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User currently offlineIslandboy From Bahamas, joined Dec 2003, 165 posts, RR: 0
Posted (10 years 2 months 2 weeks 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 15792 times:

Who do you think is the safest Airline in the World? The one with either no crashes/accidents or who crashed a long time ago and now have a good safety record.


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User currently offlineNIKV69 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (10 years 2 months 2 weeks 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 15679 times:

Has to be Qantas, without question..

User currently offlineTriJetFan1 From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 1128 posts, RR: 7
Reply 2, posted (10 years 2 months 2 weeks 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 15657 times:
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Statistically- Qantas and Virgin Atlantic


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User currently offlineN766UA From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 8094 posts, RR: 24
Reply 3, posted (10 years 2 months 2 weeks 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 15631 times:

I don't beleive Qantas has ever had a fatal crash. I think they had an overrun a couple years ago, but that's about it.


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User currently offlineFiedman From Canada, joined Sep 2001, 206 posts, RR: 1
Reply 4, posted (10 years 2 months 2 weeks 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 15625 times:

I think El Al Israel Airlines would also be rated as one of the safest in the world as well.



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User currently offlineAa61hvy From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 13977 posts, RR: 57
Reply 5, posted (10 years 2 months 2 weeks 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 15612 times:

Air Tahiti Nui has got to be up there also


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User currently offlineNIKV69 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (10 years 2 months 2 weeks 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 15602 times:

Yes El AL is good, isn't it funny what happens when you arm your pilots? Safest Airline still goes to Qantas..Hands down..

User currently offlineJutes85 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (10 years 2 months 2 weeks 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 15579 times:

Qantas and EL AL hands down. However, in terms of fatalities Qantas wins, but I feel safer on an EL AL if a hijack ever occurs.

User currently offlineTriJetFan1 From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 1128 posts, RR: 7
Reply 8, posted (10 years 2 months 2 weeks 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 15550 times:
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Yes good point, see how successfully El Al was when they armed their pilots and it is even more admirable because they are operating in probably the most dangerous parts of the world today.


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User currently offlineNIKV69 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (10 years 2 months 2 weeks 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 15542 times:

Don't think you have to ever worry about a hijackacking on EL AL, I am not sure but I think they have had one attempted hijacking and the hijacker was killed. We need that here in the US. No more flight cancellations please, we can never live in fear..

User currently offline9V-SVC From Singapore, joined Oct 2001, 1795 posts, RR: 10
Reply 10, posted (10 years 2 months 2 weeks 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 15495 times:

Air Canada has the safest record.There was one incient, The 767 AC ran out of fuel because of miscalculation of fuel while refilling on the ground. The pilots managed to land the plane safely without the power of the two engines.


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User currently offlineHA_DC9 From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 652 posts, RR: 1
Reply 11, posted (10 years 2 months 2 weeks 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 15468 times:

Hawaiian also has never had a fatality. The only incident that comes to mind is that DC-10 runway overrun in Tahiti a few years back.

User currently offlineAJ From Australia, joined Nov 1999, 2381 posts, RR: 24
Reply 12, posted (10 years 2 months 2 weeks 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 15437 times:

9V-SVC, Air Canada had fatalities after a toilet fire in a DC-9.

User currently offlineJutes85 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 13, posted (10 years 2 months 2 weeks 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 15430 times:

9V-SVC,

I believe you are inncorrent about Air Canada. If you count all of the Provincial Air Services that are still technically part of Air Canada, it would rule the carrier out. There were a number of accidents with death tolls over 20 people, one I recall is the one somewhere in Ontario in a DeHavilland Dash.


User currently offline757KSLC From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 233 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (10 years 2 months 2 weeks 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 15390 times:

Confirmed, stats say Qantas.


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User currently offlineNIKV69 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 15, posted (10 years 2 months 2 weeks 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 15381 times:

Yep Air Canada has had fatalities, come on people it has been Qantas for a long time and looks that way for a long time to come.

User currently offlineJeckPDX From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 255 posts, RR: 1
Reply 16, posted (10 years 2 months 2 weeks 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 15319 times:

Forgot to mention Southwest, America West, and a few others here in the US. Southwest had an incident with an overrun, but no fatalities. I may be mistaken, but I'm almost certain HP has never had a fatality either. As far as intl carriers, Qantas wins it hands down. I also beleive Cathay Pacific has an admirable safety record unlike other carriers in the reigon.

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User currently offlineOznznut From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 153 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (10 years 2 months 2 weeks 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 15266 times:

9V-SVC
Air Canada a DC-9 fire inflight over Kentucky and dumped a DC-8 (CF-TIW) with 109 fatalities on 5 July 1970. Sorry about that.


