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Another UA 744 Returns To Service  
User currently offlineNa From Germany, joined Dec 1999, 10817 posts, RR: 9
Posted (10 years 11 months 13 hours ago) and read 6026 times:

N187UA is the latest 744 of United Airlines reintroduced into service these days. That makes 10 that are left at VCV now.

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User currently offlineAMM744 From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2003, 211 posts, RR: 1
Reply 1, posted (10 years 11 months 12 hours ago) and read 5924 times:

That's great news, any 747 that returns to sky is always welcome.

Hopefully the rest of them will leave Victorville soon.


User currently offlineUal777contrail From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (10 years 11 months 8 hours ago) and read 5522 times:

How do you get 10? That's not what uni says.

If 1 left the desert then there a 8 left.


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User currently offlineBN747 From United States of America, joined Mar 2002, 5620 posts, RR: 51
Reply 3, posted (10 years 11 months 7 hours ago) and read 5457 times:

Is N185UA one of the one's still parked?

BN747



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User currently offlineAmirs From Israel, joined Dec 2003, 1333 posts, RR: 4
Reply 4, posted (10 years 11 months 7 hours ago) and read 5323 times:

How long have they been retired. Why don't they try to lease them. I also never understood why they have already retired 777's???
Couldn't they pass them on to other airlines?


User currently offlineHNLFlyboy From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 321 posts, RR: 1
Reply 5, posted (10 years 11 months 7 hours ago) and read 5206 times:

I wish UA would start to use the 744 on the HNL-West Coast routes again. I miss those days. I am sure they could fill it. At one time, they were flying a 747 (forgot what series) from SFO to KOA. Three classes of service to Kona and I heard it was always full. One flight a day to LAX and one to SFO from HNL wouldn't kill them. They don't even use 744's to NRT and KIX out of HNL anymore. They are 3-class T7's.

User currently offlineATA L1011 From United States of America, joined Feb 2001, 1392 posts, RR: 6
Reply 6, posted (10 years 11 months 7 hours ago) and read 5108 times:

I dunno if the market is their from the West coast like it used to be, I know DL has cut alot flts from LA to their. I dont know if UA could fill a 744 these days(maybe certain days and time of the year) to HNL from LA or SF, we had a hard time filling the the L10's alot of times from LA to HNL. We have since downgraded to the 75's which hold much less than the L10's or a 744.


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User currently offlineAirportPlan From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 469 posts, RR: 3
Reply 7, posted (10 years 11 months 6 hours ago) and read 5001 times:

Speaking of Hawaii. Wouldn't using a 744 on the ORD-HNL route solve the pilot's crew rest issue since the 744's have a crew rest area? Maybe someone from UA can answer this question.

User currently offlineFA4UA From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 812 posts, RR: 20
Reply 8, posted (10 years 10 months 4 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 4722 times:

If UA started ORD-HNL on the 744, that plane would have to go full to the brim with passengers and cargo to pay the high costs of operating! It's not a very high-yeilding route to begin with and then add to that high costs associated to some of the most senior FA's and FO's working that trip, plus usual variable costs like maintenance and irregular ops (weather)... too expensive!

my two cents...

FA4UA



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User currently offlineOrdpark From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 576 posts, RR: 1
Reply 9, posted (10 years 10 months 4 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 4611 times:
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Actually, N187UA is still being overhauled at BFM but it will be great to see her back again..

The HNL thing....VERY low yield...I'm thinking we can use the 744's on higher yield markets...There isn't much business travel to the islands


User currently offlineCapt078 From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 421 posts, RR: 1
Reply 10, posted (10 years 10 months 4 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 4585 times:

i'd like to see ual use the 744 on another asia route or an increased frequency to that region. having flown (summer 2002) ual to shanghai and witnessing the extremely high passenger loads, i can't believe there wouldn't be enough demand (though i do understand the limitations of the bilateral agreements). either way, while i love the 744, ual needs to renovate the passenger cabins. fifteen hours in cramped coach with no ptv's, packed to the gills was not what i call pleasurable. great planes though.

User currently offlineUAL777 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 1564 posts, RR: 5
Reply 11, posted (10 years 10 months 4 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 4455 times:

UA did not RETIRE some of their T7s. They merely gave them back to the lessor because the lease rates were too high and they wanted to lower their costs. they did an analysis and found it would be better to pull the 744s that they own out of the desert and operate them rather than operate their T7s with high lease rates.


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User currently offlineSeattle ops From United States of America, joined Aug 1999, 202 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (10 years 10 months 4 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 4361 times:

Actually UAL777 United renegotiated their leases on the 747s, and they were then less expensive to operate than the 777s.

User currently offlineUal777contrail From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 13, posted (10 years 10 months 4 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 4310 times:

I think UAL operated the 747 out of SFO/LAX to HNL and it was 2 class.

they were the 747-100's
nose numbers were 88xx or 89xx
they held 44 first and 408 coach.

If they made a couple 747's 1 class and flew them ORD-HNL? I wonder if they could make a dime?

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User currently offlineHNLFlyboy From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 321 posts, RR: 1
Reply 14, posted (10 years 10 months 4 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 4117 times:

Ok, Ordpark, I will give to you that HNL et all are leisure markets and not business markets, but we are not to be overlooked. An extremely high percentage of the population of the state of Hawaii are MP members and among those 1k's, P1 and P2 rank up there as well. Remember, and this is a fact, that the Hawaiian Islands are the most isolated group of islands in the world. We have to get on a plane to go anywhere, including enduring high fares for 12 minute flights to OGG and LIH. UA is a very common choice out of HNL simply because of their frequency to the West Coast. If anything, I would at least consider it for a seasonal service like May through Sept.

User currently offlineOrdpark From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 576 posts, RR: 1
Reply 15, posted (10 years 10 months 4 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 3979 times:
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HNLflyboy - don't get me wrong, I'd love to see a 744 reinstated on the ORD/HNL run but I feel UA can generate more revenue on other routes...I'm not trying to put down Hawaiians or anything - sorry if I offended....















User currently offlineThrust From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 2691 posts, RR: 10
Reply 16, posted (10 years 10 months 4 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 3940 times:

I saw a recent photo of N172UA in storage. Some of those UA 744s are in storage without engines. How on earth are they going to leave VCV without their engines. And why on earth would they remove the engines if they are to be reactivated in service?


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User currently offlineZK-NBT From New Zealand, joined Oct 2000, 5359 posts, RR: 11
Reply 17, posted (10 years 10 months 4 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 3847 times:

I saw a recent photo of N172UA in storage. Some of those UA 744s are in storage without engines. How on earth are they going to leave VCV without their engines. And why on earth would they remove the engines if they are to be reactivated in service?

Takes about 5mins to refit an engine, well not quite but it's not like the aircraft is engineless and is required next week, if so it takes a few hours to refit them, I actually heard that they were leasing the engines out to other airlines or something.

Great to see the 744's returning to service!

Long live the 747!  Smile


User currently offlineUadc8contrail From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 1782 posts, RR: 9
Reply 18, posted (10 years 10 months 4 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 3748 times:

zk-nbt,
ua has leased some engines out, thinking they were going to be there for awhile how many i do not remember but i wish we could get all of them out of vcv and into the air again,,,,we still have 9 777s in gyr along with the 320 and a back yard load of 27s,,,,,



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User currently offlineUal777contrail From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 19, posted (10 years 10 months 4 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 3618 times:

UADC8,
We don't have 9 777's in GYR, I thought it was 5.

Bring me a VIP declaration form when you come into town today.

THANKS


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