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Delta Air Lines In Discussions With MEA  
User currently offlineBA From United States of America, joined May 2000, 11151 posts, RR: 59
Posted (10 years 2 months 3 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 5165 times:

Delta Air Lines' Vice President of Public Relations was in Beirut recently and met MEA chairman Mohammad El-Hout. They had a 4-hour conference in MEA's headquarters. Several other Delta officials came along as well. Not sure what they were talking about, but in October, El-Hout said that a couple airlines will be discussing code-shares and other agreements with MEA.

Anyone think Delta wants a code-share with MEA? Perhaps because of MEA's Skyteam entrance in November.....

Regards


"Generosity is giving more than you can, and pride is taking less than you need." - Khalil Gibran
29 replies: All unread, showing first 25:
 
User currently offlineBehramjee From Canada, joined Aug 2003, 4716 posts, RR: 44
Reply 1, posted (10 years 2 months 3 weeks 1 hour ago) and read 5111 times:

I know what DL wants...it wants to codeshare on MEAs CDG-BEY-CDG flights and in return get MEA to code share on its mutiple daily CDG-JFK-CDG + CDG-ATL-CDG + CDG-CIN-CDG flights.

From ATL, MEA might too codeshare on DLs ATL-DTW flights and ATL-LAX and ATL-DFW/IAH flights!!!

I bet that is what DL is interested in doing as they know that it will be a long time until MEA is allowed direct access by the US Govt for flights from BEY to NYC and DTW.


User currently offlineScottysAir From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (10 years 2 months 3 weeks ago) and read 5074 times:

Hey BA,

Where did you get hear about DL into their conference with MEA. So I would will able join with skyteam alliances for them. How can you will think about of those airlines to join them.


User currently offlineBA From United States of America, joined May 2000, 11151 posts, RR: 59
Reply 3, posted (10 years 2 months 3 weeks ago) and read 5064 times:

ScottyAir,

I got this info from an MEA insider. MEA will be joining Skyteam in November as an associate member through their partnership with Air France.

Regards



"Generosity is giving more than you can, and pride is taking less than you need." - Khalil Gibran
User currently offlineScottysAir From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (10 years 2 months 3 weeks ago) and read 5054 times:

Ah! I see about them and thanks for telling me with the news of MEA. It would be wonderful to hear with other airlines to join with Skyteam alliances.

User currently offlineMEA321 From Lebanon, joined Oct 2003, 389 posts, RR: 16
Reply 5, posted (10 years 2 months 3 weeks ago) and read 5037 times:

BA,

You always surprise us with new information, where did you hear about this meeting? Where did you hear that Skyteam will be finalized in November?



MEA321
User currently offlineBA From United States of America, joined May 2000, 11151 posts, RR: 59
Reply 6, posted (10 years 2 months 3 weeks ago) and read 5010 times:

MEA321,

As I said in my reply to ScottysAir, from an MEA insider.

Skyteam was also mentioned by MEA330 who works for MEA.

Regards



"Generosity is giving more than you can, and pride is taking less than you need." - Khalil Gibran
User currently offlineAirxLiban From Lebanon, joined Oct 2003, 4504 posts, RR: 54
Reply 7, posted (10 years 2 months 2 weeks 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 4961 times:

How did the VP of PR of DL get to Beirut? On an Air France flight?

This should be the last word for all the naysayers who think that Delta would never want to codeshare with an airline from the Mid East.

طيران الشرق الاوسط الخطوط الجوية اللبنانية

Does the above show for you guys?



PARIS, FRANCE...THE BEIRUT OF EUROPE.
User currently offlineYegbey01 From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 1721 posts, RR: 3
Reply 8, posted (10 years 2 months 2 weeks 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 4946 times:

BA,

Looks like you've got the inside scoop on MEA pretty good. Not surprising that they are talking. But wil see what it measn at the end.


User currently offlineBA From United States of America, joined May 2000, 11151 posts, RR: 59
Reply 9, posted (10 years 2 months 2 weeks 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 4931 times:

AirxLiban,

Probably an AF.

It shows for me because I have Arabic font installed on my computer, but it won't show for everyone.