User currently offlineThrust From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 2686 posts, RR: 10
Reply 18, posted (10 years 2 months 2 weeks 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 15189 times:

We have no idea really who is and who is not the safest. Fleet age could be a factor, but also the pilots who work for the airline, the terrorist's airline picks, and many other factors determine the answer to this question. In my opinion, the answer cannot be proven. Therefore, I will select no one airline as safer than another. We don't really know anyway.


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User currently offlineNIKV69 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 19, posted (10 years 2 months 2 weeks 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 15152 times:

Exactly, all those factors contribute to the final result..

QANTAS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Safest in the world...Doesn't matter how they do it, they just do it.

I commend them..


User currently offlineCory6188 From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 2686 posts, RR: 6
Reply 20, posted (10 years 2 months 2 weeks 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 15144 times:

Although you might want to actually analyze the numbers, I think that most any airline based in a relatively stable nation with a competent equivalent of the FAA would be safe. To me, as long as there have been no incidents pointing to negligence on the part of the airline, I would consider it safe. In Gordon Bethune's book From Worst to First, for example, he says that safety at every carrier is sacrosanct in the fact that they don't take risks with safety. For example, in the US, I would consider most any airline safe - AA, B6, CO, DL, NW (even with the DC-9s), WN, UA, US, HA, AQ (although their aging 732s bother me a little, especially in comparion to HA's 717s), etc.

However, I will NOT fly on AirTran, regardless of what anyone says. Although they may think a name change may erase their past, I have read too many reports of smoke in the cockpit and similar issues (on their new 717s, to boot!) to be convinced that they are as safe as the other majors. The people that work for FL are wonderful I'm sure, and I don't mean to offend anyone, but the constant reports of problems bother me.  Smile

[Edited 2004-02-02 05:47:02]

User currently offline9V-SVC From Singapore, joined Oct 2001, 1795 posts, RR: 10
Reply 21, posted (10 years 2 months 2 weeks 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 15134 times:

Oops, sorry for my mistake. Looks like I have to do more research on AC.

Thanks guys for pointing out my mistake.



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User currently offlineHardkor From Canada, joined Aug 2001, 236 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (10 years 2 months 2 weeks 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 15127 times:

To determine the safest airline, you have to consider the incident to flight ratio. Yes, Qantas has never had a fatality, but how many flights do they have compared to a larger carrier, such as United or Lufthansa? Same with Air Tahiti. By the way, Air Canada had an F-28 crash in Dryden, ON in 1988 I think. The pilots failed to de-ice the plane, crashed during takeoff.

User currently offlineWingnutMN From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 633 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (10 years 2 months 2 weeks 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 15098 times:

I think that of the 5 majors in the US, NW has the safest record. Only one major crash in the last 20 years. DTW in 1986. Son't know about their distant history though. AA, DL, US, and UA all have had a few crashes within that timeframe. Not too sure though on CO. I know they had that DC10 fire a while back, but couldn't recall any fatalities. But world wide, it has to be Qantas. Can't go wrong with a mainly widebody long haul fleet and no fatalities!

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User currently offlineNIKV69 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 24, posted (10 years 2 months 2 weeks 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 15079 times:

AirTran should not be allowed to even operate, what Valuejet did was horrible, and I don't care that Sabre Tech was a sub cont, that was horrible and gross negligence. I wouldn't fly them if you gave me the airline..

May all those poor souls that died haunt Joe Leonard for the rest of his life..



