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User currently offlineLalone From Spain, joined Jan 2004, 45 posts, RR: 1
Posted (10 years 5 months 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 4586 times:


IB will look to replace part of its fleet in the near future, mainly:

24 MD 87
13 MD 88
17 BOEING 757
22 AIRBUS A320 (EARLY AC WITH CFM56-5A1 ENGINES)

and although Airbus A320 Family is the most likely ac that will replace the above mentioned Boeing 737 NG could be a possibility so as not to have 1 only ac supplier for all the fleet....and though my last thread was critiziced by people who thought I wanted to trash Airbus in favour of Boeing I will emphasize that A340-600 is still not performing as planned,although dispt reliabilty has improved over the past weeks. It remains to be seen if IB will stick to the A340-600.

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User currently offlineGreg From United Kingdom, joined May 2005, 0 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (10 years 5 months 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 4507 times:

Uh....EADS CASA is partner of Airbus.
Spain will stick to bus.
I do understand that Boeing apologized over the 773 fiasco...but I'm not sure how.
Anybody know?

Interestingly, EADS CASA makes some composite parts for Boeing--small world.


User currently offlineLalone From Spain, joined Jan 2004, 45 posts, RR: 1
Reply 2, posted (10 years 5 months 4 days ago) and read 4451 times:

well AEROSPATIALE is FRENCH a mayor partner in EADS and AF does not rely ONLY on Airbus for its fleet it has a good amount of Boeing AC, and so does BA, while British Aerospace is another main partner in EADS. The only Airline besides IB that has turned its back on Boeing lately seems to be LH.

User currently offlineBehramjee From Canada, joined Aug 2003, 4745 posts, RR: 44
Reply 3, posted (10 years 5 months 4 days ago) and read 4447 times:

Even SWISS has turned its back on BOEING as has AER LINGUS-EASY JET and BMI.

User currently offlineConcordeBoy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (10 years 5 months 4 days ago) and read 4440 times:

The only Airline besides IB that has turned its back on Boeing lately seems to be LH.

*cough* SA & U2! *cough cough*

 Angry


User currently offlineLalone From Spain, joined Jan 2004, 45 posts, RR: 1
Reply 5, posted (10 years 5 months 4 days ago) and read 4400 times:


I was referring to an airline belonging to a country with major stakes in EADS.

It is true that most European airlines have selected Airbus over Boeing for it short haul fleet: IB,AF,BA,LH,SW,AZ,TP,BMI,JKK. Only KLM, SAS, AEA, and a few other are flying 737, but on the long haul business it is a different story BA, KLM, AZ, AF have a strong fleet of B 777 or B 7474 while IB, LH, SAS, TP have chosen the A330/ A340.


User currently offlineAnxebla From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (10 years 5 months 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 4354 times:

Lalone ¡Cuánto tiempo!....
How is the weather now in Everett? Cold,isn't? And the same for Boeing's shares?  Big grin Sorry for you,but IB will continue like an Airbus' customer for many years.Ah...The chance to see the B-737NG into IB's fleet is the same than FC. Barcelona has in to be the next football/soccer champion in the Spanish national league.


User currently offlineWingman From Seychelles, joined May 1999, 2181 posts, RR: 5
Reply 7, posted (10 years 5 months 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 4325 times:

You think they'll try to bullshit Boeing into bidding for the sale again? That'd be interesting. I think IB played Boeing for fools for the last time and they'll pay top dollar from now on as Airbus will know better than fall for the same trap again as well.

User currently offlineKalakaua From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 1516 posts, RR: 5
Reply 8, posted (10 years 5 months 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 4271 times:

Unless the so-called "airlines" look past alliances, (ie EU, EADS, etc...) they'll be killing themselves from the inside. AF is doing great despite their influences from Airbus. Everything else, I'll leave it up to the true experts, and not the "experts." Iberia, I laugh at them.


Gravity explains the motions of the planets, but it cannot explain who set the planets in motion.
User currently offlineAnxebla From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (10 years 5 months 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 4231 times:

"THEY'LL BE KILLING THEMSELVES FROM THE INSIDE".... Can you explain this? I can't understand.And why IB is "funny" for you?Why do you laugh of them?
Just because IB is an Airbus customer and doesn't buy Boeing like AF?
Please, be more serious "Future Aeroespace Engineer"


User currently offlineN79969 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (10 years 5 months 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 4216 times:

I don't see Boeing making much effort to get a sale here either....they got played for fools by Iberia. I think Airbus can rest assured that it will get Iberia's next airplane order.

