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EI To Cut 'Premier Economy' On Most Flights  
User currently offlineSabena 690 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (10 years 5 months 3 weeks 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 3070 times:

Following a comprehensive review of custumor demand for Premier Class (Business Class) services within Europe, Aer Lingus has taken the decision to reduce the number of routes on which Premier class is offered.

Effective march 1st 2004, Aer Lingus will offer Premier Class within continental Europe on the following routes ONLY:

Dublin - Amsterdam
Dublin - Brussels
Dublin - Frankfurt

Source: EI newsletter 29 jan 2004.

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I guess the 3 above airports must get quite some high yield since premier economy isn't cut on those flights? Even BRU where EI has to compete with Ryanair...

I'm surprised that DUB-LHR isn't mentioned. How will the BA high yield business pax connecting to DUB react? Will BA maintain the codeshare with EI? Both airlines have a very different approach towards on board service...

Regards
Frederic

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User currently offlineLanAlemania From Germany, joined Oct 2003, 191 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (10 years 5 months 3 weeks 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 2972 times:

This step would fit to their new concept of becoming an LCC. I think it's really sad, but if they will become a "full" LCC, they won't fit to the other oneworld-airlines any more.

User currently offlineLJ From Netherlands, joined Nov 1999, 4401 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (10 years 5 months 3 weeks 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 2922 times:

I'm surprised that DUB-LHR isn't mentioned.

The reason is that LHR is not a continental European destination and thus doesn't belong in the list with the three other destinations


User currently offlineRyanair737 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (10 years 5 months 3 weeks 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 2875 times:

What is EI's service like on long-haul flights, have they cut back?

Ryanair737


User currently offlineShamrock_747 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (10 years 5 months 3 weeks 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 2857 times:

There are no longer free alcoholic drinks in the economy cabin of Aer Lingus flights between Ireland and the US.

User currently offlineBa319-131 From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2001, 8484 posts, RR: 55
Reply 5, posted (10 years 5 months 3 weeks 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 2835 times:
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To be honest,flying LHR-DUB is just like LHR-EDI,it won't make much if any difference to be honest.

Like most BA Exec pax on short haul like this,the most relaxing/best part is the BA Terraces lounges,they are superb.



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User currently offlineTrident2e From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (10 years 5 months 3 weeks 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 2776 times:

Ba319-131: you're certainly correct that the best part of flying BA's domestic routes is the visit to the Terraces lounge - it's certainly not the flight itself as BA is woefully lacking when compared to bmi's domestic business class product (and for a lower fare than BA's flexible, risk of sitting in the middle seat fare).

User currently offlineDmerinop From Spain, joined Dec 2003, 160 posts, RR: 11
Reply 7, posted (10 years 5 months 3 weeks 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 2735 times:

What´s happening with AerLingus??? First they charge for every drink in every single flight (including transanlantic) and no meals in domestic & european flights, no Premier class in any european route (expect the three mentioned before)... what´s next???

Dani


User currently offlineTWAL1011 From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 202 posts, RR: 1
Reply 8, posted (10 years 5 months 3 weeks 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 2650 times:

What's next?

Aer Lingus has thrived in recent years by increasing traffic with rock bottom fares. It is simply the way aviation is headed. Aer Lingus is doubling its route structure, renewing their fleet and enjoying profits while travelers have access to low fares on nonstop flights to more and more destinations.

The days of free drinks, perks and high customer service have been overthrown by customers who demand low fare service.



User currently offlineDmerinop From Spain, joined Dec 2003, 160 posts, RR: 11
Reply 9, posted (10 years 5 months 3 weeks 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 2554 times:

But AerLingus is a National airline like BA, AF, IB... and has to compete with that type of quality...
Low prices? Well meaby in some routes or when you get a good offer but I was looking to go AGP-DUB and worked out cheaper with CityJet (AF) and you get far more service than AerLingus.

Dani


User currently offlineSabena 690 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (10 years 5 months 3 weeks 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 2538 times:

They still have those annoying booking rules for the cheapest fares like a 'Sunday rule' and a minimum stay of 2 days in the week.

Are they going to change those?

Frederic


User currently offlineBy738 From Tonga, joined Sep 2000, 2259 posts, RR: 1
Reply 11, posted (10 years 5 months 3 weeks 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 2497 times:

And so they should, the service is crap, and not worthy of a business class title

User currently offlineKaitak From Ireland, joined Aug 1999, 12407 posts, RR: 37
Reply 12, posted (10 years 5 months 3 weeks 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 2395 times:

Aer Lingus is finally doing what an airline should be doing: putting backsides on seats and flying more planes to more destinations. It's the only major European flag carrier which has successfully transformed itself this way; others will have to follow.

