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BA 747's At 5am  
User currently offlineBigpappa From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2004, 84 posts, RR: 0
Posted (10 years 7 months 1 week 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 6230 times:


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I live right underneath the flightpath at heathrow and constantly get woken up at 5 in the morning by these BA 747's .
Could anyone let me know how old are they because they are so loud and noisy. I know they come from long distances like Australia, Singapore etc but why do they have to fly in that time in the morning.......


one good flight deserves another!!!!
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User currently offlineDonder10 From Canada, joined Oct 2001, 6660 posts, RR: 21
Reply 1, posted (10 years 7 months 1 week 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 6163 times:

Most arrive earlier than their PTA.And I agree that the 744 seem a lot louder than the 777s and 340s.

User currently offline9V-SVE From Singapore, joined Nov 2001, 2066 posts, RR: 2
Reply 2, posted (10 years 7 months 1 week 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 6153 times:

Probably because business travellers like arriving at their destinations in the morning...

User currently offlineCarduelis From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2001, 1586 posts, RR: 10
Reply 3, posted (10 years 7 months 1 week 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 6152 times:

Arrival at LHR @0500 (not before!) is becasue of convenient departure times in Oz and Far East.




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User currently offlineJGPH1A From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (10 years 7 months 1 week 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 6118 times:

Not just BA's - QF, CX, SA)">AA, VS, SA, GF, BI, MH, UA, SV, NZ all have heavies arriving between 0430 and 0700 most days.

User currently offlineBigpappa From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2004, 84 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (10 years 7 months 1 week 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 6106 times:

very unconvenient for us at areas around heathrow  Sad


one good flight deserves another!!!!
User currently offlinePe@rson From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2001, 19229 posts, RR: 52
Reply 6, posted (10 years 7 months 1 week 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 6065 times:

"Arrival at LHR @0500 (not before!) is becasue of convenient departure times in Oz and Far East."

Actually, that's not true: some flights have a scheduled arrival time of before 0500, and, from experience, are normally early. These include BA016, routing SYD-SIN-LHR, which has a scheduled arrival time of 0455, and (from 30 Oct) VS201, routing HKG-LHR, which will have a scheduled arrival time of 0450. (This VS flight is operated by the 346 and not the 744, but it still arrives before 0500.)



"Everyone writing for the Telegraph knows that the way to grab eyeballs is with Ryanair and/or sex."
User currently offlineDelboy From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2001, 725 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (10 years 7 months 1 week 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 6040 times:

Bigpappa

With only four posts and no info of any interest about you in your profile, am I right to assume you have no interest in aviation and are just here to stir things up.

The airport has been there since before you were born, with much noisier jets arriving and departing. Suggest you move if it's getting under your skin!!!


User currently offlineJGPH1A From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (10 years 7 months 1 week 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 6011 times:

Agreed, Delboy ! Bigpappa should think himself lucky he doesn't live near CDG - they'd have expropriated his house years ago and built a runway over it, no questions asked !

User currently offlineN754pr From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (10 years 7 months 1 week 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 5823 times:

The Hong Kong flights are at least 2-3 of them  Smile/happy/getting dizzy

User currently offlineSpeedbirdHeavy From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 427 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (10 years 7 months 1 week 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 5717 times:

very unconvenient for us at areas around heathrow

Did you not see an airport before you moved in???



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User currently offlineCarduelis From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2001, 1586 posts, RR: 10
Reply 11, posted (10 years 7 months 1 week 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 5638 times:

convenient departure times in Oz and Far East

Perhaps I should have said 'because of restrictions on night time take offs around midnight in Far East!'

Pity we can't use forum for advertising, otherwise you might wish to let us know your house is on the market, or at least give us some details about yourself in your Profile!





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User currently offlineCanadianNorth From Canada, joined Aug 2002, 3390 posts, RR: 9
Reply 12, posted (10 years 7 months 1 week 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 5580 times:

In most cases the airport was there before the houses, so if you dont like the noise then dont buy a house near an airport... what part of that is so hard to understand?

But yes if you have a meeting at say 9 am intstead of getting there the day before it is more convenient to arrive early that morning and going str8 to wherever you need to be. Its also handy for tourists, as when they get there they can get there bags and find a motel and all that and still have a chunk of day left over to go look around...





CanadianNorth



What could possibly go wrong?
User currently offline5NEOO From Nigeria, joined Nov 2003, 210 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (10 years 7 months 1 week 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 5459 times:

A good chunk of BA's 744's arrive at LHR at 5am onwards. Flights from LOS, JNB and NBO arrive between 5 and 5:30am


Admit it, you could care less about the continent Africa!
User currently offlineANstar From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2003, 5242 posts, RR: 6
Reply 14, posted (10 years 7 months 1 week 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 5259 times:

NIMBY!

Start running


User currently offlineSabena 690 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 15, posted (10 years 7 months 1 week 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 5204 times:

Seen your young age, I guess that B747's (and much louder ones) where already thundering down at LHR before you were born, so I ask myself: who has to go, the people buying a house just underneath the approach path, or the airport (being their already for years and years).