User currently offlineYyz717 From Canada, joined Sep 2001, 16239 posts, RR: 56
Reply 11, posted (10 years 5 months 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 4184 times:

What 773 fiasco?

There have been reports that IB is not happy with the 346 but no indication whether they are reviewing their commitment to the aircraft. If so, this would give the 773 another chance.

As for the M87/M88....there is no rush need to replace them altho the 319/320 seems the most logical choice. Dont know if the 717 has a chance.






Panam, TWA, Ansett, Eastern.......AC next? Might be good for Canada.
User currently offlineKalakaua From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 1516 posts, RR: 5
Reply 12, posted (10 years 5 months 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 4169 times:

Haha... A B717? "Mr. Iberia" expert(s) here say no way Boeing!!! According to Iberia, Boeing sucks... Boeing aircrafts do not fit Iberia's fleet.


Gravity explains the motions of the planets, but it cannot explain who set the planets in motion.
User currently offlineLalone From Spain, joined Jan 2004, 45 posts, RR: 1
Reply 13, posted (10 years 5 months 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 4147 times:


As said before this will probably bee IB fleet in the near future:

24 MD87 REPLACED BY A319
13 MD88 REPLACED BY A320
17 B757 REPLACED BY A321 that means that IB would have a fleet of

28 A319 / 70 A320 / 25 A321 for a total of 123 A319/320/321 however due to the conditions of the merger of former domestic airline AVIACO, their pilots must fly a separate fleet from IB that is why the B 737NG comes into place, although the A320 family seems more logical. The long range fleet will be
18 A340-300
12 A340-600
but once again lets see what happens with the 340-600. By 2006 the old 747 is meant to be history.


User currently offlineLalone From Spain, joined Jan 2004, 45 posts, RR: 1
Reply 14, posted (10 years 5 months 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 4117 times:


By the way Anxebla you seem to be cousin of Mr Foreguard Airbus CEO...but as of me I am only a pilot who has flown both planes, and I express my opinion. I don´t have shares in Boeing, and neither in Airbus (EADS) but I am objective and I recognize Airbus products to be superior to Boeing in some cases (A320 vs B737) (A330vsB767) and not in others (B777vsA340) and I wished IB had a dual fleet, because it is too strongly tied to Airbus and it is not a clever financial bet. No operator of the size of IB has an all manufacturer fleet. Imagine if Boeing of Airbus decided to increase 25% the price of spare parts or if one of Airbus or Boeing planes had to be grounded because of a major failure (it has happened before with other planes) if your whole fleet relies on one model you could ground your airline, is that clever? NO.


User currently offlineKalakaua From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 1516 posts, RR: 5
Reply 15, posted (10 years 5 months 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 4096 times:

Anxebla, don't underestimate me. Though you may think I may be young and naive, but don't play me out as a fool. Unlike yourself, I critique instead of being biased. I have an open mind, and don't judge according to what is given. "Future Aerospace Engineers" don't always think logical. We have to be creative as well. If you understood what I have just said, you should then understand why "I laugh at Iberia."


Gravity explains the motions of the planets, but it cannot explain who set the planets in motion.
User currently offlineJoseMEX From Mexico, joined Oct 1999, 1539 posts, RR: 25
Reply 16, posted (10 years 5 months 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 4074 times:

>>due to the conditions of the merger of former domestic airline AVIACO, their pilots must fly a separate fleet from IB<<

Lalone, could you be more specific? How long into the future are those conditions supposed to be valid? This is quite an interesting point.


User currently offlineB752fanatic From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 918 posts, RR: 8
Reply 17, posted (10 years 5 months 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 4043 times:

I think that IB should consider the B717 in their fleet, when they take out the MD's.

Replacing those MD's with 717's would help the 717 program.




"Truth is more of a stranger than fiction." Mark Twain
User currently offlineB752fanatic From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 918 posts, RR: 8
Reply 18, posted (10 years 5 months 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 4038 times:

Hey lalone, do you know why they are taking one of the A319's here in MIA to MAD?, I heard it was maintanence.