Ultimately, much as I like wide seats, sleeperettes, yada yada, yada . . . flying people at an economic cost is what airlines exist for, not to serve meals.

Good luck to them (although they seem to be enjoying plenty of it already).


User currently offlineStyles From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 89 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (10 years 5 months 3 weeks 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 2370 times:

EI should change the DUB LHR service to a shuttle like the BOS/LGA/DCA route operated by US & DL. Their A320s have terrible configurations for seat pitch.

Also, does anyone else know of a worse frequent flyer program than the one EI operates? If so, I would like to see it.


User currently offlineDstc47 From Ireland, joined Sep 1999, 1461 posts, RR: 3
Reply 14, posted (10 years 5 months 3 weeks 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 2320 times:

" Their A320s have terrible configurations for seat pitch. "

Wait until you experience the even tighter seating envisaged on their future Airbuses, which will be delivered later this year.

For the record Premier Class is to be retained to
AMS,BRU,FRA,EDI,GLA,MAN & BHX (plus transatlantic services) according to a letter from EI, issued to frequent fliers yesterday.

Interesting that CDG does not rate Premier class.


User currently offlineDstc47 From Ireland, joined Sep 1999, 1461 posts, RR: 3
Reply 15, posted (10 years 5 months 3 weeks 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 2297 times:

Sorry forgot LHR in the list above.

User currently offlineEIPremier From United States of America, joined Sep 2000, 1545 posts, RR: 1
Reply 16, posted (10 years 5 months 3 weeks 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 2283 times:

Premier class on short-haul flights is nothing to write home about as it is. As far as I'm concerned, they can do away with it. However, Aer Lingus still has a very competitive business class on its trans-atlantic routes.

User currently offlineTrident2e From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 17, posted (10 years 5 months 3 weeks 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 2222 times:

Sabena 690 - I recently booked a day trip with Aer Lingus MAN/DUB/MAN and the fare was a rock bottom £22 + tax. No minimum stay was required.

User currently offlineSabena 690 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 18, posted (10 years 5 months 3 weeks 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 2205 times:

@Trident2e

It varies from route to route. They do not have it on a few routes in direct competition with Ryanair (also flying DUB-MAN).

The cheapest BRU-DUB day-return on EI costs about €360. If you count in a saturday night, the price goes down to about €90/100.

I flew FR EDI-DUB-EDI this summer for €35. It was during the week with one night between the flights. During the week, EI wanted that you stayed two nights so the cheapest fare they offered me was around €300.

Besides DUB-MAN, another example is DUB-SNN (no restrictions on this route also).

Frederic


User currently offlineCedarjet From United Kingdom, joined May 1999, 8045 posts, RR: 54
Reply 19, posted (10 years 5 months 3 weeks 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 2180 times:

Who gives a shit about business class on anything under an hour? The UK flights are all about 40 mins, NW Europe are about 70 mins. Oh jeez, I need a sleeperette! Yeah right. Nice to see Aer Lingus conforming to the actual needs of their customers (ie cheap and reliable) instead of clinging to sacred cows from the past (ie free booze, free food, "business class" etc). For a minute back there I thought they were going the way of Swissair and Sabena. Lucky Ireland, they got to keep their airline after all. Phew.


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User currently offlineCarfield From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 1884 posts, RR: 9
Reply 20, posted (10 years 5 months 3 weeks 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 2142 times:

Disappointing move -- but no surprise...

EI has been moving towards a LCC... and "Premier" European service is nothing to write home about. They get the convertible seats but the meals are pretty dismal... only breakfast and dinner are served in a tray, but lunch is a sandwich bag... like a fancy version of American Airlines' "Bistro" bag served in the Y class domestic market. The EI lounge is pretty awful in LHR... it is a room with no window, limited beverage and snack selection. The EI lounge at DUB is better, but still no "real" food... only biscuits... pretty poor in today's standard.

If you have to fly European J, I will choose BA over EI, especially LHR-Ireland service.

I guess people buy J these days for the flexibility of the fares and within short notice.

Carfield


User currently offlineStar_world From Ireland, joined Jun 2001, 1234 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (10 years 5 months 3 weeks 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 2116 times:

If you have to fly European J, I will choose BA over EI, especially LHR-Ireland service.

This doesn't leave you with much of a choice, all Irish flights out of LHR are with EI rather than BA, they just have codeshares on the EI flights. The other point you make about buying J (actually C on most flights in Europe these days) fares for flexibility doesn't really make any difference - this same flexibility is available on full Y fares on EI, for example.


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