25 Thrust : As a customer, there's really no way of telling whether you're in for a dangerous flight or not, unless you see people sneaking on board with guns. Th
26 Aerlingusa330 : Is there a website that has all the records (statistically) for most major airlines? I know the FAA has some but they aren't extensive.
27 Tcfc424 : AA safe? Wasn't that widebody crash a result of gross neglect on the part of MX? I thought it was a DC-10...was some time ago.... CO has had its share
28 Russophile : Yes El AL is good, isn't it funny what happens when you arm your pilots? It has nothing to do with arming your pilots. It has more to do with interrog
29 NIKV69 : It has nothing to do with arming your pilots? Oh yes it does, interrogations are great but our pilots need to be armed. This plus the cockpit doors ar
30 JeckPDX : As far as the issue with AirTran and ValuJet, aside from the extensive incident list, this could have happened to any other carrier. SabreTech does (o
31 Alphascan : Joe Leonard never even worked for Valuejet. He joined AirTran three years after the Flight 532 tragedy.
32 ETStar : Even though El Al is perceived to be one of the safest airlines, I refuse to put my pride and dignity aside to be scrutinized, questioned and terroriz
33 NIKV69 : My apoligies on Joe Leonard. SabreTech or no SabreTech Vaulejet should have been more on top of things. That was the one of the most avoidable airline
34 QantasA332 : Out of all those mentioned, Qantas is definitely the safest, especially when you consider how long they've been operating compared to most other airli
35 HAWK21M : Statistically speaking QANTAS. regds HAWK
36 Post contains links 744 : Check this out: http://www.airsafe.com [Edited 2004-02-02 09:39:33]
37 EK345 : ETStar: Well said! Could not have said it better. I think you really hit the nail on the head. El Al is really a terrorist's dream target... so why pe
38 HAL : I know Qantas has had great record for 84 years, but don't forget about Hawaiian Airlines. In business 75 years as of this year. Zero passenger fatala
39 Akumas : In my opinion Qantas Airways ( QF ) are the safest.
40 NIKV69 : Though Hawaiian has a great safety record they are much smaller than Qantas. Qantas is probably the longest haul carrier in the world and probably fli
41 Will : Without a doubt....Qantas.......
42 AMM744 : One Word - Qantas. Really quite amazing that an airline that flies the farthest possible routes on Earth has the best safety record. I would definatel
43 AMM744 : One Word - Qantas. Really quite amazing that an airline that flies the farthest possible routes on Earth has the best safety record. I would definatel
44 Post contains links NWA Man : A few corrections to make... Air Canada's crash in Cincy only killed 23 passengers (there were only 46 aboard the DC-9). http://www.airdisaster.com/cg
45 Motorhussy : Yes historically speaking Qantas is the safest, but looking at the current global environment I wouldn't be looking at safety based on maintenance and
46 GlobeTrekker : Hmmm, what can I say.... definitely QANTAS..
47 Dexter : These major airlines never had a single hull-loss: Emirates Hawaiian Air Virgin Atlantic Airways These had no fatal accidents: America West Southwest
48 Post contains images Iswiss : I would say... Swiss... Ok... the company is only two years old.
49 Stefandotde : Are Qantas and El Al at the same level?? Sorry, no way! Remember 1992 when an EL AL Cargo 747 crashed in Amsterdam. Qantas never had an accident, so d
50 Lauda777 : Q A N T A S
51 VCE : Alitalia. Their planes are very well checked.
52 Stefandotde : VCE, lots of aircrafts are very well checked, same as Lufthansa. But there are accidents.
53 TAP1972 : TAP Air Portugal - one of the safest
54 Post contains links LHSebi : I need to give my 2 cents to this...Yes, Qantas has never had a fatal accident, but they have only had 1.02 million flights. AerLingus for example, wi
55 Sabena332 : Tunisair is another airline which operates without a single accident since they were founded in 1948. Patrick
56 DrJetMech : Hey, ek345 and etstar, let me take a wild guess. The both of you are of arab origin. ElAl is safe from an operation view point and from a terrorist on
57 PBIflyguy : QANTAS.. 86 years of operating with no fatalities.
58 Post contains images JAL777 : The safest airline in the world is also the one that is statistically overdue for an accident.
59 FLYACYYZ : SAFEST AIRLINE in THE WORLD - While QANTAS leads the pack in terms of non-fatalities, the term Safest Airline in the World is also reflective of the f
60 Dexter : Yes, Qantas has never had a fatal accident, but they have only had 1.02 million flights. AerLingus for example, with a similar number of flights (1.2
61 Freshlove1 : Didn't NW have a collision in DTW a few years back involving a DC9 and a 727 that resulted in a few deaths? I would have to say that WN may be the saf
62 Turk223 : Everyone overlooks poor little BWIA - flying since 1940 without a fatal accident... I do believe there was one fatalityin the 1970s on a 707, however;
63 Post contains links and images NWA Man : Didn't NW have a collision in DTW a few years back involving a DC9 and a 727 that resulted in a few deaths? I would have to say that WN may be the saf
