Amwest25 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 1, posted (9 years 3 months 1 week 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 2324 times:
I've gotten Southwest flights and America West flights before. Maybe its because the larger carriers have far more flights then the majority of the LCC's.
Aa757first From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 3338 posts, RR: 9 Reply 2, posted (9 years 3 months 1 week 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 2311 times:
PVD757 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 3374 posts, RR: 18 Reply 3, posted (9 years 3 months 1 week 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 2292 times:
Depending on where you are searching, such as Expedia, some of the LCCs do not pay to be carried. I'm not sure of your question, are looking for reservations or flight tracking?
Gigneil From United States of America, joined Nov 2002, 16215 posts, RR: 88 Reply 4, posted (9 years 3 months 1 week 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 2258 times:
JetBluefan1 From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 2784 posts, RR: 15 Reply 5, posted (9 years 3 months 1 week 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 2236 times:
JetBlue only books directly thru JetBlue - same with Southwest, I believe. JetBlue actually used to be sold thru www.itn.net, but since have stopped. They also used to be listed on Travelocity or something like that, but soon were dropped since JetBlue didn't pay them to list the flights.
If you check Expedia, they offer Frontier, America West and AirTran.
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AA623BDLSJU From Puerto Rico, joined Aug 2003, 354 posts, RR: 2 Reply 6, posted (9 years 3 months 1 week 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 2220 times:
Well, actually I was on itn.net and I saw JetBlue flights between JFK and SJU. I only saw them and AA. However, I do get that same problem when I look through Orbitz or Travelocity. PVD757 does make a good point, the carriers to pay to have their tickets sold on websites other than their own.
FunFlyer From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 866 posts, RR: 0 Reply 7, posted (9 years 3 months 1 week 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 2213 times:
Elwood64151 From United States of America, joined Feb 2002, 2477 posts, RR: 7 Reply 9, posted (9 years 3 months 1 week 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 2176 times:
Orbitz is owned by the six major carriers. They have no interest in selling LCC flights. Travelocity is a SABRE company (owned by AMR). Same thing. I do not know about the others.
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Goingboeing From United States of America, joined Dec 1999, 4875 posts, RR: 19 Reply 10, posted (9 years 3 months 1 week 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 2175 times:
Why aren't the LCC's listed? Because they are "low cost" and the major travel search engines charge a fee to the airline. If someone is too lazy to search the LCC's web site for fares, then they deserve to pay more.
Deltaffindfw From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 1383 posts, RR: 1 Reply 11, posted (9 years 3 months 1 week 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 2152 times:
I noticed the WN flights on itn.net. But, do you really find the cheapest fares here (promotional fares or fun fares) or the only the refundable fares?
Jeffrey1970 From United States of America, joined Apr 2001, 1335 posts, RR: 13 Reply 12, posted (9 years 3 months 1 week 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 2150 times:
Frontier is almost always listed on Expedia when looking up flights to big cities out west from DCA or BWI, and soon to be IAD.
Alphascan From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 936 posts, RR: 14 Reply 13, posted (9 years 3 months 1 week 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 2143 times:
SABRE is not owned by AMR.
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MoodyBlues From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 142 posts, RR: 5 Reply 14, posted (9 years 3 months 1 week 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 2113 times:
It basically depends on the airline, and the search engine you are using.
Elwood64151 is correct about Orbitz.com being owned by the majors, but if you do a search, you will find a selection of flights besides just the owners.
I punched in FLL-SAN just now 'cause that's a typical route for me.
CO, NW, US, UA, AA, DL, HP "Multiple Carriers" and F9 were the responses for this particular search.
HP and F9 obviously subscribe to be on Orbitz.
Now I know that WN flies this route, but they did not appear. Jet Blue also does, if you want to connect in JFK. They don't appear either. The reason for this is simple, they don't subscribe to Orbitz, or any other search site for that matter.
The reasons that they don't are many, but the added costs are a factor as well as the fact that WN is fiercely independent, and likes to control the way their operations are handled.
Also, in the past, Southwest was a subscriber to one of the flight reservations systems (Could have been Sabre, I don't have the info in front of me) One day, the major players decided they could do without the competition and Southwest magically disappeared from the system. Travel Agents used these systems, (back before all the internet sites) and suddenly they could not book Southwest, or for that matter, even know they existed.
Southwest said screw this, and has booked independently ever since.
The best way to find the best fare on Southwest is to look on southwest.com Compare "Internet One Way" to "Promotional Fares" the prices sometimes flip flop by a few $. If you get hopelessly stuck, call the 800 number, every reservations agent I have ever spoken too has always gone out of their way to help me. But you can't book "Internet One Way" over the phone.
I also know that B6 and HP promise that their lowest fares will be on their websites.
Doug_or From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 3158 posts, RR: 4 Reply 16, posted (9 years 3 months 1 week 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 2048 times:
didn't WN sue orbitz when it was first launched? I never undserstood the lawsuit, had something to do with misrepresentation of routings, prices, or schedules.
Skymonster From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 17, posted (9 years 3 months 1 week 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 2012 times:
Sort of... Most of the major flight search engines are based on one of the major GDSs (Global Distribution Systems, such as Amadeus, Galileo, Sabre, etc.), as its usually the GDS that provides the portal into the various airline reservations systems rather than the flight search site itself. Very few of the low-costs distribute on the GDS systems because of the fees charged by the GDS providers - the low costs prefer to sell through their own websites and not have to pay distribution fees. If a carrier isn't on the GDS that the flight search engine sits on top of, then it won't show, low cost or not.
Goingboeing From United States of America, joined Dec 1999, 4875 posts, RR: 19 Reply 18, posted (9 years 3 months 1 week 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 1984 times:
didn't WN sue orbitz when it was first launched? I never undserstood the lawsuit, had something to do with misrepresentation of routings, prices, or schedules.
That was part of the reason. For example, when Orbitz first started up and had WN listed, it was "possible" to book a flight from MCI-DAL on Orbitz. What they didn't tell you was that you couldn't check bags all the way thru, nor did they mention the reasons for it. So if you bought that ticket (that Southwest wouldn't sell you...you'd have to do it "on your own" and they DO post Wright Amendment restrictions on their web site) and had a problem, you'd most likely blame Southwest for the snafu and not Orbitz, even though they'd sell you a routing that wasn't "kosher". I also noticed when Orbitz started up that they had several "invalid" routings...at the time, Delta didn't serve MCI-DFW, but Orbitz would show a route via ATL or SLC as an option.
AA623BDLSJU From Puerto Rico, joined Aug 2003, 354 posts, RR: 2 Reply 19, posted (9 years 3 months 1 week 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 1929 times:
Sabre no longer belongs to AMR. The split in 2000 or 2001. But, I do remember that you could book WN on Travelocity. That was back in 2001, I think. Thngs changed from then, I guess.
Jjbiv From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 1226 posts, RR: 6 Reply 20, posted (9 years 3 months 1 week 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 1908 times:
I'm not sure where you're looking, but if we serve the route you're looking at, ATA should be listed.
Rjnut From United States of America, joined Dec 1999, 1166 posts, RR: 0 Reply 21, posted (9 years 3 months 1 week 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 1887 times:
The GDS are soon to be unregulated, so there will be pressure for them to drop their fees and encourage more LCC's to join. It could get interesting in the coming years!
JGPH1A From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 22, posted (9 years 3 months 1 week 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 1869 times:
As the only sector in the airline industry that is actually making money, it would be foolish of the GDS's not to try and recruit LCC's to be distributed via their systems !
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