FLYYUL From Italy, joined Jun 2000, 4949 posts, RR: 52 Posted (9 years 10 months 2 weeks 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 4239 times:
Dear BEY fans,
I regret to inform you that the AC BEY process is still in the same process as day no.1..... the government wont allow it.
I was told that if AC ever gets permission, they will jump on the route faster than you can think .. there is apparently tremendous profit potential on this specific route, and im sorry to say that politics still will not allow it...
Keep faith guys, it'll happen sooner or later (hopefully while we are still alive )
Cayman From Canada, joined Aug 2003, 905 posts, RR: 9 Reply 1, posted (9 years 10 months 2 weeks 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 4190 times:
That is a shame--hopefully they can work it out--
I implore the inevitable posters to avoid turning this into an anit-American rant of drivel as they have on this issue before--there is no doubt a valid reason exists for the Govt of Canada's reluctance,--in earlier threads way too many posters have played the smug and holier than thou Canadian card--
It will be a good route if AC can get it going--and it is a shame it is delayed--but kindly do not turn this into the predictable left wing soap box of anti-American anti-Bush bollocks that often is generated by this topic--that has nothing to do with this issue--
The aviation issue is whether hopefully AC can satisfy whatever concerns there might be and get the route going--
Airxliban From Lebanon, joined Oct 2003, 4503 posts, RR: 54 Reply 4, posted (9 years 10 months 2 weeks 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 4095 times:
I think it is just a matter of time.
Imagine the scene at BEY:
Air Tahiti Nui (forgot their code) A346
I recommend two terminals and 3 runways, one for MEA with 2 runways and one "other" terminal for all the other airlines.
YUL332LX From Canada, joined Feb 2004, 820 posts, RR: 1 Reply 5, posted (9 years 10 months 2 weeks 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 4053 times:
**Keep faith guys, it'll happen sooner or later (hopefully while we are still alive )**
Hopefully while AC is still alive!
I agree with Cayman. I'm not sure what king of game the Can govt is playing. There is something I don't understand in this decision. If I remember correctly, AC made a stop in FRA last summer while operating to BEY. But I don't know if they had to get the pax out of the plane. If no, makes it even harder to follow because, really, what's the difference between flying, say, YUL-BEY directly or flying YUL-FRA-BEY if they use the same plane without inspecting the plane before each legs? If that was the case, I'd say that they are very precautious and probably have some specific intels to do so. But right now, that sounds like a Bush policy...
FLYYUL, has the govt made his decision official on this matter now?
I guess that kills the trill of trying what type of plane AC would operate ont this flight...
By the way, that was my first post, but I've been reading you guys about AC in this Forum for many months now.
E volavo, volavo felice più in alto del sole, e ancora più su mentre il mondo pian piano spariva lontano laggiù ...
ToBEYwithMEA From Lebanon, joined Feb 2004, 304 posts, RR: 2 Reply 12, posted (9 years 10 months 2 weeks 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 3744 times:
Where did you get this info because I was told by a pilot that AC will fly to BEY.
Plus last summer there was a article in a local magizine (in Beirut) saying that AC's operation were canceled but the Canadian gov paid they 6 million dollars to cover the flight.And it said THE OFFICALS WILL MOST PROBABLY ALLOW the CANADIAN CARRIER TO PICK UP THE FLIGHT IN THE SUMMER OF 2004. 6 million that more than MEA's total profits. Imagine if MEA could fly there.
Hey Air Liban you should see my fantasies. But I'm sure one day they all come ture
ToBEYwithMEA From Lebanon, joined Feb 2004, 304 posts, RR: 2 Reply 14, posted (9 years 10 months 2 weeks 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 3717 times:
I did not say you made anything up. I was just wondering because my uncle happened to be the pilot telling me this information and i really trust him like any nephew would. so I would like to disscuss this with him and say where i got my info. I belived you from your first statement, ok
Yegbey01 From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 1711 posts, RR: 3 Reply 15, posted (9 years 10 months 2 weeks 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 3710 times:
To BEY with MEA,
Air Canada WANTS to fly to BEY. But they are not getting clearance from the government. Your uncle is telling you the truth. But our government here in Canada doesn't make their ownn decisions all the time. Our neighbours sometimes tell us what to do.... It's a shame but I am sure OS, OK, LH and all the European carriers wouldn't mind....
