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What Was The Demise Of Delta's A310s?  
User currently offlineMTChemNerd757 From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 230 posts, RR: 2
Posted (10 years 10 months 2 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 6291 times:

Hey, can anyone tell me what happened to Delta's A310s after they were retired by Delta? Were they sold, scrapped, still sitting in the desert, etc? Are any of them still flying? Same question with their 747-100s?

Thanks!
Brad


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User currently offlineCorey07850 From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 2528 posts, RR: 5
Reply 1, posted (10 years 10 months 2 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 6239 times:

I believe most were sold to other airlines (Aeroflot, Air Jamaica, FedEx) but I could be wrong.

Does anyone know why DL bought A310's and not more 737's?


User currently offlineJAL777 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (10 years 10 months 2 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 6223 times:

The A310's were inherited from Pan Am. Simply put... they didn't serve a purpose in Delta's fleet and were quickly sold off.

User currently offlineIndustrialPate From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (10 years 10 months 2 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 6219 times:

The A310 ranged from brand new to only a few years old... the -200 were sold to FexEx, the -300 were sold to a leasing company (or companies) and scattered among various airlines...

User currently offlineSpeedbirdHeavy From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 427 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (10 years 10 months 2 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 6191 times:

Did they ever fly in service for DL, or where they immediately sold off after the acquisitions and never carried the DL livery?


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User currently offlineJAL777 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (10 years 10 months 2 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 6165 times:

Not only did they carry the Delta livery... but I had the oppurtunity to fly in one twice.  Smile

User currently offlineDeltaffindfw From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 1447 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (10 years 10 months 2 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 6166 times:


There are several pages of photos on a.net of the DL A310.


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User currently offlineJBirdAV8r From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 4491 posts, RR: 21
Reply 7, posted (10 years 10 months 2 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 6115 times:

Yes, some were delivered factory new to Delta from Airbus (Pan Am's outstanding order).


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User currently offlineKrags From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 47 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (10 years 10 months 2 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 6050 times:

Delta didn't fly them for long but they did make some improvements to the interiors. The main thing they did was remove some seats. Pan Am had a lot of seats crammed in these birds and Delta increased the seat pitch. Delta didn't need the 767-300 and the A310 so one had to go. They ended up flying on some domestic routes before they were gone. I would have liked to have seen one of Pan Am's A300s in the Delta colors.

User currently offlineHirisk From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 223 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (10 years 10 months 2 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 6012 times:

as for the 747's.delta never bought any that i'm aware of.they don't have the routes that would need a 47.


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User currently offlineHlywdCatft From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 5321 posts, RR: 6
Reply 10, posted (10 years 10 months 2 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 5997 times:

After Pan Am died, Delta took over the Pan Am European routes. There used to be a Delta A310 route that went DTW-LHR. I don't know how Delta didn't keep LHR after that with only UA and AA getting LHR from USA. The DTW-LHR route only lasted a year or two with Delta before Northwest got the Detroit-London route but now going to LGW instead.

The A310 was definitely an oddball in the fleet which already had planes from three other companies- Boeing, Lockheed and McDD.

Think about the widebody fleet during that time...

Boeing 767-200
Boeing 767-300
L1011
DC-10-10 (from Western merger)
MD-11
A310

yes the A310s for the most part went to Fed Ex


User currently offlineMikeclod From United States of America, joined Dec 2001, 272 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (10 years 10 months 2 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 5841 times:

Anybody have the tail #'s of the ones that went to FedEx?
Thanks, Mikeclod


User currently offlineConcordeBoy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (10 years 10 months 2 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 5803 times:

as for the 747's.delta never bought any that i'm aware of

DL did indeed purchase and op the 741


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User currently offlineSolnabo From Sweden, joined Jan 2008, 858 posts, RR: 2
Reply 13, posted (10 years 10 months 2 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 5740 times:

No €uropeans in an all-Everett fleet...
Tragic!

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User currently offlineDeltaMD11 From United States of America, joined Dec 2002, 1701 posts, RR: 34
Reply 14, posted (10 years 10 months 2 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 5661 times:

Hirisk,
DL was in fact one of the very first customers for the 747-100 they just didn't last long (1970-1977).


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User currently offlineJMChladek From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 331 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (10 years 10 months 2 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 5607 times:

Main reason Delta got the 74s and then got rid of them was because they were a bit big for domestic routes when the economic downturn in the 70s came and Delta didn't have any international destinations at the time (or at least none that I am aware of). So, they discontinued their 747 service. American was in a similar situation with their 741s, but they had a little more lucrative routing and they were a bit more creative in terms of keeping their 741 service a bit longer. But a lot of American's 747s got stored or sold off in the mid 1970s as well with one becoming NASA 905, the first shuttle carrier aircraft.

User currently offlineDL685 From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 48 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (10 years 10 months 2 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 5535 times:

I do know that 2 of Delta's 747-100 are in service with Polar Air Cargo

User currently offlineLuv2fly From United States of America, joined May 2003, 12150 posts, RR: 49
Reply 17, posted (10 years 10 months 2 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 5392 times:

The route when PA flew it did go DTW - LHR after the sale of routes to UA the route was moved to LGW as only two US carriers are allowed to fly to LHR at anytime. DL flew the route DTW to LGW before selling it to NW.

