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Major US Airlines: Non-hub Routes  
User currently offlineAkjetblue From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 790 posts, RR: 5
Posted (10 years 10 months 1 week 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 6517 times:

Can anyone think of any non-hub flights by US airlines? SEA-ANC CO is one I can think of.


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User currently offlineLambertMan From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 2081 posts, RR: 36
Reply 1, posted (10 years 10 months 1 week 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 6497 times:

NW operates non hub routes out of SEA, HNL, LAX, MKE, GRR, FNT etc...
AA has a massive non hub network, MCI-LGA, MSY-BOS, the list goes on and on and includes an extensive JFK intl operation
CO also had SAT-LAX if I remember correctly
US operates some carribbean services out of BOS, domestic out of DCA-TPA, MCI, etc.
HP-SFO-BOS, JFK, LAX-BOS, JFK
DL has many connection and mainline routes out of JFK, including service to several euro destinations places like Nice, Brussels, Rome, Milan, Madrid, Athens and Moscow
UA-Has a few like JFK-LHR, I believe is still around, used to have MIA-GRU, EZE, CO / KMCO), USA - Florida">MCO, and ATL


User currently offlineDia77 From United States of America, joined Jan 2000, 706 posts, RR: 6
Reply 2, posted (10 years 10 months 1 week 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 6476 times:

HP has the whole transcon thing going now. Prior to that however, every HP route went through PHX, LAS, and CMH (until that hub shut down), with one exception. HP flew SMF-SNA (this ended after SW started that route).

User currently offlineSsides From United States of America, joined Feb 2001, 4059 posts, RR: 21
Reply 3, posted (10 years 10 months 1 week 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 6431 times:

Several people argue about AA's routes because they have major operations at so many airports (LAX, JFK, BOS, SJC), some say they are "hubs" and others say they aren't. Officially, AA says DFW, ORD, MIA and SJU are its only "hubs," so the list of non-hub routes seems endless. I can think of the following AA non-hub routes:

AUS-LAX
AUS-SJC
LAX-JFK
BOS-LAX
BOS-SAN
BOS-DCA (Eagle)
JFK-DCA (Eagle)
DCA-RDU (Eagle)

I know there are many, many more.



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User currently offlineDeltaMIA From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 1672 posts, RR: 17
Reply 4, posted (10 years 10 months 1 week 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 6454 times:

"DL has many connection and mainline routes out of JFK, including service to several euro destinations places like Nice, Brussels, Rome, Milan, Madrid, Athens and Moscow"

JFK is a transatlantic hub for DL and thus why there are so many flights out of that airport.

"UA-Has a few like JFK-LHR, I believe is still around, used to have MIA-GRU, EZE, MCO, and ATL"

The MCO and ATL route is no more and in the near future so is the EZE and GRU route.

DL does operate an ACA (DL Conn) hub out of BOS to various markets that would seemingly be better served from JFK. (YHZ, YUL, YFC, BGR, PWM, BTV).
As for any others they have all been eliminated. There may still be a TUL-OKC route, but I think it is gone as of Jan7.



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User currently offlineOzarkD9S From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 5221 posts, RR: 21
Reply 5, posted (10 years 10 months 1 week 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 6398 times:

Every AA route out of STL is a non-hub route  Big grin

STL is still in bold print on the route map of AA's latest edition of their inflight magazine along with MIA, DFW, ORD and SJU so I suppose AA still considers us a hub.



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User currently offlineCO2BGR From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 558 posts, RR: 4
Reply 6, posted (10 years 10 months 1 week 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 6388 times:

CO also opperates LAX-HNL.

SAT-LAX was discontinued after 9/11



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User currently offlineATCDWC From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 12 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (10 years 10 months 1 week 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 6322 times:

What actually constitutes a "Hub"? That's my question.

Is it Number of Aircraft?

Facilities available for their explicit use?


