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LX: Why ZRH-YUL And No ZRH-YYZ  
User currently offlineContinentalEWR From United States of America, joined May 2000, 3762 posts, RR: 13
Posted (10 years 8 months 3 weeks 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 3063 times:

Why does Swiss fly to Montreal, but not to Toronto? As Canada's largest city, would Toronto not be a good destination (and a profitable one) for LX? I'm not knocking Montreal, I am just curious as to why Toronto is not served as it is Canada's biggest gateway to Europe, is it not?

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User currently offlineAlekToronto From Canada, joined Nov 2003, 328 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (10 years 8 months 3 weeks 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 3036 times:

The former Swissair used to fly to Toronto back in the 90's, however it was on a ZRH YUL YYZ routing and they were not able to make the route work as Torontonians have lots of nonstop options (i.e. KLM, AF, LH, etc...)
Swiss was one of those rare airlines (such as Air France) that was able to make more money out of YUL rather than YYZ. LX relies mostly on connecting traffic and for this YUL does well for them.
I do think that LX could make money out of YYZ today if they offered a nonstop 330 flight, however LX is having a lot of problems now and are axing flights and not adding them!

cheers!
Alek


User currently offlineYUL332LX From Canada, joined Feb 2004, 820 posts, RR: 1
Reply 2, posted (10 years 8 months 3 weeks 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 2995 times:

It’s mainly due to the link between the Western part of Switzerland with people from French-speaking cities like Geneva, Lausanne and even Lyon in France, and the Province of Quebec. It’s a cultural thing.  Big thumbs up

SR used to have a direct flight GVA-YUL but decided to transfer it to ZRH to take advantage of the hub in ZRH even though 60% or so of the Swiss citizen who go to YUL are from GVA region.

Anyway, many folks here in YUL hope there will be another YUL-GVA someday.
Eric



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User currently offlineYyz717 From Canada, joined Sep 2001, 16308 posts, RR: 56
Reply 3, posted (10 years 8 months 3 weeks 4 days ago) and read 2956 times:

Actually Swissair & AC split the market. Swiss operates YUL-ZRH. AC YYZ-ZRH.




Panam, TWA, Ansett, Eastern.......AC next? Might be good for Canada.
User currently offlineYUL332LX From Canada, joined Feb 2004, 820 posts, RR: 1
Reply 4, posted (10 years 8 months 3 weeks 4 days ago) and read 2925 times:

Correct, but now AC operates YYZ-ZRH only during summer while LX operates YUL-ZRH all year long (winter: 6x weekly, and summer: 7x weekly).


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User currently offlineC-GRYK From Canada, joined Apr 2000, 751 posts, RR: 36
Reply 5, posted (10 years 8 months 3 weeks 4 days ago) and read 2910 times:

I'd venture a WILD guess... there is more of a market for LX in YUL than YYZ. Obviously LX has done their homework and found the market is more suitable for them in Montreal than the Teedot. Let's hope they continue serving Canada on a year-round basis!

Jeremy



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User currently offlineLymanm From Canada, joined Jan 2001, 1140 posts, RR: 1
Reply 6, posted (10 years 8 months 3 weeks 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 2876 times:

ContinentalEWR - they speak french in Switzerland, not swiss!

(hence the cultural/linguistic link)



buhh bye
User currently offlineFLYYUL From Italy, joined Jun 2000, 4995 posts, RR: 51
Reply 7, posted (10 years 8 months 3 weeks 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 2850 times:

LX has secured a huge IATA contract to transport employees to and from GVA via ZRH.

Mark


User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 33077 posts, RR: 71
Reply 8, posted (10 years 8 months 3 weeks 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 2814 times:

ContinentalEWR - they speak french in Switzerland, not swiss!

(hence the cultural/linguistic link)


The majority of Switzerland speaks German, including Zurich, Basel, and Bern. The western part along the French border speaks French. Geneva is the only major French-speaking Swiss city. A small southern part, centred around Lugano, speaks Italian, and there are some small sections that speak Romansh. On top of that, the majority of the educated population is fluent in English.



a.
User currently offlineBehramjee From Canada, joined Aug 2003, 4805 posts, RR: 44
Reply 9, posted (10 years 8 months 3 weeks 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 2784 times:

Not to mention also the fact that thousands of Pakistanis-Indians and ppl from Dubai too fly SWISS via ZRH to YUL as they love the airline-its service-standard and their timings + schedules.