[Edited 2004-02-09 14:46:46]


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User currently offlineOobitsa From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 79 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (10 years 10 months 2 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 5362 times:

I had a hunch that I had flown on one of these A310s on an Aeroflot flight from Vladivostok to Moscow in January 2002. I couldn't help but think that the somewhat ratty interior looked like Delta's. The A310's are ideal for an 8 hour domestic flight.

User currently offlineAirsicknessbag From Germany, joined Aug 2000, 4723 posts, RR: 33
Reply 19, posted (10 years 10 months 2 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 5303 times:


I flew on two DL A310s in 1994, FRA-ATH-FRA. That was part of the ATL-FRA-ATH flight. (DL20/24 iirc.)

Daniel Smile


User currently offlineOobitsa From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 79 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (10 years 10 months 2 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 5239 times:

One of the ex Delta birds now with Aeroflot:


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User currently offlineFlagshipAZ From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 3419 posts, RR: 14
Reply 21, posted (10 years 10 months 2 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 5230 times:

Delta has operated 7 A310-200s & 23 A310-300s, including the ships from Pan Am. DL also had 5 747-132s briefly. Regards.

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User currently offlineN312RC From United States of America, joined Aug 2000, 2683 posts, RR: 16
Reply 22, posted (10 years 10 months 2 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 5180 times:

Delta did operate DTW-LHR with those A310's and the route was sold to NWA and became DTW-LGW. I would like to point out that DTW does still get LHR service with BA (772).


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User currently offlinePVD757 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 3420 posts, RR: 16
Reply 23, posted (10 years 10 months 2 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 5133 times:

I fairly certain that SATA (S4) operates some of DL's ex-A310-300's...

User currently offlineGr8slvrflt From United States of America, joined Jan 2002, 1609 posts, RR: 10
Reply 24, posted (10 years 10 months 2 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 5104 times:

To my recollection, Delta acquired A300s and A310-200s as part of their purchase of some of Pan Am's assets. The A300s were disposed of immediately and never operated by Delta. The A310-200s were used for a while but replaced by NEW A310-300s ordered from Airbus. I don't believe these were old Pan Am orders. Delta tried to purchase the old Eastern hangar in Atlanta for their Airbus maintenance base but the city of Atlanta was holding up that sale. The city wanted another airline to come in and takeover the base as part of a hub operation. Northwest and TWA were the prime candidates. Delta decided instead to contract Airbus maintenance to it's then Quality Alliance partner, Swissair.

When Delta started hemmoraging red ink in the mid 90s the Frankfurt hub was scrapped, most trans-Pacific routes were dropped and the Airbus became a victim of fleet simplification. Shortly thereafter Delta signed an exclusive agreement with Boeing. Of course, Delta did evenutally get the Eastern hangar.


25 LHMark : I was under the impression that Delta used them on ATL-TXL for a while. Am I correct?
26 Luv2fly : No DL never flew the route into LHR, check your facts. Once PA sold the routes to UA, UA did not want the DTW to LHR route, had UA bought it they coul
27 SQ25J : In reference to DL's 747-Evergreen International has 2 of the the 747-132, although they were delivered new to China Airlines. DL's 310's were a casua
28 Post contains links Scorpio : The 7 A310-200s all went to FedEx, where they are currently flying as N416FE to N422FE. 2 of the -300s eventuallly also ended up with FedEx, after ser
29 Crosswind : The A310s were certainly used on services out of ATL - they were the scheduled equipment for Delta's daily ATL-MAN flights in 1991/1992. Later in 1992
30 Post contains images Hirisk : thanx for correcting me MD11.i wasen't even alive when DL had 741's. guess you learn something new everyday! thnx for the pics
31 DeltaMIA : DL A310's were used on what was considered low yield routes. They were configured with 3 different 3 class configurations and yes even flew on some do
32 Gigneil : Delta did place a separate order for A310-300s. The ones delivered new to DL were not part of an outstanding Pan Am order. N
33 Rutankrd : For those that said Delta have never served LHR this is not strictly true . In fact in the seventies they had a joint service with Pan Am that actuall
34 Post contains links and images Rutankrd : View Large View MediumPhoto © Ray Pettit Joint Pan-AM flight by Delta B747 at Heathrow
35 TOLtommy : Think about the widebody fleet during that time... Boeing 767-200 Boeing 767-300 L1011 DC-10-10 (from Western merger) MD-11 A310 ---------------------
36 Luv2fly : DL never served LHR from DTW! I knew about the shared flights with PA. I was pointing out that the route DL bought from PA, after PA sold the LHR rout
37 MTChemNerd757 : ok, stupid question, but what is the 'bermuda 2' (and when) and why does it only allow 2 US carriers into LHR?
38 Post contains images DeltaMD11 : Hirisk, That's what we're here for--to learn
39 Panamair : In total, 7 A310-200s (N801PA - N807PA) and 14 A310-300s (N811PA - N824PA) went over to Delta from Pan Am in November 1991. No A300s (N201PA - 213PA,
40 AirGabon : DL still flies a daily JFK-NCE-JFK with a B763. (in the past with an A313). In the past, DL flew daily ATL-BRU-NCE-BRU-ATL with a L1011.
41 JohnJ : I flew on a Delta A310 from LGW-ATL back in 1992 or so. The equipment was scheduled for an L1011, but it was switched out for the A310 at the last min
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