64 Post contains links and images Alcregular : Didn't Hawaiian Airlines have a fatality in the 80's(?) when the top front part of the aircraft blew away? I would agree with most people on this thre
65 FLYACYYZ : Alcregular: The aircraft & airline in question from your thread was Aloha Airlines B737 Top section of the fuselage peeled away in flight over the isl
66 MakeMinesLax : Didn't Hawaiian Airlines have a fatality in the 80's(?) when the top front part of the aircraft blew away? Right location, wrong airline - that was Al
67 Ramme : El Al safe? Maybe as long as you're not in a freighter airplane departing Amsterdam, like the one in the early 1992: http://aviation-safety.net/databa
68 Bongo : Guys...There's a page: www.planecrashinfo.com where you can have access to all the details regarding plane crashes. One thing is that in fact Qantas h
69 Ushermittwoch : The safest airline, if we talk about fatalities, HAS to be Qantas. Just because they have been in service for so long (yes, longer than WN) and still
70 Ams : How about ANA All Nippon Airways. I am not aware of any accidents
71 NIKV69 : Southwest shouldn't even be in this post, they haven't been around nearly as long as Qantas and they only fly short hops..Have to commend them though
72 Boo25 : Putting it into perspective, there are many airlines who carry millions more passengers than Qantas every year - and safely too, so if you added up th
73 Sccutler : Folks, Qantas are an outstanding operation, but they are not without flaws. The only reason there is all this fuss about it is the movie, Rain Man. Th
74 B741 : Qantas has a fleet probably less than 100 aircraft in a small country(18-20 million) whereas other airlines have much larger fleets in more populated
75 NWAFA : Sccutler But WN has many "incidents' that never get reported. The BUR accident they paid do have it changed to a "ICENDENT" instead of a crash! They a
76 Motorhussy : NIKV69 Southwest shouldn't even be in this post, they haven't been around nearly as long as Qantas and they only fly short hops... Perspective please.
77 B741 : I think BA has one of the most enviable safety records of the major airlines, considering its size and scope. Not a fatal accident since 1976!
78 Post contains images 3lions : US Air has got to be the safest now. ( yeah right).
79 B741 : Ams I think ANA had a fatal one in the 1970s involving a military jet and a 727.
80 Post contains images NIKV69 : Hell, I remember there was a stretch in the 90s when USAir had a major disaster every year for 5 years. I know one was ATC error but that is some bad
81 Sccutler : But WN has many "incidents' that never get reported. The BUR accident they paid do have it changed to a "ICENDENT" instead of a crash! They are known
82 QantasA332 : I repeat: Qantas is definitely the safest, even over Southwest, simply because of how long they've been operating. Qantas started back in 1920, while
83 NIKV69 : AMEN.. Qantas is the safest airline in the world. This is fact. Southwest is very good, I still believe they are tops in the LCC sector, I would choos
84 QANTASpower : Qantas HAS NEVER - REPEAT NEVER had a fatal accident.
85 Aaron747 : No surprised here. A lot of hot air and misinformation spewed about in a thread where many amateur opinions would seem to trump reality.
86 Azmi : Get your pilots from the airforce,interrogate your passengers before boarding,put 4 air marshals on every flight,and you get a plane as safe as ElAl.
87 VHTAE : On the question on safety it's clearly Qantas. No questions asked!
88 Beno : B741, Qantas has a fleet of around 200 aircraft and operate around 5700 flights per week carring over 30 million passengers a year. Not a small operat
89 Russophile : Qantas HAS NEVER - REPEAT NEVER had a fatal accident. Here are some QF crashes... 24 March 1927 -- de Havilland DH.9C -- G-AUED -- 3 dead 15 November
90 Russophile : Not a small operation at all! In fact Beno, QF is the world's 10th largest airline. Quite a feat, when it carries more passengers per year when the po
91 Kj76 : How about Finnair? Their only crash was back in late 50's or early 60's. Us Finns concider always Finnair as one of the safest airlines in the world..
92 B741 : Russophile Qantas is no.12 worldwide according to 2002 RPM stats, with Air Canada at no. 13, although not as good a safety record as Qantas.
93 SA7700 : My vote goes to Qantas.
94 Rsmith6621a : From the Movie RainMan..... Tom Cruise...........What Airline hasnt Crashed????? Dustin Hoffman........Quantas.....Definitly....Quantas
95 PIA777 : If you have seen the Movie "RAINMAN" with Dustin Hoffman and Tom Cruise, you would know its Qantas. "Qantas never crashed". PIA777
96 LHSebi : To all these people insisting on Qantas...for the record, I think Qantas is great...but would you consider an airline that started yesterday, without
97 Post contains images A340600 : VIRGIN and QANTAS Sam
98 Dexter : If you have seen the Movie "RAINMAN" ... you would know its Qantas. Eh.. Is the movie "Rain Man" the definitive source of information on commercial ai
