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DL And CO The Only Two Operators Of The 767-400ER?  
User currently offlineJkw777 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (10 years 7 months 3 weeks 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 4472 times:

Hi all,

Just looking through the photo database and a question came up.

So are DL and CO the only two operators of the 767-400ER? Is this true?


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User currently offlineCancidas From Poland, joined Jul 2003, 4112 posts, RR: 11
Reply 1, posted (10 years 7 months 3 weeks 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 4445 times:

soon to include LOT polish airlines, but only in my flight sim world...  Big grin


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User currently offline777ER From New Zealand, joined Dec 2003, 12171 posts, RR: 17
Reply 2, posted (10 years 7 months 3 weeks 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 4442 times:
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Yes it is true. Boeing built the B764ERs as a replacement for CO's and DL's old DC10s. The B764ER was specially built to suit CO's and DL's needs

User currently offlineGigneil From United States of America, joined Nov 2002, 16347 posts, RR: 84
Reply 3, posted (10 years 7 months 3 weeks 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 4438 times:

Heh... Justin do a quick search for 764 and 767-400ER and so on, and you will find no less than 10 million recent threads about why only DL and CO operate the plane.

N


User currently offlineKomododx From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (10 years 7 months 3 weeks 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 4436 times:

I had been asking myself this question too for a while. I've never seen the planes either.

And another question, what is the difference between 764 and 772?

KdX in TLH / FLL


User currently offlineAA737-823 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 5831 posts, RR: 11
Reply 5, posted (10 years 7 months 3 weeks 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 4388 times:

To answer your question, Komododx, well... quite obviously, one is a 767 while the other is a 777.

Now, that entails several things. First, as you probably already realize, the two share nothing in common- save manufacturer. The 777 has a longer range. It has the potential of carrying more passengers. Although, one of the 764 operators (I think Delta, pretty sure) has their 764 configured with more seats than their 777.

That's a start.

R


User currently offlineDeltaMD11 From United States of America, joined Dec 2002, 1701 posts, RR: 34
Reply 6, posted (10 years 7 months 3 weeks 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 4377 times:

"Yes it is true. Boeing built the B764ERs as a replacement for CO's and DL's old DC10s. The B764ER was specially built to suit CO's and DL's needs"

Sort of. They were to replace CO's DC-10's and DL's L1011's.



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User currently offlineJkw777 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (10 years 7 months 3 weeks 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 4366 times:

Heh... Justin do a quick search for 764 and 767-400ER and so on, and you will find no less than 10 million recent threads about why only DL and CO operate the plane.

Oh I'm so sorry...

How many 764's to CO and DL operate each?

And another question, what is the difference between 764 and 772?

Would be interesting to see the differences also  Smile

Thanks for everyone that helped.

Justin  Big thumbs up


User currently offlineGigneil From United States of America, joined Nov 2002, 16347 posts, RR: 84
Reply 8, posted (10 years 7 months 3 weeks 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 4345 times:

No reason to be sarcastic, the point I was trying to make was helpful. Last week or so there were literally 10 simultaneous threads, that include all the information you're seeking here.

The search function is a great resource for quickly answering your questions with a minimum of effort.

N


User currently offlineJkw777 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (10 years 7 months 3 weeks 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 4319 times:

No reason to be sarcastic, the point I was trying to make was helpful. Last week or so there were literally 10 simultaneous threads, that include all the information you're seeking here.

The search function is a great resource for quickly answering your questions with a minimum of effort.


I wasn't being sarcastic mate  Laugh out loud

Boeing built the B764ERs as a replacement for CO's and DL's old DC10s. The B764ER was specially built to suit CO's and DL's needs

Would of been kind of nice of Boeing to do such a thing wouldn't it?!  Wink/being sarcastic

Justin  Big thumbs up


User currently offlineConcordeBoy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (10 years 7 months 3 weeks 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 4294 times:

Would of been kind of nice of Boeing to do such a thing wouldn't it?!

Boeing actually had little initial desire to build the 764ER at that time... it tried very hard to sell the 772A to DL and CO, but they werent havin' it.


User currently offlineFrontiers4ever From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 173 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (10 years 7 months 3 weeks 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 4213 times:

If memory serves me correctly didnt the US Airforce order a -400 for testing of some sorts? I could be wrong please correct my if im wrong.

