Ultrapig From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 600 posts, RR: 0 Posted (11 years 7 months 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 2786 times:
I was on an AA flight DFW-STL in first class last night. I noted that half an hour into the flight a pilot used the lav and when he came out a FA went into the cockpit. My seatmate and I guessed that this was a protocol which involved the FA opening the door from the inside when the Pilot was done with the Lav. Leaving his fellow pilot to fly without distraction. My seatmate also noticed that the door seemed to have a keyhole which didn't make sense since since a terrorist could demand someone give him the key.
I was surprised that the Pilot had to use the facility on such a short flight.
XJRamper From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 2496 posts, RR: 47
Reply 1, posted (11 years 7 months 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 2728 times:
When I was on my first leg from TOL-ATL this same thing happened on this flight. The FO went to use the restroom and the FA went into the cockpit. And when the FO returned, the FA went back into the cabin. You mentioned that the door had a key. This door did not, but then again it was 6 in the morning; I was barely awake and I might have missed it. Anywho, my .02
PER744 From Australia, joined Mar 2003, 405 posts, RR: 2
Reply 2, posted (11 years 7 months 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 2566 times:
Different airlines seem to use different procedures. On TZ I have seen a few times that when the Captain or FO uses the restroom that the cockpit door is propped open, however at least 2 FA's block the aisle with a cart.
7574EVER From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 478 posts, RR: 4
Reply 13, posted (11 years 7 months 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 2246 times:
I was just joking of course......In answer to your question, it is to my understanding that the door must be completely closed if a pilot leaves the cockpit to use the facilities or flirt with the FA's. So an FA will go into the cockpit to open the door for the pilot when he returns. This allows the pilot still in the cockpit to remain seated and continue flying the plane instead of having to open the door. Don't quote me but this is what I've been told. Perhaps someone can prove, disprove, or elaborate on this statement.
[Edited 2004-02-05 06:57:24]
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Jhooper From United States of America, joined Dec 2001, 6206 posts, RR: 11
Reply 16, posted (11 years 7 months 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 2159 times:
The process of having the pilot leave the cockpit to use the restroom is rather complicated; therefore, they usually try to take care of restroom needs on the ground prior to flight. If they must go, then they must implement the complicated procedures.
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Jahckass From United States of America, joined Aug 2001, 143 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (11 years 7 months 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 2053 times:
i like the idea of having a fa enter the cockpit while a pilot is in the cabin. im guessing in some cockpits it is possible for a pilot to reach back and open a door while seated in his/her position however it is not possible for him/her to look through the peep hole while remaining at the controls. if s/he were to get up to look out the peephole then open the door, there is a greater chance that s/he could end up in the cabin and nobody in the cockpit (which could be bad if the door closes behind them). to sum up, two people in the cockpit at all times makes it harder to end up with no one in the cockpit.
Flymia From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 7454 posts, RR: 7
Reply 20, posted (11 years 7 months 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 1810 times:
I think the only reason for the FA to go in the cockpit is incase something happens to the other pilot in the Cockpit. Saw them do this Twice once the FO and once the Captain. Did not notice if there was a key or not. But in the AA 757 i know when the Cockpit door opens the light up front turns off. Very good thinking. But i think they did this before 9-11
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Learjet23 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 21, posted (11 years 7 months 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 1787 times:
What if a really fine hooters type F/A would just hold a bed pan to the pilots schlong while he kept his hands on the wheel? That way there would be no interruption and the F/A's could keep a record of who had the "heavy equipment"
Nighthawk From UK - Scotland, joined Sep 2001, 5272 posts, RR: 31
Reply 22, posted (11 years 7 months 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 1690 times:
With regards to the key hole: Perhaps this is to allow the door to be locked when noone is on board the aircraft. this would stop anyone boarding an unatended ac at a gate and accessing the cockpit. Once the pilots are in the cockpit I would imagine there would be a second lock that can only be accessed from inside the cockpit.
With regards to the FA entering the cockpit, it could be for any of the following reasons:
1) To open the door to allow the pilot back in
2) To monitor the remaining member of staff incase he has a heart attack. They can then open the door and alert the other member of flight crew
3) To provide an extra body in the event a terrorist tries to gain access when the pilot is in the loo...
Well theres a few reasons, im sure there are many more!
BUCKY707 From United States of America, joined Aug 2000, 1030 posts, RR: 3
Reply 23, posted (11 years 7 months 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 1613 times:
the reason a F/A goes into the cockpit is a change in the rules regarding cockpit entry. Someone has to visually verify that the person about to enter the cockpit is indeed who they say they are. With one pilot out of the cockpit making a pit stop, it is impossible for the other to get up and look out the peep hole and make this verification without leaving his duty station. So the F/A has to go into the cockpit to check when the other pilot is ready to come back.
Ahsanf28 From Bangladesh, joined Mar 2002, 90 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (11 years 7 months 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 1448 times:
7574EVER is absolutely right. In many airlines the policy is to keep the cockpit door closed at all times. So when one of the cockpit crew members comes out of the cockpit a flight attendant must enter the cockpit to lock it from inside and then subsequently open it again when the crew returns.
Ua777222 From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 3348 posts, RR: 10
Reply 25, posted (11 years 7 months 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 1409 times:
I know b/c my dad is a pilot and from observations that if a pilot has to go to the lav that they will most likely go when they too are being served food. This happens when the entire A/C is being fed. When this happens there are carts in the aisle and as all of us know its a bitch to get through one of those. On all of the UAL flights I've flown First they use the cart in fornt of the door even when it's shut and the pilot is in the lav. It makes a lot more sense to do this b/c most people are sitting, the aisles are blocked and you open the cockpit door as minimal as possible. IM NOT SAYING THAT THIS IS WHAT THEY DO BY THE BOOK (for those of us out there that will yell at me for giving out "security" procedures)THIS IS JUST WHAT I'VE SEEN.