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Why No LCC In Any Flight Search Engines?  
User currently offlineAMSMAN From Ireland, joined Jan 2002, 1016 posts, RR: 6
Posted (10 years 6 months 1 week 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 3995 times:

How come ever time I search for flights form A to B, it only brings up the national carriers and never any LCC's?

Anyone else noticed this?

[Edited 2004-02-11 02:10:29]


Aer Lingus, Proud to be Irish.
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User currently offlineAmwest25 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (10 years 6 months 1 week 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 3989 times:

I've gotten Southwest flights and America West flights before. Maybe its because the larger carriers have far more flights then the majority of the LCC's.

User currently offlineAa757first From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 3347 posts, RR: 8
Reply 2, posted (10 years 6 months 1 week 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 3976 times:

TZ, FL, and NK are also listed.

AAndrew


User currently offlinePVD757 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 3412 posts, RR: 17
Reply 3, posted (10 years 6 months 1 week 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 3957 times:

Depending on where you are searching, such as Expedia, some of the LCCs do not pay to be carried. I'm not sure of your question, are looking for reservations or flight tracking?

User currently offlineGigneil From United States of America, joined Nov 2002, 16347 posts, RR: 85
Reply 4, posted (10 years 6 months 1 week 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 3923 times:

Southwest only books via Southwest.

You'll find Frontier at least.

N


User currently offlineJetBluefan1 From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 2977 posts, RR: 14
Reply 5, posted (10 years 6 months 1 week 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 3901 times:

JetBlue only books directly thru JetBlue - same with Southwest, I believe. JetBlue actually used to be sold thru www.itn.net, but since have stopped. They also used to be listed on Travelocity or something like that, but soon were dropped since JetBlue didn't pay them to list the flights.

If you check Expedia, they offer Frontier, America West and AirTran.

JetBluefan1



Most people on a.net hate JetBlue. Get used to it.
User currently offlineAA623BDLSJU From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 354 posts, RR: 2
Reply 6, posted (10 years 6 months 1 week 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 3885 times:

Well, actually I was on itn.net and I saw JetBlue flights between JFK and SJU. I only saw them and AA. However, I do get that same problem when I look through Orbitz or Travelocity. PVD757 does make a good point, the carriers to pay to have their tickets sold on websites other than their own.

User currently offlineFunFlyer From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 866 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (10 years 6 months 1 week 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 3878 times:

Pan Am is listed on Expedia.


Who cares about status?
User currently offlineJano From Slovakia, joined Jan 2004, 827 posts, RR: 4
Reply 8, posted (10 years 6 months 1 week 6 days ago) and read 3871 times:

Southwest is at itn.net. Try e.g. BNA-DTW, you'll get bunch of NWA and SWA flights...


The Widget Air Line :)
User currently offlineElwood64151 From United States of America, joined Feb 2002, 2477 posts, RR: 6
Reply 9, posted (10 years 6 months 1 week 6 days ago) and read 3841 times:

Orbitz is owned by the six major carriers. They have no interest in selling LCC flights. Travelocity is a SABRE company (owned by AMR). Same thing. I do not know about the others.


Those who fail to learn history are doomed to repeat it in summer school.
User currently offlineGoingboeing From United States of America, joined Dec 1999, 4875 posts, RR: 16
Reply 10, posted (10 years 6 months 1 week 6 days ago) and read 3840 times:

Why aren't the LCC's listed? Because they are "low cost" and the major travel search engines charge a fee to the airline. If someone is too lazy to search the LCC's web site for fares, then they deserve to pay more.

User currently offlineDeltaffindfw From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 1439 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (10 years 6 months 1 week 6 days ago) and read 3817 times:


I noticed the WN flights on itn.net. But, do you really find the cheapest fares here (promotional fares or fun fares) or the only the refundable fares?


User currently offlineJeffrey1970 From United States of America, joined Apr 2001, 1336 posts, RR: 12
Reply 12, posted (10 years 6 months 1 week 6 days ago) and read 3815 times:

Frontier is almost always listed on Expedia when looking up flights to big cities out west from DCA or BWI, and soon to be IAD.

God bless through Jesus,

Jeff



God bless through Jesus, Jeff
User currently offlineAlphascan From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 937 posts, RR: 13
Reply 13, posted (10 years 6 months 1 week 6 days ago) and read 3808 times:

SABRE is not owned by AMR.


"To he who only has a hammer in his toolbelt, every problem looks like a nail."
User currently offlineMoodyBlues From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 142 posts, RR: 4
Reply 14, posted (10 years 6 months 1 week 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 3778 times:

It basically depends on the airline, and the search engine you are using.

Elwood64151 is correct about Orbitz.com being owned by the majors, but if you do a search, you will find a selection of flights besides just the owners.