For a week we will be flying an A320 (until the A319 comes back), using it for the SJO flights.



"Truth is more of a stranger than fiction." Mark Twain
User currently offlineIberia340600 From Spain, joined Oct 2003, 804 posts, RR: 14
Reply 19, posted (10 years 5 months 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 3909 times:

B752:

Yes, most likely for maitenance! Even the babybuses need to go to Madrid from time to time for maintenance. Hey..if you can...take a pic of the A320 in Miami...I would love to see a pic of the A320 there! What registration is there?

Actually...B752...I just checked...and the A319's are not going to Madrid for maintenance...they are having their C checks done by TACA..where? Im not sure. All 4 A319's are scheduled...so you will have the A320 down there in Miami until the end of the month!

[Edited 2004-02-09 16:50:47]


Visca Barça!!
User currently offlineAnxebla From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 20, posted (10 years 5 months 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 3797 times:

Lalone:
To be cousin of Airbus CEO...umm, it sound very well.
By the way...I'm a humble airport worker who seem to Know more than a A-320's pilot.Do you remember your previous topic...you said IB's oldest A343 has a poor performance and it's worst year per year.This you say,is NOT true.
The oldest A340-300 (GGS) continue in service to airports like BOG.
The Airbus A340-300 is and has been a very good aircraft for IB and IB is and has been very happy with them (Like SAS,LH,LA,CX,Royal Jordanian etc etc..)
I have my sources...the mechanic and engineers of maintenance at Madrid-Barajas airport.
You say too:"I WISHED IB HAS A DUAL FLEET,BECAUSE IT'S TOO STRONGLY TIED TO AIRBUSAND IT IS NOT A CLEVER FINANCIAL BET.NO OPERATOR OF THE SIZE OF IB HAS ON ALL MANUFACTURER FLEET"
What about Delta and Continental airlines??? For your info, both airlines are ALL BOEING operators.
In the past (just 10 years ago) IB had MANY types of planes (DC-9/10,B-727/747/757 and Airbus A-300/320) EVEN for a short time 737-300 and 767.
IB's maintenance mechanics was...  Nuts with this "DUAL" fleet.IB was called "the little IATA"
To have many types of planes no help to saving maintenance costs.
And what about your "PILOTS (Aviaco) MUST FLY A SEPARATE FLEET FROM IB THAT IS WHY THE B737NG COMES INTO PLACE" I remember said for you:"I RECOGNIZE AIRBUS PRODUCTS TO BE SUPERIOR TO BOEING IN SOME CASES
(A320 vs B737, A330 vs B767)" Then...WHY ex-AO pilots MUST fly a separate fleet from IB???? As well as AO now is History,AO NEVER was an 737 customer/operator.
Well...this happen for to mistake and to mix differents concepts (like we say in Spanish:por confundir la velocidad con el tocino...a literal translation into Eng can be "for to mistake speed with fatty pork")
And ONE MORE TIME:Which are your sources??? You seem to Know of ALL about Iberia and you seem haven't got any source.


User currently offlineAnxebla From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 21, posted (10 years 5 months 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 3743 times:

Kalakaua:
I don't understimate you.But really I can't understand your point of view.You must be more clear.Remember eng. language is not my mother tongue.
By the way...thank you very much for your info about Vietnam Airlines  Smile


User currently offlineUA865 From El Salvador, joined May 2000, 115 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (10 years 5 months 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 3717 times:

TACA maintanance base is in SAL. It's called AEROMAN. I saw a couple of AeroLineas Argentinas 737-200 the last time I was there.

UA 865


User currently offlineLalone From Spain, joined Jan 2004, 45 posts, RR: 1
Reply 23, posted (10 years 5 months 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 3631 times:


Anexbla I don´t know what kind of work you do at the airport but don´t talk about what you dont have a clue about. I will not expose confidential information in this forum but I can assure you that engine performance degradation has been a real and costly problem in IB A340-300 fleet....that doesn´t mean that the ac can´t fly they are perfectly fit to fly but have required heavier and costly maintenance ..and how many A340-600 flights have been cancelled because of AOG? Many more than IB would want.....so don´t give me lessons on flying or aircraft, I should know better than a mere bagagge loader, truck driver or whoever you are...and it is true in the past IB had lots of ac models in its fleet but there is a halfway between that and having just one model...having said that I will not want to discuss anything else with you.


