MEA321 From Lebanon, joined Oct 2003, 389 posts, RR: 17 Posted (9 years 10 months 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 5835 times:
Pan American Airways, one of the pioneers of aviation is today a skeleton of what it used to be. The once glamorous airline that had a stunning fleet of Boeing 747s that flew to all corners of the earth has been reduced to a mere scavenger in the industry. The rise and fall of Pan Am is a wonderful storyline that I believe every aviation lover should be familiar with. Pan Am is responsible for many of the modern day marvels that we have grown so used to utilizing today.
These are a few of the many contributions that Pan Am has brought into our aviation world today. Currently, Pan Am is running a small network between Orlando Sanford Airport and the Carribean. They also have charter operations.
Would or does anyone want to see Pan Am one day with a fleet of 777s, 747-400s, 737-800s, and CRJs? I believe that Pan Am could make a great stride and benefit from their marvelous historical image (minus a few incidents) as a platform to prosper again. With a clean sheet and a new management, does anyone else think its possible?
SlamClick From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 10062 posts, RR: 69 Reply 3, posted (9 years 10 months 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 5706 times:
It might come back. If all the nations of the world scrap their own airlines and ask the United States to provide them with air service. On the other hand they might not.
At one time it was said that PanAm had more route miles than the rest of the world's airlines combined. Don't know if that proves to be true but surely something like it was.
Amelia Earhart's much-maligned navigator Fred Noonan played a big part in establishing PanAm's navigation programs. (After a bit of a career on commercial sail, including rounding Cape Horn) He was better than his final flight would suggest.
I feel privileged that I got to fly on the real PanAm a few times. Fantastic meal service on the quick flight from Danang to Kai Tak! I even had a near-miss with PanAm 707s twice. Once at Tan Son Nhut and once at Reno where the 707 was on a training flight. The world's skies are kind of empty without the "World's most experienced airline."
Among my treasures and trash I have some unpublished photos of a PanAm DC-2 and Consolidated Commodores, inluding the tail of one sticking up out of the water of Limon Bay, Panama.
World's most experienced indeed!
Happiness is not seeing another trite Ste. Maarten photo all week long.
TriStarEnvy From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 2265 posts, RR: 3 Reply 4, posted (9 years 10 months 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 5650 times:
Just like Elvis, the KING is gone.
The current version (Pan Am 3.0) is a pale imitation. Kudos to Guliford for reviving the name, but that's about it, really. And all the best for trying to provide "Clipper Class" quality service. Hell, I almost booked a flight to anyplace they flew when service was initiated out of St.Pete/Clearwater, just to say "I've flown Pan Am, again!" I wish them a long life.
Now, most passengers will vote with their pocket books as to whom to fly. The panache and esteem of the name isn't viable. And the recent past of bad press might have left a sour taste in folks mouths.
If you don't stand for SOMETHING, you'll fall for ANYTHING.
Startvalve From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 5, posted (9 years 10 months 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 5542 times:
There are plenty of airlines out there to get you from point A to point B with an adequate level of service. Pan Am is just a name, an airline is just a company, get on with your life. Any future incarnations would be Pan Am in name only.
For the record Braniff, TWA, Eastern, Ozark, and many others are ALSO dead and will never come back. Is the world worse off because of this? No.
Commander_Rabb From United States of America, joined Feb 2000, 771 posts, RR: 9 Reply 6, posted (9 years 10 months 10 hours ago) and read 5345 times:
Who cares? Well, actually a lot of people do. Americans and foreign nationals alike. Pan American had a great influence on many peoples lives. And those influences run deep. From the refugee fleeing a falling nation, to families being reunited, the local Pan Am office helping a wayward traveler because PAA had connections, to the business man who completed a big business deal and then flew home on PAA.
Pan Am today has a logo that is still recognized around the world. And this from a company that ceased flying in 1991.
MEA321 From Lebanon, joined Oct 2003, 389 posts, RR: 17 Reply 7, posted (9 years 10 months 9 hours ago) and read 5232 times:
Very well said commander_rabb
There are lots of emotions in connection with airlines, and Pan Am was certainly one of those airlines that created a ripple effect (emotionally) when it went down the first time. Airlines seem to have more than a business entity to them, people working within the airline become attached and for those of you who have seen the ceremony for Pan Am's closing day, it looked like a funeral. There were candles and people crying.