SWISS get for the YUL route a lot of Arab-Middle Eastern traffic as well as North African.


User currently offlineFLYACYYZ From Canada, joined Jan 2004, 1914 posts, RR: 12
Reply 10, posted (10 years 8 months 3 weeks 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 2680 times:

When LX (then SR) pulled out of YYZ, AC and SR entered into a commercial alliance on the route to ZRH. Cannot recall exactly if it was a true codeshare, or whether they each carried a block of seats on each others flights. To coincide with the agreement, AC & SR also had a crew exchange whereby 2 SR f/a's operated on AC878 (YYZZRH) & 2 AC f/a's operated on SR135 (YULZRH). That lasted I believe for almost 2 years.

Over time, and through alliance changes the agreement fizzled out. SR maintained an offline area Sales Manager in YYZ, and there was talk of returning to the YYZ market. Unfortunately with the switch from SR to LX, the company is in retrenching mode right now, but suspect one day they will return to YYZ.



Above and Beyond
User currently offlineScf158 From Switzerland, joined Dec 2003, 413 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (10 years 8 months 3 weeks 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 2615 times:

MAH4546,

I would like to point out that Lausanne is also another major french speaking swiss city located about 45 minutes drive away from Geneva. Lausanne is know for being the headquarters of The IOC (international olympic commitee).

Just to clearify:

70% speak German
19% speak French
8% speak Italian
1% speak Rhaeto-Romanic (Romansh)
and 2% speak other languages.

30% of the population in Geneva are foreigners due to all the major corperations and the UN headquarters and agencies.


User currently offlineYUL332LX From Canada, joined Feb 2004, 820 posts, RR: 1
Reply 12, posted (10 years 8 months 3 weeks 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 2566 times:

SWISS get for the YUL route a lot of Arab-Middle Eastern traffic as well as North African

...And that is the reason why the YUL-ZRH flights are almost full on a year-round basis because there aren't too many pax that actually have ZRH as their final destination.



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User currently offlineQb001 From Canada, joined Apr 2000, 2053 posts, RR: 4
Reply 13, posted (10 years 8 months 3 weeks 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 2553 times:

Actually Swissair & AC split the market. Swiss operates YUL-ZRH. AC YYZ-ZRH.

Heard the same thing.



Never let the facts get in the way of a good theory.
User currently offlineLymanm From Canada, joined Jan 2001, 1140 posts, RR: 1
Reply 14, posted (10 years 8 months 3 weeks 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 2499 times:

"The majority of Switzerland speaks German..."

Of course I know that. I was pointing out to our American friend that "Swiss" is not a language, just as "American" isn't, either. (Just in case he was wondering)



buhh bye
User currently offlineYHU From Canada, joined Jun 2000, 429 posts, RR: 1
Reply 15, posted (10 years 8 months 3 weeks 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 2463 times:

Mark, when did Swiss secure the contract to fly IATA travellers? When I worked there (although for a very short time) it was based on price. They usually went through FRA on AC.

Dave


User currently offlinePhille From Canada, joined Sep 2000, 47 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (10 years 8 months 3 weeks 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 2442 times:

Is there any talk of AC returning to the YYZ-ZRH route, AC878/879?
I've flown it numerous times and miss it now that it is gone. In fact I would be flying it in 3 weeks from now, but have to connect through FRA instead.


User currently offlineFLYACYYZ From Canada, joined Jan 2004, 1914 posts, RR: 12
Reply 17, posted (10 years 8 months 3 weeks 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 2417 times:

AC's YYZ-ZRH service, has unfortunately been relegated to summer only seasonal service.

AC878 resumes operation on June 1st with B767-300 equipment, with the westbound AC879 resuming on June 2nd. The service is in effect till the middle or end of October.

Too bad, you would think this flight could be sustained on a year round basis.

[Edited 2004-02-10 18:52:14]


Above and Beyond
User currently offlinePanamair From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 4930 posts, RR: 25
Reply 18, posted (10 years 8 months 3 weeks 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 2393 times:
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"The majority of Switzerland speaks German..."

Of course I know that. I was pointing out to our American friend that "Swiss" is not a language, just as "American" isn't, either. (Just in case he was wondering)"

Actually, one could argue that there is a "Swiss" language - it's called Swiss German, which no one else who speaks standard "high" German would understand (maybe except for some Southern Germans close to the border)  Smile/happy/getting dizzy


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