ToBEYwithMEA From Lebanon, joined Feb 2004, 304 posts, RR: 2 Reply 18, posted (9 years 10 months 2 weeks 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 3651 times:
I feel your pain and i know that your not trying to be rude, you are a BEY fan (i think) delivering the news and it happen to be bad.
well lets forget about YUL and foucs on GRU there more chance of that coming ture.
Airmale From Botswana, joined Sep 2004, 372 posts, RR: 2 Reply 21, posted (9 years 10 months 2 weeks 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 3548 times:
Interestingly Air Canada do not fly to any Muslim country, I even wrote to them in 1996 bringing the fact to their attention, specifically mentioning Morocco, Pakistan and Malaysia as their airlines were operating there and considering the large number of immigrants who are from those countries and contributing to the Canadian economy, they did reply that in the future they plan to add Pakistan but its nearing a decade to that and yet there's no Muslim country in their network I would have expected them to have been atleast in Morocco or Malaysia by now, Since then Egypt has also come onboard.
America allowed their carrier to fly to Egypt and Saudi Arabia, so why not Air Canada to Lebanon.
Cedarjet From United Kingdom, joined May 1999, 7812 posts, RR: 54 Reply 22, posted (9 years 10 months 2 weeks 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 3529 times:
Because Saudi and Egypt are US protectorates where the gov'ts follow instructions from Washington in exchange for billions of dollars (in the case of Egypt) and other assistance / protection (Saudi).
Lebanon, on the other hand, kicked the Americans out in 1983 (Reagan invaded Granada to distract the voters from the humiliating sight of 241 "peacekeepers" being flown home from Beirut in coffins - the highest US one-day death toll since WW2) and since then Lebanon has been free of US interference. Washington doesn't like this. Richard Perle himself said the Lebanese owe a "blood debt" that has to be "extracted". This is a matter of record in case it sounds as nutty to you as it does to me.
fly Saha Air 707s daily from Tehran's downtown Mehrabad to Mashhad, Kish Island and Ahwaz
Marco From United Arab Emirates, joined Jul 2000, 4168 posts, RR: 17 Reply 23, posted (9 years 10 months 2 weeks 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 3435 times:
Why must you always bring religion into airline issues? AC is not interested in serving destinations because of the religious make up, rather they go for demand. In this case, there's a lot of demand on the BEY-YUL route. Anyway Lebanon is not a Muslim country. It's a Christian/Muslim country.
Airmale From Botswana, joined Sep 2004, 372 posts, RR: 2 Reply 24, posted (9 years 10 months 2 weeks 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 3418 times:
Malaysia is 55% Muslim the rest are all other faiths, its identified as a Muslim country and its a member of the OIC, a grouping of countries where Muslims are in majority, of which Lebanon which has 60-70% Muslim population is also a member and is thus identified as a Muslim country, even if the state religion is not officially Islam, where ever Muslims are the majority its a Muslim country, same goes for any other faith, Israel is Jewish, Thailand and Sri Lanka are Bhuddist, India and Nepal are Hindu because of the majority, Bali Island in Muslim Indonesia is Hindu because of the majority nobody calls it Muslim, so if Christians were the majority or equal in Lebanon and it was not a member of OIC, I would not call it Muslim.
.....up there with the best!
25 BA: Will you stop bringing religion into this thread? What the hell does religion have to do with AC serving BEY? Just stop it, end it right now........ S
26 Yyz717: Why must you always bring religion into airline issues? AC is not interested in serving destinations because of the religious make up, rather they go
27 Airmale: Why? does religion scare you? ironic that in 20 years AC have never flown to any Muslim country despite the large Muslim community there.