Tayaran Al-Sharq Al-Owsut Al-Khoutout Al-Jowiyeh Al-Lubnaniya

Exact translation:
Airlines East Middle Lines Air Lebanese

Readable translation:

Middle East Airlines/Air Liban

Regards



"Generosity is giving more than you can, and pride is taking less than you need." - Khalil Gibran
User currently offlineBA From United States of America, joined May 2000, 11151 posts, RR: 59
Reply 10, posted (10 years 2 months 2 weeks 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 4923 times:

Yegbey01,

This insider will be joining Airliners.net soon. So I will be nothing soon. You'll want to fire me as your MEA news provider.  Big grin

Regards



"Generosity is giving more than you can, and pride is taking less than you need." - Khalil Gibran
User currently offlineYegbey01 From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 1721 posts, RR: 3
Reply 11, posted (10 years 2 months 2 weeks 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 4865 times:

BA,

You will always be on top of the list when it comes to interesting news regarding MEA.

By the way, have you looked at the BA (KJ) fligth schedule this summer to BEY. 10 weekly flights (5 321's and 5 320's).
I figured they would upgrade the service to two dailies for the sumer....


User currently offlineBA From United States of America, joined May 2000, 11151 posts, RR: 59
Reply 12, posted (10 years 2 months 2 weeks 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 4821 times:

Yegbey01,

Really? Last summer they operated 11x weekly.

I will take a good look. Last summer it was mostly A320s. Perhaps also a few of the flights do not continue to AMM and DAM. I'll take a look.

Regards



"Generosity is giving more than you can, and pride is taking less than you need." - Khalil Gibran
User currently offlineDeltaSFO From United States of America, joined Nov 2000, 2488 posts, RR: 23
Reply 13, posted (10 years 2 months 2 weeks 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 4771 times:

It's all but a done deal.


It's a new day. Every moment matters. Now, more than ever.
User currently offlineMEA310 From Lebanon, joined Feb 2002, 660 posts, RR: 12
Reply 14, posted (10 years 2 months 2 weeks 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 4664 times:

Very interseting news BA,though you're abroad you seem to be much into knowing more about ME), Brazil">MEA's activities!(thanks for that insider!)
Hope those ME-DL discussions will be made public soon.

A question for MEA330 if it happens that you're reading this:

I've been spotting an MEA330 doing touch & go's for over two hours now,any words on that?
Is it some training session?


MEA310



M5 Fastest Sedan On Earth
User currently offlineMEA321 From Lebanon, joined Oct 2003, 389 posts, RR: 16
Reply 15, posted (10 years 2 months 2 weeks 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 4604 times:

MEA310,

MEA330 posts very few times, but I will try to answer the questions for you. Anytime you see an airliner doing touch and go's at an airport in its country more than twice then you know its probably training and not something wrong with the plane.

Touch and go's are not necessarily landing practice also, they could be certifying the MEA pilots for CATIII ILS operations (landing in zero-zero conditions). Sometimes touch and go's are also done after maintenence has been performed on a plane, among other reasons. Hope that helps...

MEA321



MEA321
User currently offlineFLYSSC From France, joined Aug 2003, 7379 posts, RR: 57
Reply 16, posted (10 years 2 months 2 weeks 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 4533 times:

MEA's intention to join SkyTeam was again clearly expressed by Mohamad A. El-Hout (MEA's Chairman) in "CEDAR WINGS" (MEA's Inflight Magazine - Dec/Jan edition p.107 ).

P.Alexandre (AF N°2 Manager) spent a week in Beiru last November. As Delta is the other founder member of SkyTeam, there is nothing strange that their manager is in BEY for final talks with MEA.

Same things are currently in progress with Aeroflot, who officially claimed for membership last January 29th.


User currently offlineTu154m From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 673 posts, RR: 5
Reply 17, posted (10 years 2 months 2 weeks 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 4469 times:

DL also has been pursuing Emirates very heavily lately........esp since JFK-DXB will be up and running later. Will this effect their relations with El Al in any way.......I know El Al burnt a few bridges over the holiday season with their overbookings from EWR!!!
S



CEOs should swim with cement flippers!
User currently offlineMEA310 From Lebanon, joined Feb 2002, 660 posts, RR: 12
Reply 18, posted (10 years 2 months 2 weeks 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 4434 times:

MEA321

Thought I'd ask MEA330 since he's an insider.I never thought there was a problem with the plane,it was clearly training purposes since they performed several touch&go's.


MEA310



M5 Fastest Sedan On Earth
User currently offlineBA From United States of America, joined May 2000, 11151 posts, RR: 59
Reply 19, posted (10 years 2 months 2 weeks 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 4409 times:

FLYSSC,

I have just found out today that the Vice President of Public Relations was in Beirut in November. Probably the same time the Air France officials were there.

I heard that a code-share is on the way.