-Frontiers4ever



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User currently offlineConcordeBoy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (10 years 7 months 3 weeks 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 4206 times:

Yes they did.

ILFC and GECAS were former customers to boot.


User currently offlineKomododx From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 13, posted (10 years 7 months 3 weeks 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 4122 times:

Thanks AA737-823

But wouldn't it have been just easier for DL and CO to order 772s or 3s for that matter?

KdX in TLH / FLL


User currently offlineContinentalFan From United States of America, joined Oct 2000, 357 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (10 years 7 months 3 weeks 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 4068 times:

Komododx,

A 772 would probably be too much plane for the routes the 764s are used on. Both carriers already fly 772s, I think they were looking for something smaller/lighter/cheaper to run.


User currently offlineAA767400 From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 2363 posts, RR: 26
Reply 15, posted (10 years 7 months 3 weeks 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 4066 times:

Yes, If only AA would replace the bus with a nice fleet of 34 764's. But no
commonality and no cargo space.  Sad



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User currently offlineThrust From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 2690 posts, RR: 10
Reply 16, posted (10 years 7 months 3 weeks 4 days ago) and read 3877 times:

The 764ER was an L-1011 replacement for Delta. Though it is capable of much more than the L-1011. CO uses their 764ER's to their full potential, operating them overseas; they were DC-10-30 replacements. Delta's 764ERs serve only domestic routes. But Delta doesn't need them internationally. Their 763ER's and Boeing 777's already adequately fulfill that role. Though maybe Delta might consider adding the 764ER to their international system. It has over a 5,000 nautical mile range. But I don't think DL is likely to do this. CO and DL may always be the only operators of this aircraft. With the coming of the 7E7, I doubt the 764ER is going to gain much more ground in its share of the market.


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User currently offlineEddieDude From Mexico, joined Nov 2003, 7582 posts, RR: 42
Reply 17, posted (10 years 7 months 3 weeks 4 days ago) and read 3849 times:

I recall the other threads about the 764 but I am not sure whether there were carriers from Africa also operating this aircraft. Does anyone know?


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User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32789 posts, RR: 72
Reply 18, posted (10 years 7 months 3 weeks 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 3817 times:

Ethiopian has/is getting them. I already see them scheduled on thier ADD-FCO-EWR-IAD runs later this year.


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User currently offlineGigneil From United States of America, joined Nov 2002, 16347 posts, RR: 84
Reply 19, posted (10 years 7 months 3 weeks 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 3791 times:

Though it is capable of much more than the L-1011.

Nuh uh... The L-1011-500 is a more capable plane than the 767-400ER, especially in cargo uplift and range departments.

N


User currently offlineConcordeBoy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 20, posted (10 years 7 months 3 weeks 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 3746 times:

Ethiopian has/is getting them. I already see them scheduled on thier ADD-FCO-EWR-IAD runs later this year.

Nope. Though I understand why you might think this.

For whatever reason, since 2002... ET has off-and-on had the 764 in their schedules. However, they didnt order it (both they, KQ, and AT were all thought to be future operators... KQ chose the 772ER and AT went for the 763ER).

Since ILFC and GECAS no longer hold their original 764ER orders, there's really no way ET can have them for the schedule they constantly propose.


User currently offlineETStar From Canada, joined Jan 2004, 2103 posts, RR: 7
Reply 21, posted (10 years 7 months 3 weeks 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 3668 times:

Ethiopian Airlines has not ordered nor is operating any 767-400s on its ADD-FCO-EWR-IAD runs. I have seen this mistake on the Amadeus timetable for a while... ET only operates 767-300s from that family of aircraft (some leased, some owned). It is to be noted that it is acquiring 6 767-300s with the first one (Et-ALJ) already flying in the airline's new colours. As for Kenya Airways, they had initially placed for the -400ER (or one with a longer range) but since Boeing was unable to get additional orders, they settled for ordering the 777, which they will start operating some time next year.

User currently offlineConcordeBoy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 22, posted (10 years 7 months 3 weeks 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 3642 times:

but since Boeing was unable to get additional orders

...not so much that as the fact that the 764ERX engine was to be that of the (1st of the) defunct 747 stretch. Boeing decided to build the 772LR with only three initial orders from BR!*


*though, the case can also be made that they see much more potential in this model than the 764ERX


User currently offlineNlink From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 313 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (10 years 7 months 3 weeks 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 3597 times:

This topic is getting almost as popular as NW DC9's

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