28 Yyz717: ironic that in 20 years AC have never flown to any Muslim country despite the large Muslim community there. As suggested, there is obvously no profit
29 Airmale: Its not important, I just thought there was a large enough community there to have AC flying a 762ER to somewhere, considerng the fact that PIA were a
30 AirxLiban: Airmale, Lebanon is not a muslim country. It has nothing to do with this topic anyway. Religion is not a reason why airlines operate to certain destin
31 Airmale: Lebanon is not a Muslim country? read this http://www.cia.gov/cia/publications/factbook/geos/le.html, 70% Muslim and 30% Christain, what does it make
32 AirxLiban: WHO CARES IF AC HAS OPERATED TO A MUSLIM COUNTRY!!!!!!!! Having a muslim majority does not make a country muslim. Lebanon was founded by Christians an
33 Sonic: Lebanon is a muslim country because there is a muslim majority. In Lithuania we have 70% catholics and it is called a catholic country, although there
34 Airmale: Why dont you calm down, did I abuse you? is the word Muslim a threat to you I know you're the 'other' Lebanese, chill man. A Majority Identifies the C
35 AirxLiban: Airmale, don't assume what I am and what I am not. its obvious that this thread isn't about if AC flies to a muslim country or not. If you are so inte
36 Airmale: Please, for your information Lebanon is a Muslim country just as is Malaysia, sects dont really matter, Iraq is Muslim with the Shia sect in the major
37 Yegbey01: Why has this turned into a religious discussion. Lebanon Pre 1920 had a slight christian majority. But the French decided, Lebanon should encompass mo
38 Marco: Actually if we were to get into percentages, there are more Lebanese Christians if you take into account the Lebanese who have immigrated. Anyway Airm
39 AirxLiban: we could discuss this issue to death. but it is non aviation related and in any event there is no comparing Malaysia and Lebanon. Airmale...get it int
40 Yegbey01: The only thing that we are hearing is that some MEA captains are convinced that there wil be fligts between YUL and BEY. But based on this thread... I
41 ToBEYwithMEA: Peolpe, Look this is the same kind of argument that led the very nation that we are talking about (Lebanon) to kill 1000's of lives, destroy one of th
42 AirxLiban: Hey ToBEYwithMEA, I think the most legroom seat is the one in front of the door. Im going to suggest to http://www.seatguru.com that they include MEA
43 ToBEYwithMEA: ok Air Liban, My uncle is the pilot so i can get some info tonight Thanks. but www.seatguru.com does not have MEA toBEYwithMEA
44 Airmale: ToBEYwithMEA, Whats idiotic about comparing Malaysia and Lebanon? infact you and your chums sound more like it to me for being blind to the fact that
45 ToBEYwithMEA: Airmale, Maybe you should know this. Before the War in Lebanon the population 50/50 christian/muslim. After the war the muslim population increased b
46 FLYACYYZ: You guys need to give this topic a rest!! Forget the religious babble. Forget somebodys Uncle who works for MEA who knows more about Air Canada, than
47 Marco: ToBEYwithMEA, Habibi forget about Airmale. He always makes these provoking comments. As long as we correct him, that's all that matters. Let him argue
48 Kanebear: Discussing whether or not AC has served a Muslim country makes about as much sense as discussing what Bush and the US government think of AC serving B
49 Planenutz: Apparently, the decision to not launch YUL-BEY was entirely for securoty reasons, and indeed came initially from Washington. Read the article below fr
50 ToBEYwithMEA: Thats it I'm writing my U.S senator toYULwithMEA
51 Airmale: Marco I'm not provoking any one, just stating facts, if it provokes you and the others means that I'm right, which I am
52 Marco: If it makes you feel better to justify yourself and your religion (even though it sounds like insecurity to me) in every single thread, then so be it.