User currently offlineAnxebla From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 24, posted (10 years 5 months 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 3564 times:

What Kind of confidential info could you have? Are you a pilot or IB's CEO? I don't believe nothing about you and your infos (confidential or not).





25 GoAibusGo : Anxebla, you show those pilots who is boss !
26 Wingman : Well, if Anxebla ever gets run over by a 320 while replacing runway lights at MAD I think we'll have a prime suspect.
27 Tolosy : Hi there, In the past, many airlines just had Boeing fleet. 737.707.727. It was not a problem as far as I know. IB , AF LH and many more have chosen A
28 Post contains images Varig md-11 : funny this concern about an all 'bus fleet that would destroy companies from the inside...at the time (not so long ago) when airlines had 90% seattle
29 Motorhussy : Does anyone know if IB has considered/is considering the A332? This would be perfect for smaller destinations in the Caribbean, Central America and th
30 AA787 : Why don't they move their 319's from MIA to MAD and replace them with 73G? They could then share maintenance with AA. I don't know if this is possibl
31 Post contains links Mt99 : stupid to send a narrowbody from MIA to MAD just for maintenance. I belive thet Iberia's Maintence is done in El Salvador by the AEROMAN division of
32 Anxebla : No for the moment,Motorhussy.IB's destinations with A-343 to S.America/Miami are always full (ocupation ratio between 70-100%) If you someday take an
33 Motorhussy : ¡Hola Anxebla! I did not know that IB served Central and the Caribbean from the Miami hub. Makes sense! Gracias MH
34 B752fanatic : Oh, so they are going to take them to SAL. So not MAD, ohh I thought so, since they told me that they take them to MAD, since their maintanence base i
35 Iberia340600 : B752: Yes...today was the first flight of the A320 from MIA to SJO! Whats the registration? I didnt get a chance to look at it today in our system. Th
36 Jopavon : Accoding to justplanes.com, IB will lease 2 Airbus A330-200s from TAM with delivery scheduled in Jun04. Iberia will replace an Airbus A340 on its dail
37 Viper777 : Jopavan, You beat me to it, I just read that too on the "alternative" site! Viper777
38 Greaser : Play Boeing once, shame on you Play Boeing twice, shame on us (boeing).
39 B752fanatic : Iberia340600, The registration is EC-IEF "Castillo de Loarre". That a/c is younger than the A319's that IB has down here.
40 Copa737 : There is any chance to see that IB A320 here in Panama City?? Best Regards, Felipe
41 B752fanatic : I dont think so felipe, sorry. All of the MIA mini hub flights to Central america have been sold as A319. But sometimes we have some problems with the
42 AZMD80 : In my opinion MD 87/88 and old A320 fleet will be sobsituited by new A32S. In particular long range MD88 used on some medium houl route will be well s
43 JGPH1A : I seem to recall an episode when IB had ordered A321 aircraft (possibly to replace the 757's), but their pilots' union refused to consider the A321 as
44 Donder10 : Iberia have a number of 321s now.I thought they were planned to replace the 757 over the next few years.
45 Post contains images S.p.a.s. : JGPH1A, I recall something about this too, I think they wanted a salary increase as they would be flying a "heavier" plane of the same family or somet
46 B752fanatic : "I wonder if they got a salary reduction when IB introduced the A319" I dont think so, IB only operates the A319 in MIA (4 in total), and from what I
47 AZMD80 : On an other topics I've read of A332 ex TAM used by IB. I think that it will be a great aurcraft for many atlantic route and to replace A340 on medium
48 B752fanatic : "think that it will be a great aurcraft for many atlantic route and to replace A340 on medium route.( for instance one time I flew from MAD to Teneru
49 Iberia340600 : JGPH1A: You are right...there was an issue with the pilots union and commonality in flying the 319/320/321. IB was ready to scrap the A321's but IB an
50 Iberia340600 : B752: I am happy to see that one of the newer A320's were sent down to MIA! Im hoping to see some pics of it in MIA. Let me know if you are able to ta
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