99 Scf158 : Air Canada has been ranked as the world's safest airline in an independent analysis of more than 500 airlines.
100 ANstar : Russophile: Please, Please send me this info you have where Aeroflot is a safer airline than QF... Im dying to see it, my email is in my profile.. Mot
101 B741 : Anstar I got my data from 1978 when Qantas has a fleet of 23. I just extrapolated the data wrong. But, according to my data, they have 129 aircraft in
102 Post contains images Luisinho : Hii Folks! There is only one airline.... with safety wards, WITH THE BEST MAINTENANCE IN THE WORLD, awarded 5 times and recognized internationaly, the
103 AMM744 : and the airline is - TAP AIR PORTUGAL! Luisinho... Wake up and smell the sardines my friend, Qantas is the world's safest airline - statistically spea
104 Post contains images Coronado990 : I think it has to be Aero California. Keeping all those old DC-9s airborne since 1982 without a fatality must be worth something.
105 Russophile : Qantas is no.12 worldwide according to 2002 RPM stats, with Air Canada at no. 13, although not as good a safety record as Qantas. In terms of numbers
106 Jm017 : There are lots of votes for QANTAS. But they have had previous incidents, as Russophile has kindly listed. So if we are talking the safest airline sta
107 Beno : B741, Don't know where you got your stats. Just off the top of my head QF have: 36 B747s 29 B767s 7 A330s 65 737s (rough estimate with more 800s commi
108 B741 : Beno My stats did not include the QLink, which I did not know of, which I gather is the regional arm. Just like in Canada we have Jazz, which is the A
109 Commander_Rabb : The myth of Qantas as holding a safety record is just that, a myth. Sorry to burst your bubbles. They have had fatalities. If you base safe on oldest
110 Beno : QLink is the regional arm of QF but unlike Jazz QLink wears the full QF livery and its staff wear the same uniform ect. The 200 figure only includes a
111 EK345 : "Hey, ek345 and etstar, let me take a wild guess. The both of you are of arab origin. ElAl is safe from an operation view point and from a terrorist o
112 Uadc8contrail : buy me a lottery ticket and get me away from these qf luvers.....karma will prevail and anyone who post these threads is a idiot.
113 TRENT500 : Qantas has a superb safety record i agree, but considering the amount of aircraft/flying hours, B.A must be high on the list?
114 QANTASpower : Russophile Total nonsense ... those statistics are totally false ... Qantas may have lost 1 or 2 propeller aircraft but NO FATALITIES. QANTASpower
115 Russophile : So Qantaspower, are you accusing me of making those figures up? Be careful with your answer, because you will either look a) idiotic or b) foolish, if
116 Navigator : You can perhaps mention a few airlines that are very safe. But I think you should avoid appointing the very safest. It takes just one accident to ruin
117 Dexter : Russophile, Why are the QF crashes you mentioned above not featured in any database (AS.NET or AirDisaster or whatever)? Is it because Australia was n
118 Post contains links Russophile : Dexter, because those databases generally only go back as far to the post WWII period, and they will not include all aircraft -- some databases only i
119 Post contains links and images Cedric : There is a press item in a Fench Magazine which mention Tunisair as the safest airline with no accidents and fatalities since it was founded in 1957.
120 Post contains links Russophile : Cedric, even that information on Tunisair is incorrect. http://www.baaa-acro.com/Compagnies%20T/Tunis%20Air.htm 20/09/70 TS-DAA Cessna 402 Hammamet, T
121 B741 : Russophile is right about Qantas having fatal accidents pre-WW2. There is a huge directory in print listing thousands of crashes and there were some Q
122 Oz777 : Well QANTASPower - we are waiting for your apology. And if you look at the last 5 years, QF's record in terms of the number of major incidents (ie whe
123 AgnusBymaster : Southwest has flown more than 10 million flights without a single fatal accident. I think they are without question the safest.
124 Scf158 : I think SWISS is the safest! not swissair... just the current airline, SWISS which has been around for not that long... I kid, i Kid...
125 Fiedman : Ok I was wrong about El Al but I would feel more safer getting aboard an El Al flight then a flight anywhere else in the world. With all of the securi
126 Post contains links and images Chicago757 : ATA....by far View Large View MediumPhoto © Ben Wang
127 Cory6188 : Chicago757, it looks like you have dupe-itis.
128 Chicago757 : Cory6188....LOL yeah it was an accident!
129 Cancidas : without question, EL AL. my current professor works with them and has told us some of how they operate. i'm impressed by it all, and am hopeful to lea
130 Post contains links QantasA332 : I found this. It's slightly (only slightly) dated, but interesting nonetheless... http://flyingfans.tripod.com/airlineratings.html qantasA332
131 Sllevin : The previous posts have brought out great points, and the one truism I always quote: There are lies, damn lies, and statistics! There are lots of ways
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