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Most Profitable Routes Out Of DEN  
User currently offlineAirVB From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 268 posts, RR: 0
Posted (10 years 8 months 3 weeks 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 3622 times:

I was wondering what routes out of Denver Intl AIrport make the most money for Frontier and United. Are these the leisure routes that TED is aiming for, or are they destinations like LAX, SFO, LGA, etc.?

Thanks,
AirVB

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User currently offlineJetBluefan1 From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 2992 posts, RR: 14
Reply 1, posted (10 years 8 months 3 weeks 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 3533 times:

I would guess LAX. F9 doesn't have 6 flights on that route for no reason.

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User currently offlineBrett80211 From United States of America, joined Feb 2000, 266 posts, RR: 1
Reply 2, posted (10 years 8 months 3 weeks 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 3504 times:

I would guess Denver - Chicago (ORD), 2 pretty big hubs, lots of flights. -Brett

User currently offlineUshermittwoch From Germany, joined Jan 2004, 2965 posts, RR: 16
Reply 3, posted (10 years 8 months 3 weeks 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 3477 times:

I am sure it's to all NYC airports, LAX, ORD and FRA.



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User currently offlineMariner From New Zealand, joined Nov 2001, 25416 posts, RR: 86
Reply 4, posted (10 years 8 months 3 weeks 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 3435 times:
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For Frontier, it's a mix of business and leisure, with the balance going to business travel.

DEN/LAX, DEN/DFW, DEN/LGA, DEN/DCA are among their top routes.

On the leisure side, it is Denver to the Mexican resorts (seasonal), and DEN/FLL. The other Florida routes are more seasonal.

cheers

mariner



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User currently offlinePetazulu From United States of America, joined Jan 2003, 701 posts, RR: 1
Reply 5, posted (10 years 8 months 3 weeks 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 3413 times:

How about Aspen, Telluride, Durango, Etc? All those places are short rides with little to no competition and rates are extremely high!

User currently offlineAirVB From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 268 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (10 years 8 months 3 weeks 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 3356 times:

Mariner-do you have any idea what the load factors on the LAX flights are on average? I flew LAX-DEN/return this last month and the loads were about 65-70% I would say.

User currently offlineUAL747DEN From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 2392 posts, RR: 11
Reply 7, posted (10 years 8 months 3 weeks 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 3331 times:

I can tell you that on F9 DEN to all the Florida locations is a huge cash cow. Those flights are always full! I fly non-rev on F9 DEN-RSW very often and it is hard to get on that flight no matter what time of year it is. I think the new flights to Mexico are also doing very well...


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User currently offlineInnocuousFox From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 2805 posts, RR: 14
Reply 8, posted (10 years 8 months 3 weeks 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 3250 times:

UAL does a lot of traffic to LAS on the Shuttle routes from DEN.


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User currently offlineSsides From United States of America, joined Feb 2001, 4059 posts, RR: 21
Reply 9, posted (10 years 8 months 3 weeks 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 3204 times:

First of all, remember that just because loads are high doesn't mean that yields are high. A major carrier could have a full flight, while an LCC could have a half-empty flight, and depending on fares, the LCC may still be more profitable on that route.

How about Aspen, Telluride, Durango, Etc? All those places are short rides with little to no competition and rates are extremely high!

No way. These are low-yield leisure destinations. While skiers are probably willing to pay a bit more than your average leisure-fare customer, they're still not going to be the most profitable. Also, I just checked fares to these destinations -- they ranged from $265 to $305 round-trip. Maybe a bit much for a short route, but I wouldn't call them "extremely" high. Also, most people from Denver will drive these routes; most of the passengers are probably connecting, so who knows what price they paid.



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User currently offlineRamprat74 From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 1541 posts, RR: 2
Reply 10, posted (10 years 8 months 3 weeks 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 3135 times:

UA
DEN-SJC
DEN-ORD
DEN-IAD
DEN-SFO
DEN-SEA


User currently offlineMariner From New Zealand, joined Nov 2001, 25416 posts, RR: 86
Reply 11, posted (10 years 8 months 3 weeks 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 3091 times:
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AirVB:

Frontier doesn't publicly break down loads by individual routes - to my knowledge. You say you flew "last month" - I guess you mean January?

Both December and January are slow-ish months (apart from the holiday week), so that 65%-70% load sounds about right.

One stated reason for the LAX expansion is to "take the pressure off" DEN/LAX.

FYI: Frontier's latest reported break even load factor was 68%. December load factor (system wide) was 72.5%

cheers

mariner



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User currently offlineTriJetFan1 From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 1128 posts, RR: 7
Reply 12, posted (10 years 8 months 3 weeks 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 3043 times:
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Im sure that the DEN-IAD route is big for United.
Also, what aircraft does UAL fly for the DEN-IAD routes?



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User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 33038 posts, RR: 71
Reply 13, posted (10 years 8 months 3 weeks 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 3037 times:

How about Aspen, Telluride, Durango, Etc? All those places are short rides with little to no competition and rates are extremely high!

No way. These are low-yield leisure destinations. While skiers are probably willing to pay a bit more than your average leisure-fare customer, they're still not going to be the most profitable.


Leisure destinations do not equate to low-yield. Aspen especially is a high-yield market commanding very high fares, so is Vail/Eagle. Let's not forget Palm Springs, Anchorage, Dubai, and Miami, which also fit the same exact profile as high-yielding leisure destinations (though the latter three to have a larger business mix).



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User currently offlineNWA Man From United States of America, joined Jun 1999, 1828 posts, RR: 12
Reply 14, posted (10 years 8 months 3 weeks 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 3014 times:

MSP-DEN is a huge moneymaker for Northwest... for whatever reason, there's a lot of traffic between the two cities, and if you've ever tried to upgrade that route, or God forbid, non-rev on it, you'll find that out very quickly.


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User currently offlineUal777contrail From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 15, posted (10 years 8 months 3 weeks 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 2936 times:

I would say ORD-DEN is a big one

I disagree with ssides, ASE isn't a money maker?

You fly 100 people on a BAE-146-300 and each pax is paying $265.00-$305.00x100?

and now pay off the awac crews,pennies on the dollar, and they didn't make money?

MARINER,
How do you think F9 will fare once UAL gets DEN-DCA?

UAL 777 CONTRAIL



User currently offlineRayChuang From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 8018 posts, RR: 5
Reply 16, posted (10 years 8 months 3 weeks 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 2868 times:

Which does remind me: what kind of planes does UA fly on the route between SFO and DEN? Is it mostly 757-200's?

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