User currently offlineTriJetFan1 From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 1128 posts, RR: 7
Reply 8, posted (10 years 10 months 1 week 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 6321 times:
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United Airlines- Boeing 777-200 flight from New york JFK to London Heathorw.


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User currently offlineNonrevman From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 1302 posts, RR: 1
Reply 9, posted (10 years 10 months 1 week 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 6294 times:

Some DL nonhub city pairs:

SFO-HNL
LAX-HNL
LAX-OGG (Maui)
LAX-DL), Mexico">GDL
LAX-MEX


User currently offlineTriJetFan1 From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 1128 posts, RR: 7
Reply 10, posted (10 years 10 months 1 week 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 6271 times:
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Nonrevman- I thought Delta had a hub at LAX?


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User currently offlineDeltaffindfw From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 1447 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (10 years 10 months 1 week 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 6252 times:



American RDU-LGW


User currently offlineLambertMan From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 2081 posts, RR: 36
Reply 12, posted (10 years 10 months 1 week 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 6247 times:

TriJet, you could make more of a case of AA having a hub at LAX than that of DL. ATL, CVG, SLC, DFW are DL's hubs listed in order in terms of flights....
DeltaMIA, thanks for correcting me when I didn't even say anything wrong  Big grin. DL doesn't list JFK as a hub, so I won't take the liberty of declaring it one myself, it is a "gateway".


User currently offlineTriJetFan1 From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 1128 posts, RR: 7
Reply 13, posted (10 years 10 months 1 week 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 6236 times:
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Delta- Brussels-Raleigh/Durham


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User currently offlineEddieDude From Mexico, joined Nov 2003, 7632 posts, RR: 43
Reply 14, posted (10 years 10 months 1 week 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 6231 times:

The Delta Connection ORD-JFK flight on a regional jet?


Next flights: MEX-GRU (AM 77E), GRU-GIG (JJ A320), SDU-CGH (G3 73H), GRU-MEX (JJ A332).
User currently offlineLambertMan From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 2081 posts, RR: 36
Reply 15, posted (10 years 10 months 1 week 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 6216 times:

BRU-RDU isn't operated by Delta, I can assure you of that one w/o even checking. EddieDude, those RJ's seem to be the trendy thing for DL to help feed their JFK flights to obscure places like SVO or NCE.

User currently offlineNwcoflyer From United States of America, joined Jun 2003, 693 posts, RR: 13
Reply 16, posted (10 years 10 months 1 week 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 6196 times:

Current NW non-hub domestic routes:

FNT-FLL, FNT-MCO, FNT-TPA, GRR-TPA, GRR-MCO, LAX-LAS, LAX-DEN, LAX-HNL, MKE-PHX, MKE-LAS, MKE-LGA, MKE-BOS, MKE-DCA, MKE-LAX.



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User currently offlineFlairport From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 17, posted (10 years 10 months 1 week 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 6177 times:

I do not believe that NW currently flies to FLL from FNT, however, I may be wrong!

User currently offlineTriJetFan1 From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 1128 posts, RR: 7
Reply 18, posted (10 years 10 months 1 week 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 6183 times:
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Boston, MA (BOS)
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User currently offlineDeltaffindfw From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 1447 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (10 years 10 months 1 week 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 6166 times:


TriJet -

Those are not necessarily non-stops. You need to read the fine print. DL has tons of fare sales - many involve connections. DL doesn't even codeshare on an RDU-BRU.


User currently offlineEddieDude From Mexico, joined Nov 2003, 7632 posts, RR: 43
Reply 20, posted (10 years 10 months 1 week 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 6161 times:

Funny thing that DL still calls DFW a hub (LambertMan's post). Its presence there is testimonial in comparison to what it used to be.


Next flights: MEX-GRU (AM 77E), GRU-GIG (JJ A320), SDU-CGH (G3 73H), GRU-MEX (JJ A332).
User currently offlineLambertMan From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 2081 posts, RR: 36
Reply 21, posted (10 years 10 months 1 week 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 6151 times:

It connects thru ATL or JFK. Use some logic here TriJet, that list includes DCA, you think they are flying 767's into DCA? Exactly.

