Behramjee From Canada, joined Aug 2003, 4439 posts, RR: 43 Reply 4, posted (9 years 3 months 2 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 3924 times:
hmm...I wonder if EK would be open and be allowed to fly this new route DXB-BOM-SYD ...hehehe wishful thinking aint it!!! But seriously they would mint $$$ of the BOM-SYD-BOM segment because of the lack direct flights between the 2 countries where there is a lot demand!!!
Another 2 routes which may work are DXB-KUL-SYD...only MAS flies KUL-SYD who codeshare with MEA and QR on this route so some competition to MAS here can be provided. And lastly...DXB-DPS-SYD...QF flies the SYD-DPS route but on an old B 767 which has a hopeless product compared to EKs A 345s!!! EK too by flying to DPS (BALI) can get a lot of European-Arab traffic bound for the v popular Indonesian island city.
However overall if they do start a third daily to SYD nonstop from DXB this will only hurt even more of BAs-QFs-SQs-CXs-MASs-TGs etc's market share on European-Middle Eastern-Indian and African flights.
Kaitak From Ireland, joined Aug 1999, 11952 posts, RR: 37 Reply 6, posted (9 years 3 months 2 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 3855 times:
Any word on the proposed DXB-BKK-ADL service?
I think that one of EK's main concerns is its lack of aircraft; the proposed second daily to Birmingham has been delayed, so it may well be short of aircraft (indeed Sheikh Maktoum has said as much). Perhaps they're waiting for more aircraft before they can do this?
I think that as far as SYD is concerned, they are waiting for approval for a second daily, which Australia is apparently reluctant to authorise.
They currently fly 4 flights a day to Australia altogether - daily to each of PER/BNE/MEL/SYD.
EK413 From Australia, joined Nov 2003, 3906 posts, RR: 4 Reply 7, posted (9 years 3 months 2 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 3757 times:
Sebwhite
"Is it 3 daily to SYD or 3 daily to Australia? Because right now the summer schedule shows DXB-SYD-AKL, DXB-SIN-BNE-AKL, DXB-SIN-MEL-AKL, and DXB-PER".
Akumas
"You do know there are more cities in Australia then Sydney"?
"OZ" = Australia, not Sydney!
Sorry guys "Emirates To Commence 3 Daily Services to Sydney"!!!
That's what the post should say!!!
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EK413,
"Last I heard Emirates were trying to get a 2nd Sydney flight, let alone approval for a third"!!
Coming from the sources at work it will be 3 flights a day. I remember attending a meeting 2 weeks prior to Emirates commencing their DXB-SYD direct service it was mention that Emirates had a EXTRA 2 daily DXB-SYD services in mind.
Zizou From Australia, joined Oct 2000, 1527 posts, RR: 5 Reply 9, posted (9 years 3 months 2 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 3728 times:
Behramjee,
Lauda/Austrian Airlines flied between KUL and SYD vv daily with B777-200s. so MAS is not the only one on that route. Additionally, Qantas doesn't fly to Denpasar any more, its their subsidiary Australian Airlines withe their B767-300s.
EK413 From Australia, joined Nov 2003, 3906 posts, RR: 4 Reply 10, posted (9 years 3 months 2 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 3663 times:
Ba319-131
"What have they in mind,world domination"?
From what was said at the presentation meeting at my work it was clearly stated that Emirates wants to go from a "GREAT CARRIER" and become "THE BEST CARRIER IN THE WORLD"!
Emirates777 From Tanzania, joined Feb 2000, 655 posts, RR: 3 Reply 11, posted (9 years 3 months 2 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 3547 times:
It wouldn't surprise me if they got approval for extra flights to SYD. I read in the Australian Financial Review earlier this week that a favourable decision was expected for Emirates application for additional flights. Furthermore conversations i've had recently with EK flight crew indicate a high degree of internal conviction that extra flights will happen. I understand the decision will be made official at the end of the month with a mid year start. This related to a 2nd daily which would be operated non-stop using A340-500s. The decision to take on the ex AC A340-500s is probably related to starting the extra SYD frequencies. However it doesn't surprise me that Emirates uses its current opportunity to secure a 3rd daily in the future since the long-term plans call for a min. 3-4 daily flights on the trunk routes out DXB.
EK413 From Australia, joined Nov 2003, 3906 posts, RR: 4 Reply 12, posted (9 years 3 months 2 weeks 1 day ago) and read 3350 times:
Emirates777
It wouldn't surprise me if they got approval for extra flights to SYD. I read in the Australian Financial Review earlier this week that a favourable decision was expected for Emirates application for additional flights. Furthermore conversations i've had recently with EK flight crew indicate a high degree of internal conviction that extra flights will happen. I understand the decision will be made official at the end of the month with a mid year start. This related to a 2nd daily which would be operated non-stop using A340-500s. The decision to take on the ex AC A340-500s is probably related to starting the extra SYD frequencies. However it doesn't surprise me that Emirates uses its current opportunity to secure a 3rd daily in the future since the long-term plans call for a min. 3-4 daily flights on the trunk routes out DXB.
