Ssides From United States of America, joined Feb 2001, 4059 posts, RR: 19 Posted (11 years 9 months 3 weeks 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 4015 times:
I will be flying DCA-MIA-CUN on AA (1st Class) in March. However, my MIA-CUN legs are actually termed "Business," even though it is a two-class 757. I have had friends who have flown this "Business" class to ACA as well, and they say the seating is about the same as "First," the meal service may be a bit different.
My question: why is this termed "Business" instead of "First?" I've heard that some Latin American countries tax "First Class" differently due to its connotations, and that since it is a leisure destination, the service may be lower and AA doesn't want passengers to think that this exemplifies their "First Class" service. Anyone know the scoop? I seriously doubt enough true business traffic on these routes to CUN and ACA to justify a Business cabin!
XJRamper From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 2498 posts, RR: 47
Reply 2, posted (11 years 9 months 3 weeks 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 3990 times:
maybe its the type of fare that you have, or maybe its the config of the aircraft. Either way, cun or aca sounds a lot better than the cold 25 degrees that seems to surround the Toledo area at this time of year.
EddieDude From Mexico, joined Nov 2003, 7945 posts, RR: 41
Reply 4, posted (11 years 9 months 3 weeks 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 3963 times:
AM and MX have two-class aircraft for all their flights to the U.S. MX's upper class is called Ejecutiva and AM's is called Premier. They are much in line (price and otherwise) with the international business-class standard. U.S. carriers probably believe they need to offer a product that is similar. DL is very clear in its webpage and other documents that the upper class to Mexico is business class (and that first is simply not available). I agree that there is probably not much "business" travel between U.S. cities and Mexican beach destinations but I guess that this is more a matter of willingness to pay for a true first class service with all the pampering or not rather than what the service should be called as a result of the kind of travelers that demand it. To me it does not make any sense for U.S. and Mexican carriers to offer a true first class in flights between the two countries that can in no event be considered long hauls (I don't think there is any nonstop flight between Mexico and the U.S. that exceeds 5 hours) because, clearly, nobody in his right mind would pay for it or want to spend so many miles for an award first-lcass ticket.
I hope this helps. I have been in Premier and Ejecutiva from MX), Mexico">MEX to CUN and from MX), Mexico">MEX to Huatulco and it is very similar to being on AF's L'Espace Affaires.
Next flights: MEX-AMS KL 74M | AMS-PRG KL E90 | PRG-CDG AF A320 | CDG-MEX AM 788
AAJAXFlyer From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (11 years 9 months 3 weeks 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 3960 times:
AA did so for reasons of product continuity. The only true First Class offered internationally is now the front cabin on three-cabin B777 aircraft. The narrowbody Business Class is essentially domestic First with a few enhanced features, like an occasional extra meal choice.
AIR757200 From United States of America, joined Jul 2000, 1579 posts, RR: 7
Reply 6, posted (11 years 9 months 3 weeks 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 3949 times:
From my understanding (when I was an agent):: First class, international, is usually reserved for those flights with a three-class cabin. Domestic first layout is the same as international business on the 3-class aircraft, therefore, when the two-class aircraft becomes an international flight, the term first is dropped and "business" is used. That's about it, has nothing to do with fares, etc.
Joleb From Belgium, joined Oct 2003, 290 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (11 years 9 months 3 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 3674 times:
why do airlines make it so difficult to understand.
on a 2 class plane there is economy and business
on a three class plane there is economy,business and first
doesnt matter if it is domestic or international
so US airlines are wrong calling 2 class plane economy and first classs while instead it shall be economy and business class. it is simply too misleading! why dont they follow the european standard in this matter?
although the seats in business are better in the US on a 2 class plane
Javomd88 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (11 years 9 months 3 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 3559 times:
Well the main problem with US carriers flying to Mexico is that they consider their flights as domestic, eventhough they really should be international. And for Mexican Carriers(AM/MX) crossing the border you get real Premier / Ejecutiva service. For us crossing the border is international, whether its north or south.
For Pilots and F/A in the US all MX), Mexico">MEX destinations are considered domestic, amazing but true, so in there service its the same.
On Aeromexico Premier class, a route between Mex-Cun 1:40 mins.aprox is not the same as Mex-IAH with the same 1:40 mins. Service is totally different and meals, wine menus, and other goodys aswell.
Pilatusguy From Switzerland, joined Jan 2004, 315 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (11 years 9 months 3 weeks 1 day ago) and read 3514 times:
I flew AA's "business class" JFK-BDA on a 757. To me it looked like a domestic first. They told me that on international flights they use the term "business class" instead of "First class". Strange thing was when I tried to get into AA's Business Lounge (or however they call that) at JFK they didn't let me in because BDA is treated as US destination - argument being that a domestic business class ticket does not entitle you to the lounge.... all very strange - I got the impression that ground agents didn't really know the difference....