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What Are Current Per Seat Per Mile Costs?  
User currently offlineAlexinwa From United States of America, joined Sep 2000, 1155 posts, RR: 0
Posted (10 years 10 months 2 weeks 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 5489 times:

I'm not sure if I'm saying that right. But the average cost per seat per mile for the airlines is what I am looking for. Thanks!

I read WN was somewhere around .07 cents per mile. Should right?


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User currently offlineB747-437B From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (10 years 10 months 2 weeks 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 5481 times:

The CASM for every airline can be found in their last earnings report. You can get accurate info for each of them there.

User currently offlineDelta-flyer From United States of America, joined Jul 2001, 2676 posts, RR: 6
Reply 2, posted (10 years 10 months 2 weeks 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 5411 times:

Look on the airline's web site, under Investor Relations, then find their latest annual report or SEC filing.

Pete


User currently offlineMariner From New Zealand, joined Nov 2001, 25688 posts, RR: 85
Reply 3, posted (10 years 10 months 2 weeks 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 5389 times:
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Alexinwa:

You are correct. WN's CASM is around 7 cents. Jetblue is slightly less, the other LCC's are slightly more.

The legacy carriers generally have higher CASM's. UAL's last reported was just under 10 cents. US Airways is just over 10 cents.

But then you have to work out if that CASM includes or excludes fuel. Because fuel prices are a changing variable, airlines will often quote CASM - ex fuel - and then give the figure including fuel.

Frontier's last report gave their CASM was just under 7 cents - ex fuel - but if you include fuel at its present high prics, then their CASM was just over 8.

cheers

mariner



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User currently offlineQANTAS747-438 From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 1984 posts, RR: 2
Reply 4, posted (10 years 10 months 2 weeks 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 5350 times:

I'm not sure if I understand this right... If an airline has a per seat/per mile cost of $.07 per mile, and if flight A is 1000 miles long, it would cost the airline $70 to fly one passenger?



My posts/replies are strictly my opinion and not that of any company, organization, or Southwest Airlines.
User currently offlineArtsyman From United States of America, joined Feb 2001, 4745 posts, RR: 34
Reply 5, posted (10 years 10 months 2 weeks 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 5338 times:

If an airline has a per seat/per mile cost of $.07 per mile, and if flight A is 1000 miles long, it would cost the airline $70 to fly one passenger?
****

That's correct, but these days people are complaining about spending $70 dollars to fly transatlantic in first class.


User currently offlineQANTAS747-438 From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 1984 posts, RR: 2
Reply 6, posted (10 years 10 months 2 weeks 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 5297 times:

Wow, thanks Artsyman. So if a 1000 mi journey costs around $220 such as LAX-SEA, then it really would cost $70 for a profit of $150! That's almost as bad as CD's costing $.02 to make and selling for $15!


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User currently offlineArtsyman From United States of America, joined Feb 2001, 4745 posts, RR: 34
Reply 7, posted (10 years 10 months 2 weeks 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 5294 times:

Except that you are missing quite a few factors.:

The $220 is return, therefore the journey is 2000 miles, and $140 dollars. Then the government takes about 50% of the $220 in taxes, then they take a further $2.50 per segment for security fees, and then the airports take departure taxes, and so on and so on....

J


User currently offlineTriStar500 From Germany, joined Nov 1999, 4696 posts, RR: 42
Reply 8, posted (10 years 10 months 2 weeks 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 5286 times:

...only that you also have to factor in that the airline won't sell every seat on a plane, so with a seat load factor of e.g. 75% and a CASM of $0.07 per mile, a seat actually "costs" $93.33 .

Sorry if there should be any mathematical mistakes in my calculation, I just wanted to bring my point across.  Smile



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User currently offlineTriStar500 From Germany, joined Nov 1999, 4696 posts, RR: 42
Reply 9, posted (10 years 10 months 2 weeks 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 5279 times:

To be more precise, the $93.33 applies to the breakeven revenue each passenger has to generate on said oneway flight.



Homer: Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true!
User currently offlineElal106 From United States of America, joined Jan 2000, 975 posts, RR: 4
Reply 10, posted (10 years 10 months 2 weeks 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 5281 times:

So is jetblue braking even on LGB-JFK for $79 each way?

User currently offlineAASTEW From Dominican Republic, joined Oct 2001, 447 posts, RR: 1
Reply 11, posted (10 years 10 months 2 weeks 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 5206 times:

So out of the Big Airlines, who as the lowest CASM's.. Where can I get those figures. Thanks!

User currently offlineMariner From New Zealand, joined Nov 2001, 25688 posts, RR: 85
Reply 12, posted (10 years 10 months 2 weeks 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 5179 times:
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AASTEW:

I think - repeat think - that the major with the lowest CASM is either AMR or CAL. From memory both are about 9.5 cents.

The information is easily available, but it takes a bit of digging. It is rported in their SEC filings available under Investor Information (or similar) on each airline web site. It's a fairly long document.

Also, in the press release of their quarterly performance, the airlines will usually report their CASM

http://biz.yahoo.com/ic/n/airlin.htm

This site collects all the airline press releases, or you can find the press releases on the airline website.

Thye don't always report CASM in their monthly performance releases, though. They tend to save it for the quarterly.

cheers

mariner



aeternum nauta
User currently offlineTomFoolery From Austria, joined Jan 2004, 529 posts, RR: 2
Reply 13, posted (10 years 10 months 2 weeks 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 5164 times:

Very interesting thread! Not necessarily something I routinely ponder, but interesting none the less.



Thanks,

TF



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User currently offlineAlexinwa From United States of America, joined Sep 2000, 1155 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (10 years 10 months 2 weeks 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 5117 times:

It was my understanding the the taxes, airport landing/takeoff fees, etc werent counted in the per seat per mile? Since these are not going to the airline why count them?


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User currently offlineArtsyman From United States of America, joined Feb 2001, 4745 posts, RR: 34
Reply 15, posted (10 years 10 months 2 weeks 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 5100 times:

It was my understanding the the taxes, airport landing/takeoff fees, etc werent counted in the per seat per mile? Since these are not going to the airline why count them?
****

The reason why I added them in is that one of the above posters in reply#6 was implying that it was easy to make a profit on the current CASM, so I dropped a little reality into the equation.

J


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