53 FLYYUL: oh god, Can you guys please get back to the main topic of discussion.
54 Airmale: No I'm not insecure its you and the others who always get worked up when "MUSLIM" and "ISLAM" are mentioned, and you and the others know the truth, OK
55 Sonic: Marco, I actually do not understand why you are so annoyed by this. So, he claims Lebanon is muslim (majority of people in Lebanon are actually muslim
56 Marco: Sonic, It bothers me because I'm from the Middle East and I don't like people spreading wrong information. Especially non-Arabs (Pakistani's) who thin
57 FLYYUL: The thing is, the same pax who wishes to go from YUL to BEY, can do the same with a transit in CAI/VIE/FRA/CDG/LHR/ATH/PRG which makes the whole reaso
58 Airmale: I know more buddy, because my aunt used to work for MEA she was an F/A hired specifically to deal with Pakistani passengers, and since childhood I hav
59 Marco: And I lived there, my parents lived there, we have property there and relatives too. What's your point Airmale? Sounds like a case of insecurity to me
60 Airmale: No insecurity on my part you're the one defending your faith, I'm just stating facts, as for Islam it just keeps growing and growing and growing
61 Marco: As is terrorism, lack of education, poverty, etc....Maybe you should concentrate on quality, not numbers. Seeing that you're form Pakistan you should
62 FLYYUL: Marco, Ease up buddy.. airmale dont even get me started on a religious debate please (you'll get your a$$ handed to you in a second). This is not the
63 MEA310: Marco-Airmale Your posts & anti-posts have gone way too far.Marco let Airmale think this way for as long as he wants,though you've proved him all wron
64 Airmale: Very good point Marco cant argue with that, if only Muslims would wake up from their slumber, so we can say Lebanon is a country with a Muslim majorit
65 Marco: MEA310, Thanks habibi. Actually I'm from Iraq, but I love your country. Mark, Since you started this thread, I'll get back to the topic. I still find
66 FLYYUL: Yeah given that most in Al-Qaeda are Saudi's, and given that most of hijackers were Saudi's, they would be banned from the planet if I was American ..
67 Marco: Mark, That's true. But trust me, Saudi Arabia has paid alot for the 9/11 attacks. Their whole education system (which used to be very extremist) has b
68 Airmale: FLYYUL do you see a debate on the do's and dont's of Christiany and other faiths anywhere?
69 Marco: Airmale this thread is about AC flying to BEY, not religion. You can search for sites or even debates on Islam on google if you want. Back to the topi
70 FLYYUL: Airmale, No I dont.. but if your gonna make remarks about what religions are better/flourishing etc, your gonna get a response from me, and it aint go
71 MEA310: Marco Well at least I assume you know more about Lebanon than Airmale.. Back to the topic, BEY indeed got punished because of American politics interf
72 Airmale: Looks like your a$$ got bothered by my comment, and Marco are you blind? go re read each post before posting, did I mention which religion is better?
73 Marco: Airmale, Lebanon is not a Muslim country (if you include the millions of Christians in Brazil, Canada, Australia, etc and subtract the Palistinian ref
74 Airmale: Gosh whats your problem? why the heck are you including third generation immigrants who according to one thread here dont even care about their links
75 FLYACYYZ: I'm getting really close to motioning that this entire thread be suggested for deletion. It has spooled over into an irrelevant discussion on religion
76 LH423: Guys, As much as I hate to admit it, the US did not say "Don't operate this flight". I mean, they could have, but in case you haven't noticed Canada i
77 Varig md-11: all I have to say is that I am sorry AC is not flying to BEY, but at the same time I am very happy since AF is going to make millions € benefit with
78 Airmale: All diversions in Pakistan related to India flights go through that, due to the paranoia that surrounds the two states, only in extreme cases are pass
79 Varig md-11: LH423 Hey dude, I don't know you and I don't want to sound too bitchy but when you say: "I don't think the US said to Canada "Let this route operate a
80 BA: STOP THE RELIGIOUS BICKERING!!!!!!!!!!!! I have been avoiding this thread, but now after reading these replies...just the sight of them causes me to v