Frederic


User currently offlineBigpappa From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2004, 84 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (10 years 7 months 1 week 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 5139 times:



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Seen your young age, I guess that B747's (and much louder ones) where already thundering down at LHR before you were born, so I ask myself: who has to go, the people buying a house just underneath the approach path, or the airport (being their already for years and years).
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i guess you havent lived near an airport



one good flight deserves another!!!!
User currently offlineBy738 From Tonga, joined Sep 2000, 2317 posts, RR: 1
Reply 17, posted (10 years 7 months 1 week 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 5068 times:

I thought there was some sort of curfew and it was only after this time regular scheduled flights could start to arrive.

User currently offlineDavid_itl From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2001, 7378 posts, RR: 13
Reply 18, posted (10 years 7 months 1 week 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 5055 times:
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I only live around 3 miles from MAN; my aunt about a mile and a half from MAN, my school was 2 miles from MAN and can say that I've never been inconvenienced by aircraft at all - of course I hear planes (typically Ryanair and PIA) but it's not a constant noise.

I'm more nervous about the lack of noise at night time that occurs around the festive period as I live on one of the main roads into Manchester City Centre; I would suggest that if LHR didn't have early arrivals, you'd certainly notice it.

As for the arrival times, not too sure but I'm sure that they try to delay the arrivals so that they come after 5 am so as not to eat into the night-time quota that exists.

David


User currently offlineSabena 690 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 19, posted (10 years 7 months 1 week 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 5034 times:

My advantage is that I even wouldn't wake up when a bomb would explode besides me...  Big grin

While asleep this summer right under the departing aircrafts at BRU, they had to wake me up when an MD11 took off (we were there with a bunch of spotters)  Big grin Hadn't heard it although it was 4am, and the window (just besides my head) was open since it was a very hot night...

You had the choice: living near an airport or not. You chosed to live there, the consequences are for you...

Frederic


User currently offlineJaspike From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2008, 1 posts, RR: 2
Reply 20, posted (10 years 7 months 1 week 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 4996 times:

With only four posts and no info of any interest about you in your profile, am I right to assume you have no interest in aviation and are just here to stir things up.

Come on guys, no need to go accusing people of things straight away  Smile

Could anyone let me know how old are they because they are so loud and noisy. I know they come from long distances like Australia, Singapore etc but why do they have to fly in that time in the morning.......

He was just asking about the age of the aircraft and why they fly at that time - normal questions for an aviation forum!  Laugh out loud

Luckily I don't live near the EMA flight path, I just hear sirens, traffic... etc.

Josh

[Edited 2004-02-11 22:19:10]

User currently offlineBigpappa From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2004, 84 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (10 years 7 months 1 week 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 4985 times:


yes but when we brought the house we didn't know that these aircraft will be coming in at 5am in the morning. Why should I move house. It would have been fine if it wasn't like that because IM not affected by them all other times but when you do shift work and get disturbed then your not happy.

another thing its not bad in the summer its the winter months when the noise is worse.



one good flight deserves another!!!!
User currently offlineBigpappa From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2004, 84 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (10 years 7 months 1 week 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 4962 times:


thank you jaspike  Smile



one good flight deserves another!!!!
User currently offlineMaiznblu_757 From United States of America, joined Mar 2002, 5112 posts, RR: 50
Reply 23, posted (10 years 7 months 1 week 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 4956 times:

very unconvenient for us at areas around heathrow

One word...

RELOCATE!


User currently offlineDavid_itl From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2001, 7378 posts, RR: 13
Reply 24, posted (10 years 7 months 1 week 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 4915 times:
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So what time do you suggest they come in? 6 hours later and affect a different load of shift workers? Or howabout 12 hours and another load of shiftworkers to be upset.

You know, things like airports aren't exactly difficult to hide; planes arrive/depart at LHR every minute for around 15 or 16 hours every day, so unless you spent about 30 seconds in the suburb (including viewing time at the property!), then you would have noticed the planes - perhaps you ought to be asking questions of the estate agent? Besides, LHR arrivals are available on the BAA website or on Ceefax/Teletext so you could have seen some possible problems in choosing to live near there.