JeffrySkY From Singapore, joined Feb 2004, 177 posts, RR: 0 Reply 15, posted (9 years 3 months 2 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 3153 times:
Wow .. 3 daily services to SYD ..
Emirates is really putting a lot of pressure on the Asian carriers who profit on the kangaroo route .. wonder how are we going to compete with EK when they have it all going so smoothly?
Looks like SQ/MH/CX really need very good reasons to woo the passengers over , with EK dangling such good deals plus excellent connections like luscious lollies in front of regular patrons of the OZ-Europe route.
Thestooges From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 17, posted (9 years 3 months 1 week 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 2960 times:
The flight from SYD to DXB from what I've heard is about 14 hours long. Couldnt a 777-200 make this flight, Continental flies that aircraft non-stop from EWR to HKG which is 16 hours long.
Emirates has had the 772 for quite some time. Why have they not been flying SYD-DXB for years now. Doesnt the 772 carry more PAX than the A345 anyway.
EK413 From Australia, joined Nov 2003, 3906 posts, RR: 4 Reply 18, posted (9 years 3 months 1 week 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 2786 times:
According to the airbus site the A340-500 is capable of flying 8,650 nautical miles/16,000 kilometers with a full passenger payload AND the B777-200 8,320 nautical miles + correct me if I'm wrong, I don't think that B772 is based on a full payload?
I personally prefer 4 over twin operations.....
My WILD guess is that Emirates didn't want to operate with ETOPS?
VH-BZF From Australia, joined Oct 1999, 781 posts, RR: 0 Reply 20, posted (9 years 3 months 1 week 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 2730 times:
In the Jan/Feb edition of Australian Aviation magazine, Emirates president & CEO - Tim Clark, stated that EK might consider operating direct flights to Canberra, stating that EK was well known for using non-hub airports, such as Birmingham & Dusseldorf & soon would fly to Glasgow.
EK was lobbying the Australian government for TWO daily flights to Sydney. EK starts its second daily service to Melbourne in June, with the addition of a non-stop A340-500 service from DXB to complement the existing B777-300 service via SIN.
My personal thoughts are that is laughable that EK would want to operate a direct flight to Canberra, maybe as an add-on of a flight to Adelaide or something but not as a stand-alone service, there just wouldn't be a market for it, I would have thought?????? Time will tell though!!
Cheers - BZF
Ansett Australia - (was) One of the worlds great airlines!
Gigneil From United States of America, joined Nov 2002, 16215 posts, RR: 88 Reply 21, posted (9 years 3 months 1 week 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 2681 times:
No flying B777-200 can fly anywhere near 8320 nm.
The longest range highest mtow 777-200er can barely fly 7700nm.
Frequently flying times DXB-SYD can be 16 hours, and DXB is extremely hot and hi, causing the 772 to take weight restrictions. The high thrust 345 can go out full of passengers and cargo every time.
Scotron11 From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2004, 1178 posts, RR: 3 Reply 23, posted (9 years 3 months 1 week 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 2620 times:
I would imagine EK would not only put pressure on Asian carriers but also on BA/QF. With their network from MAN/GLA/LHR/LGW and other European cities, they can certainly give BA/QF a run for their money!
EK413 From Australia, joined Nov 2003, 3906 posts, RR: 4 Reply 24, posted (9 years 3 months 1 week 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 2530 times:
Gigneil
No flying B777-200 can fly anywhere near 8320 nm.
The longest range highest mtow 777-200er can barely fly 7700nm.
Frequently flying times DXB-SYD can be 16 hours, and DXB is extremely hot and hi, causing the 772 to take weight restrictions. The high thrust 345 can go out full of passengers and cargo every time.
From what I have read on the B777-200 it has a minimum range of 4,350 nm and maximum range of 8,320 nm. The B777-200X/LR will have a maximum range of 8,860 nm.
ANstar
Still EK413 this post is misleading, it has always been Emirates desire to have more flights to Sydney....
Currently they only have approval for 1 flight!
Lets see how they go getting approval for the 2nd before we think about the 3rd.
ANstar
Let's just wait and see what happens in June.........
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25 Kaitak: While I agree that the crucial point as far as EK's nonstops to Australia are concerned, is the departure performance from DXB, the 777-200ER does in
26 EK413: Let's remember one thing about Emirates when they began services to Sydney in 2000 they operated a A332 4 times a week, upgraded to a 772,later upgrad
27 Mas777: with regards to the conditions at DXB - Malaysia Airlines seems to manage to operate its 777-200ERs from DXB to EWR without too many problems except f
28 Mas777: btw - any news of Emirates planned expansion at KUL. They seem to be doing rather well there both with transit traffic (via DXB) and point-to-point si
29 Kaitak: The big problem for EK seems, at the moment, to be the difficulty in getting aircraft with which to expand. A330-200s are at a premium and it doesn't
30 EK413: Kaitak I also wonder if EK has any interest on the 777s Delta says it doesn't want; they are RR powered after all! You made a good point there! Maybe
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...hehehe wishful thinking aint it!!! But seriously they would mint $$$ of the BOM-SYD-BOM segment because of the lack direct flights between the 2 countries where there is a lot demand!!!
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