYZ-BOM-SIN (via LHR)
YVR-TPE (Reinstated for S2004)
YYZ-CPH & MAD (This year alledgedly over equipment shortage)
YYZ-GLA & MAN & ZRH (All seasonal, and MAN now handed over to BD. Even through the winter when GLA/MAN operated circle route, virtually 100% full)
The whole BEY topic...can't wait to see how it evolves!!
FLYYUL From Italy, joined Jun 2000, 4930 posts, RR: 53 Reply 23, posted (9 years 3 months 2 weeks 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 3930 times:
On the above mentionned list,
I cant understand how in the eyes of AC, that YULBEY can show more promise than YULTLV.
The Montreal jewish community is estimated at almost 100,000 persons. The Lebanese right near 60,000. Each are growing at same paces according to the latest statcan reports.
When AC operated the flights, it did a 5 weekly split YYZ, and 2 weekly split to YUL. It then transferred all flights to YYZ.. YUL was left with nothing. Not to mention that El Al pulled out SPECIFICALLY due to Air Canada's capacity additions.