David


25 Post contains images A340600 : Hang on guys the guy asked us a question I'll answer it then lol BA's 744s range in age. The G-BNL* lot are the older ones G-BNLA bing delivered in Ju
26 G-CIVP : Actually I'm quite symppathetic to bigpappa. Pre 6.00am arrivals and the associated noise does affect alot of residents of West London, not just those
27 G-CIVP : A340600 and bigpappa. Just to add, the noise the BA B747's produce is unrelated to their age! They all have the same engine type, (RB211-524's off the
28 ANstar : 2 words Double Glazing! I live under the LHR flight path and also get planes zipping even lower going to LCY however since the doublce glazing went in
29 Post contains images A340600 : Actually i know that about the engines lol, but BIGPAPPA asked that question Sam
30 Dc863 : I don't know how long you've lived in the house BigPappa but at least you're not living under the flightpath of 707s, DC-8s, Tridents, 747-100s, and V
31 Gigneil : Double glazing is almost always the answer. I have lived directly under the flight path at IAD, and do currently live under it at DCA. Really, the air
32 Post contains images Goboeing : yes but when we brought the house we didn't know that these aircraft will be coming in at 5am in the morning Oh please. That's the stupidest comment I
33 Lfutia : A little bit off topic but in India, heavies arrive from 10.00pm to 3.00 am and they depart from 1.00am to 5.00am EU flights and AI leaves around 6.00
34 DeltaRampPIT : Let me know when you want to sell! I would be glad to move in.
35 HNLFlyboy : I wouldn't be complaining, I'd be out having my coffee and watching them come in! I lived in El Segundo, CA just blocks from LAX and all afternoon wou
36 Post contains images Rjpieces : 2 AM in NYC and older 747 cargo planes are taking off from JFK, I'm enjoying myself
37 Rjpieces : In the bottom right pic that GoBoeing posted, it says there is a 6:00 AM landing curfew at LHF and planes must hold and wait until after 6 AM to land.
38 B747-4U3 : I have no sympathy whatsoever for people who choose to live by airports and then moan. The problem is, most of the people who live by airports work an
39 Dukebluedevil : DFW bought our house in Dallas to build a runway on it when I was a kid, and I remember I used to LOVE sitting out there and watch the planes take off
40 Snoopy : G-CIVP wrote: "Obviously there always should be an element of 'buyer beware' in any purchase but it is a known fact that estate agents in that part of
41 An-225 : You know, I used to live near Domodedovo. Non-stop IL-62, Tu-154, Tu-134, Yak-40 and 43, An-24, 12 and 26, IL-76 and 86, and an occasional loud IL-18.
42 LH423 : Oh please. That's the stupidest comment I've read in this entire thread. Did you really think an airport of this size...wouldn't be a 24 hour a day op
43 EZYAirbus : Hey people, i think some of you are being quite unfair to BigPappa, as Jaspike said, he only asked a question about why the aircraft are landing at th
44 Delboy : Maybe my original post about having no interest in avaition was a little harsh, sorry pappa. However, anyone moving to the area surrounding a major i
45 Uadc8contrail : have contacted mayor livingston and he assured the west enders that he would take care of the problem..............yea right a tax stamp on you car to
46 Post contains images Pe@rson : Going back to the days I studied public and private nuisance (both torts), I remember there being a case (I can't remember the name and I don't have m
47 Post contains images Manzoori : Thanks for that James! Sadly though this brings to mind a quote from someone to the effect that 'The law is an Ass'... how on earth can this legal rul
48 JGPH1A : The simplest and probably cheapest solution in the long run is to expropriate (a la francais) all propertly within a 3 mile radius of LHR, bulldoze it
49 Delboy : JGPH1A Ooo no, can't do that. The park at the end of Myrtle Road (or is it Avenue, whatever!) is brilliant if they are using 27L for landing. Can't po
50 JGPH1A : I'm afraid you can't possible win the Euro lottery this weekend - I'm going to ! As the new EC commissioner for LHR, I would spare (of course) the Gre
51 Delboy : I'll give another vote for the greasy spoon, that takes me back
52 Bigpappa : hey delboy.. I wonder if that horse on faggs rd opposite the gate gourmet has any trouble with the noise....:D
53 JGPH1A : He's never complained, if that's what your asking. He probably enjoys logging the rego's when they landing on 27L.
54 Delboy : He's probably the base filling for someones burger by now.
55 Post contains images JGPH1A : Try the greasy spoon
56 G-CIVP : "Also, whilst the RB211-524s are noisier than say the Trent 800s on a 777, isn't most of the noise attributed to the flaps, gear etc?" Sounds ineresti
57 Ams : Earpluggs may also be an option.
58 Post contains images LGW : Hi all, As Rez correctly says the vast majority of aircrfat noise comes from vibrations and air flow in areas such as flaps and gear etc. "yes but whe
59 Arsenal@LHR : LHR is too important to take into consideration the complaints of people who KNOWINGLY buy a house in the backyard of the busiest intenational airport
60 DC-10 Levo : I thought there was a complete ban on all traffic at LHR between 23:00 - 06:00? DC-10
61 Boo25 : Well, it may seem obvious, but LHR has been there since [b]1946[b/], so unless you are over 70 , you would have some idea of whats in store there....
62 Pe@rson : "I thought there was a complete ban on all traffic at LHR between 23:00 - 06:00?" Actually, several long-haul flights arrive between 0450 and 0600, al
63 Pe@rson : Tomorrow, there's 16 arrivals between 0455 (the first; BA016, a 744, routing SYD-SIN-LHR) and 0600, and no departures (the first, AZ227, a 321 routing
64 Post contains images LHR340 : Man planes takeoff over my house when I'm sleeping, and they wake me up but I don't bitch about it! I know it's going to happen, I'm over it! Especial
65 Maiznblu_757 : Complaints do work... We used to get USAF T-37's doing touch n goes regularly at KTVC, and some old woman at the end of the runway complained that the
66 Maiznblu_757 : BigPoppa, Do you like airplanes? Just curious.
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