I punched in FLL-SAN just now 'cause that's a typical route for me.

CO, NW, US, UA, AA, DL, HP "Multiple Carriers" and F9 were the responses for this particular search.

HP and F9 obviously subscribe to be on Orbitz.

Now I know that WN flies this route, but they did not appear. Jet Blue also does, if you want to connect in JFK. They don't appear either. The reason for this is simple, they don't subscribe to Orbitz, or any other search site for that matter.

Want to fly Southwest? Go to http://www.southwest.com or call
1(800)IFYSWA.

The reasons that they don't are many, but the added costs are a factor as well as the fact that WN is fiercely independent, and likes to control the way their operations are handled.

Also, in the past, Southwest was a subscriber to one of the flight reservations systems (Could have been Sabre, I don't have the info in front of me) One day, the major players decided they could do without the competition and Southwest magically disappeared from the system. Travel Agents used these systems, (back before all the internet sites) and suddenly they could not book Southwest, or for that matter, even know they existed.

Southwest said screw this, and has booked independently ever since.

The best way to find the best fare on Southwest is to look on southwest.com Compare "Internet One Way" to "Promotional Fares" the prices sometimes flip flop by a few $. If you get hopelessly stuck, call the 800 number, every reservations agent I have ever spoken too has always gone out of their way to help me. But you can't book "Internet One Way" over the phone.

I also know that B6 and HP promise that their lowest fares will be on their websites.

Good Luck  Smile
Moody Blues

Southwest Airlines "A Symbol of Freedom"



Southwest Airlines "A Symbol of Freedom"
User currently offlineAMSMAN From Ireland, joined Jan 2002, 1016 posts, RR: 6
Reply 15, posted (10 years 6 months 1 week 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 3735 times:

Thanks for the response guys. Explains a lot.


Aer Lingus, Proud to be Irish.
User currently offlineDoug_or From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 3402 posts, RR: 3
Reply 16, posted (10 years 6 months 1 week 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 3713 times:

didn't WN sue orbitz when it was first launched? I never undserstood the lawsuit, had something to do with misrepresentation of routings, prices, or schedules.


When in doubt, one B pump off
User currently offlineSkymonster From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 17, posted (10 years 6 months 1 week 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 3677 times:

Sort of... Most of the major flight search engines are based on one of the major GDSs (Global Distribution Systems, such as Amadeus, Galileo, Sabre, etc.), as its usually the GDS that provides the portal into the various airline reservations systems rather than the flight search site itself. Very few of the low-costs distribute on the GDS systems because of the fees charged by the GDS providers - the low costs prefer to sell through their own websites and not have to pay distribution fees. If a carrier isn't on the GDS that the flight search engine sits on top of, then it won't show, low cost or not.

Andy


User currently offlineGoingboeing From United States of America, joined Dec 1999, 4875 posts, RR: 16
Reply 18, posted (10 years 6 months 1 week 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 3649 times:

didn't WN sue orbitz when it was first launched? I never undserstood the lawsuit, had something to do with misrepresentation of routings, prices, or schedules.

That was part of the reason. For example, when Orbitz first started up and had WN listed, it was "possible" to book a flight from MCI-DAL on Orbitz. What they didn't tell you was that you couldn't check bags all the way thru, nor did they mention the reasons for it. So if you bought that ticket (that Southwest wouldn't sell you...you'd have to do it "on your own" and they DO post Wright Amendment restrictions on their web site) and had a problem, you'd most likely blame Southwest for the snafu and not Orbitz, even though they'd sell you a routing that wasn't "kosher". I also noticed when Orbitz started up that they had several "invalid" routings...at the time, Delta didn't serve MCI-DFW, but Orbitz would show a route via ATL or SLC as an option.


User currently offlineAA623BDLSJU From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 354 posts, RR: 2
Reply 19, posted (10 years 6 months 1 week 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 3594 times:

Sabre no longer belongs to AMR. The split in 2000 or 2001. But, I do remember that you could book WN on Travelocity. That was back in 2001, I think. Thngs changed from then, I guess.

User currently offlineJjbiv From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 1226 posts, RR: 5
Reply 20, posted (10 years 6 months 1 week 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 3573 times:

I'm not sure where you're looking, but if we serve the route you're looking at, ATA should be listed.

joe


User currently offlineRjnut From United States of America, joined Dec 1999, 1218 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (10 years 6 months 1 week 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 3552 times:

The GDS are soon to be unregulated, so there will be pressure for them to drop their fees and encourage more LCC's to join. It could get interesting in the coming years!

User currently offlineJGPH1A From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 22, posted (10 years 6 months 1 week 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 3534 times:

As the only sector in the airline industry that is actually making money, it would be foolish of the GDS's not to try and recruit LCC's to be distributed via their systems !

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