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User currently offlineSovietjet From Bulgaria, joined Mar 2003, 2609 posts, RR: 16
Posted (10 years 7 months 2 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 4616 times:
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Why did the planes always land at the end where you have to turn 90 degrees on final?. Why can't they land on the other side? Looks like it would be easier...and safer.

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User currently offlineDLKAPA From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (10 years 7 months 2 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 4575 times:

Because they wanted to give the photographers something to take pictures of Big grin

Actually they would have to have take-offs in the same direction, and taxi to that runway would be a hassle, plus obstructions off the end of the runway, chinese airspace etc..

DLKAPA


User currently offlineN754pr From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (10 years 7 months 2 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 4503 times:

It has nothing to do with Chinese airspace, thats more of a problem at the new airport.

They used 13 more because of the winds and the longer takeoff length. If you depart on 31 you need to make a quick left turn and be at a certain height so you are weight restricted. Thats why even when 31 was in use airlines like SAS and CP with the DC-10 would wait upto 30 minutes for a slot on 13, so they did not need to offload anything.

I'm NOT a pilot but I think what I've said is near to the truth, if not then please correct me.



User currently offlineAaron747 From Japan, joined Aug 2003, 8153 posts, RR: 26
Reply 3, posted (10 years 7 months 2 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 4449 times:

You're correct on all counts N754  Big grin


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User currently offlinePilatusguy From Switzerland, joined Jan 2004, 315 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (10 years 7 months 2 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 4277 times:

I think landing from the sea side would have made a go-around almost impossible - better do a sharp turn than not having the possibility to go around....

User currently offlineCarduelis From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2001, 1586 posts, RR: 10
Reply 5, posted (10 years 7 months 2 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 4200 times:

http://www.jg.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/BA/Kai_Tak_1.jpg

Couldn't resist this one, taken about 40 years ago in my youth on a BOAC 707-436!

Sorry, it's been here before, but the new guys 'might' like to see it!

Click the pic at bottom right to enlarge!

If you're really interested, change Kai_Tak_1.jpg to one of 2, 3, 4, 5, 6

I've landed on 31 a number of times, generally at night, but can't remember ever using it for take-off!

There are so many memories of Kai Tak, and I'm sure we'll see a lot on the thread, but my favourite is the KAL 747 landing - and I'll use the modern word - awesome! Give it a few seconds to load! It's worth it!

http://www.jg.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/BA/KAL_747_landing.mpg




[Edited 2004-02-11 18:03:17]


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User currently offlinePilot kaz From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (10 years 7 months 2 weeks 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 4089 times:

great pic, and i agree with DLKAPA on the photography point  Big thumbs up



User currently offlineDIA From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 3273 posts, RR: 27
Reply 7, posted (10 years 7 months 2 weeks 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 4057 times:

In case you're interested. . .

Just Planes Videos had one called "Last Day at Kai Tak" . . .anyway, the video starts out with a window view of what a runway 31 approach is like on a Cathay Pacific 744. It runs about five minutes or so and upon landing, the 744 cruises the full lenght of the runway before turning off. You get a great view the whole time. . .from about 10,000 feet on down if I remember correctly.

I have done the runway 13 approach in real life, so the 31 approach was interesting to see for a change. . .although it pales in comparison to the 13 approach.



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User currently offlineAaron747 From Japan, joined Aug 2003, 8153 posts, RR: 26
Reply 8, posted (10 years 7 months 2 weeks 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 3966 times:

As a passenger, I did the runway 31 approach once in a Cathay 744 and did rwy 13 in a Thai AB6, Cathay 330 and Cathay 743.


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User currently offlineEMBTucano From Brazil, joined Feb 2004, 246 posts, RR: 1
Reply 9, posted (10 years 7 months 2 weeks 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 3950 times:

DIA,

where can we find that video? It would be really nice to watch it...  Smokin cool

Carduelis,
Great pictures..


Cheers
EMBTucano



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User currently offlineDIA From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 3273 posts, RR: 27
Reply 10, posted (10 years 7 months 2 weeks 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 3906 times:

I've always bought these videos in hobby stores. . .but maybe justplanes.com could help? Maybe Ebay or similar sites? If you can find one. . .it is a great video. . .even shows the shutting down of the runway lights in the middle of the night marking the end to an era and the last flight in and out too.

Cheers



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User currently offlineAwschucksflyer From Canada, joined Nov 2003, 150 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (10 years 7 months 2 weeks 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 3831 times:

Carduelis,

That IS QUITE the video clip!!! I could only imagine what it would have been like to actually witness such an event!!

Got any more similar clips?

AWSCHUCKS!!


User currently offlineRedtailmsp From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 208 posts, RR: 1
Reply 12, posted (10 years 7 months 2 weeks 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 3785 times:

I had the privilege of riding jumpseat on the Checkerboard approach to HKG a couple of times, and it was definitely one of the highlights of my airline career. Granted it was excellent weather both times, but the crews made it seem so easy. I can only imagine the pucker-factor with a stiff crosswind at the end of a long leg into HKG. The Cathay Pacific pilots who flew it all the time have my utmost admiration.

User currently offlineCarduelis From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2001, 1586 posts, RR: 10
Reply 13, posted (10 years 7 months 2 weeks 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 3728 times:


Redtailmsp

In the 60s, they were affectionately known as the 'Cathay Cowboys'!

Mine's a 'San Mig' please!





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User currently offlineN754pr From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 14, posted (10 years 7 months 2 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 3503 times:

I was lucky enough to have three jumpseat landings at Kai Tak.

1) Emirates A310 on RWY 31
2) Philippines A330 on RWY 13
3) Qantas 763 on RWY 13

I aslo had one go around on RWY 31 in a BA 744.


User currently offlineRyan h From Australia, joined Aug 2001, 1548 posts, RR: 1
Reply 15, posted (10 years 7 months 2 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 3468 times:

When dad passed through in the early 70's he said that you were so close to the apartments that you could just about pull the washing off the clothes line.


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