"Generosity is giving more than you can, and pride is taking less than you need." - Khalil Gibran
User currently offlineBA From United States of America, joined May 2000, 11151 posts, RR: 59
Reply 20, posted (10 years 2 months 2 weeks 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 4297 times:

MEA310,

Which runway were the MEA touch-and-goes landing on?

Regards



"Generosity is giving more than you can, and pride is taking less than you need." - Khalil Gibran
User currently offlineMEA310 From Lebanon, joined Feb 2002, 660 posts, RR: 12
Reply 21, posted (10 years 2 months 2 weeks 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 4268 times:

BA

I believe it was the usual rwy17, unless rwy18 is still operating which I highly doubt.I spotted this session from home with my binocular Big grin

MEA310



M5 Fastest Sedan On Earth
User currently offlineBA From United States of America, joined May 2000, 11151 posts, RR: 59
Reply 22, posted (10 years 2 months 2 weeks 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 4240 times:

Runway 18/36 is still operating, but not very much anymore. This summer, I saw MEA A330 touch and goes on runway 18.

Regards



"Generosity is giving more than you can, and pride is taking less than you need." - Khalil Gibran
User currently offlineYegbey01 From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 1721 posts, RR: 3
Reply 23, posted (10 years 2 months 2 weeks 6 days ago) and read 4176 times:

What are the possible scenarios:

DL codesharing on MEA's flights from CDG, FRA, MXP and FCO? And possibly MEA's flights to DXB, AUH? It's been discussed here that DL's flights to IST are coordinated already with MEA's flights there.

But, I am still wondering what MEA can offer DL (or Skyteam in general) since the MEA operation out of BEY is a bit sporadic and does not operate as a hub and spoke. And most airports in the middle east do get good service by AZ, AF and KLM.

As it is, BEY is well served by SkyTeam carriers: OK, AZ, AF and KL and Aeroflot which will be joining soon.

Is there a possibility that some of the SKyTeam carriers might decide to pull out of BEY??? For instance, AZ.... or maybe MEA could pull out of MXP,FCO and transfer the aircraft to boost service to points withinn the middle east...







User currently offlineBA From United States of America, joined May 2000, 11151 posts, RR: 59
Reply 24, posted (10 years 2 months 2 weeks 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 4145 times:

Yegbey01,

MEA does operate a hub-and-spoke system, and it is an efficient one. Flights are few, but it's still a hub-and-spoke system. They are far from being sporadic. MEA was sporadic before 1998 during the 707 days when they operated a bunch of 1x weekly routes.

It is true that most airports in the Middle East are served well by AZ, AF, and KLM, but the idea is to provide passengers even more options.

I think MEA will be most valuable to Delta. It will greatly expand Delta's realm into the Middle East.

I don't think Skyteam carriers will pull out of BEY. The flights are profitable.

Air France started with A310s and now is flying daily 777s. Czech Airlines is now flying 4x weekly 737-400. Alitalia is now flying 8x weekly A320. They all do very well.

I don't think MEA will pull out of MXP and FCO. The idea of an alliance/partnership is for airlines to cooperate with each other. That's why you see both Air France and MEA jointly operating CDG-BEY and code-sharing with each other.

MEA recently increased FCO/MXP frequency from 3x weekly to 4x weekly, so they must be happy with it.

Alitalia is increasing Beirut from daily to 8x weekly A320 soon.

Aeroflot is increasing BEY from 2x weekly (non-stop inbound, one-stop outbound via DAM) to 3x weekly non-stop (non-stop on both inbound and outbound) TU-154.

Perhaps because of Aeroflot's planned entrance into Skyteam?

Regards



"Generosity is giving more than you can, and pride is taking less than you need." - Khalil Gibran
25 Yegbey01 : BA, Don't get me wrong here. I am just trying to analyze the benefits to MEA after joining SKyTeam. They will definitely have some options which they
26 BA : Yegbey01, If you would like to know MEA's fleet expansion plans email me. There are plans, but it is too early for me to mention them here in the foru
27 Yegbey01 : BA, That's exactly my point! With the 9 aircraft that MEA currently operates, they are running too thin to launch service to new destinations during t
28 BA : Yegbey01, It looks like CPH and DUS will be seasonal. However, even with DUS and CPH operating, they can still offer more frequencies to the Middle Ea
29 BA : By the way, I think Delta will code-share on MEA's IST-BEY since they already do some unofficial cooperation on Delta's JFK-IST and MEA's IST-BEY serv
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