If Pan Am were to revive, there would be lots momentum behind them and they WOULD be succesful.
Thrust From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 2686 posts, RR: 10 Reply 8, posted (9 years 10 months 8 hours ago) and read 5163 times:
The Pan Am that exists today is not the same organization as Juan Trippe's Chosen Instrument. The name was simply borrowed. As for the reincarnation of Pan Am, don't count on it. The airline that launched the 747, that launched the world into the modern jet age, because the 707 was the world's first successful commercial jetliner in service, the airline that along with TWA established the largest global network the world had and in my opinion still has ever know, is no more. It took Pan Am almost 30 years to get as big as got. They have been gone for 14 years. When a great airline falls, it is done. It is impossible for Pan Am to rebuild themselves to their legendary status.
Startvalve From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 9, posted (9 years 10 months 8 hours ago) and read 5107 times:
I still say who cares? As I said in my last post an Airline is just a company offering a service that many other companies offer. Yes a lot of people have memories of Pan Am taking them all over the world and whatever else. My first flight was on Piedmont, you don't see me crying about someone bringing them back do you? An airline is just a company, an airplane is just a mode of transportation. The strong survive and the weak die. If PAA was truly the greatest thing on earth as many on here seem to think they would still be hauling people around.
I love airplanes as much as anybody on this board but the thing i will never get is people crying over a company going out of business or everyone figuring out an particular type of airplane is no longer capable of making money so its time for it to go.
Thrust From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 2686 posts, RR: 10 Reply 11, posted (9 years 10 months 8 hours ago) and read 5071 times:
I'm not saying the world is awful without Pan Am, Startvalve. I'm just simply explaining how an airline as huge as Pan Am cannot rebuild itself once it is gone. TWA was a heartbreaker for me when it went bankrupt, but I have adapted to the change. I have just forgotten TWA considerably and moved on to the other airlines. Are we bad w/o TWA and Pan Am? No. They built the huge global network that is now shared by the great airlines of today. It hurts that these airlines are gone, but by no means is this horrible. Think of American as the airline boosted by TWA, and United as the airline boosted by Pan Am. Their successors are every bit as capable as they were.
Startvalve From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 13, posted (9 years 10 months 8 hours ago) and read 5019 times:
I wonder who will buy the United pieces when they go the way of Pan Am. Strangely enough they will go from the same syndrome that killed Pan Am, we have been doing it this way for 50 years so damnit lets keep doing it like that.
Panamair From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 4711 posts, RR: 25 Reply 14, posted (9 years 10 months 8 hours ago) and read 5005 times:
As much as I hate it, Pan Am is gone. Bankruptcy and shutdown are as much a part of the great original Pan Am as the Boeing 707 or 747. The closet thing you will find to the original Pan Am today is a combination of United and Delta. The spirit of Pan Am is reflected most in its people and it is at both UA and DL where you will still find the same people who served you chateaubriand and caviar, the same people who served you eggs cooked to order, the same people who can speak multiple languages. So even if there is an airline in the future called Pan Am serving all five continents of the world, it will never be the same thing.
PanAmerican From Germany, joined Oct 2003, 384 posts, RR: 5 Reply 18, posted (9 years 10 months 8 hours ago) and read 4941 times:
This is a very interesting topic. I must say that I agree with Commander_Rabb and MEA321, there are lots of people who associate great memories to Pan American. The Pan Am logo and name was the second most recognized brand after Coca-Cola worldwide! That being said, everybody knew what Pan Am stood for.
However, the problem I'd see is that Pan Am and TWA basically had the monopole on international routes and that's why they were so huge, today that wouldn't happen anymore.
If Pan Am ever comes back internationally, and that is what it's supposed for, then on a much smaller scale.
I believe that a new Pan Am should cooperate closely with an US domestic airline, say JetBlue, to feed its own international network. That would be a great strategy to revive them as they were highly recognized for international flights only.
I don't believe that any of the majors would ever rebrand into Pan Am, none of them would give up their corporate ID for that. At the time PA went bankrupt I guess they had a very bad reputation and that is why neither Delta nor United wanted think about that move.
Well, I don't know if we'll ever see good old PA back here in Europe, but I certainly do wish for that to happen a lot as PA was MORE than just an airline.
I guess anybody who either worked for them or flew them a lot would wish the same.