User currently offlineDeltaffindfw From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 1447 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (10 years 10 months 1 week 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 6155 times:


From DLs website:

"A portion of some travel may be on the Delta Connection® carriers: Atlantic Coast Airlines, Atlantic Southeast Airlines, Chautauqua Airlines, Comair, or SkyWest and SkyTeam partner Air France."

Translation - you will connect somewhere!


User currently offlineTriJetFan1 From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 1128 posts, RR: 7
Reply 23, posted (10 years 10 months 1 week 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 6126 times:
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Are they still considered routes if they are offered?


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User currently offlineLambertMan From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 2081 posts, RR: 36
Reply 24, posted (10 years 10 months 1 week 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 6119 times:

No, they are just offers. STL-FRA to my knowledge is on sale, but it isn't considered an actual route per se. Big thumbs up

25 TriJetFan1 : Oh, I see just thought that was interesting that they were offering those FLIGHTS. Basically you might as well put flights on there such as CLE-BRU be
26 Aa757first : US and DL had ABE-MCO. CO (Express) has ABE to BUF/ALB. Every flight WN operates is non-hub. ATA has SFO to EWR, correct? AAndrew
27 Deltaffindfw : DL flies CMH-many Florida markets and to BOS and DCA.
28 PROSA : American RDU-LGW A carryover from the days when AA had a hub at RDU. As mentioned here before, the route still exists mainly because it's heavily used
29 AirVB : Sure AA has a lot of non-HUB routes, but you can hardly consider airports like LAX, JFK, and BOS, equal to the likes of DEN, PHX, etc. I would conside
30 DeltaMIA : LambertMan, You may not consider JFK a hub for DL, but they do. The DL hubs are ATL, BOS, CVG, DFW, JFK, LAX, MCO, and SLC. Granted while some may not
31 LambertMan : Honestly, will someone back me up on the fact that BOS, JFK, LAX, and MCO are not hubs? http://www.delta.com/home/press_url/dal_stats_facts/index.jsp[
32 As739x : Alaska Airlines: SFO-PSP/YVR OAK-SNA Horizon Airlines: SFO-TUS being discontinued SJC-TUS being discontinued To name a few ASSFO
33 ShovelAirlines : Lambertman, I totally agree with you. BOS, JFK, LAX and MCO are not Delta Hubs. Why would anyone say they are hubs while the airline itself does not r
34 Deltaffindfw : Why are you splitting hairs? So, it's not listed as a hub - LAX and JFK are considered "International Gateways". Don't you think an international gat
35 Flairport : Alaska: Nome-Bethal? some of their southern Alaska runs OAK-SNA? Barrow-Purdhue Bay? DL: ALL SONG ROUTES (if New Yorks airports and BOS are not hubs a
36 Post contains images LambertMan : Deltaindfw, I was the one who actually posted that link may I remind you. I'm quite aware of the international gateways, we are talking hubs. A simple
37 Jeffrey1970 : AirTran has flights to Orlando and Miami from BWI. Also they fly to the Bahamas from BWI. God bless through Jesus, Jeff
38 DeltaMIA : I am sorry whether you choose to believe it or not. DL does consider JFK, BOS, LAX, and MCO as hubs. The airline does list them as hubs however I can'
39 DeltaMIA : "Also, I do believe that DL pulled out of the BOS-YHZ route." Nope still fly it 3x a day on FRJ's.
40 A330323X : US Airways operates the following mainline flights from airports other than PHL/PIT/CLT/DCA/LGA/BOS: BDA-FLL/MCO/BWI SJU-IAD MCO-ALB/BUF/BDL/SYR/PVD A
41 MAH4546 : I do not believe that NW currently flies to FLL from FNT, however, I may be wrong! Northwest does fly FLL-FNT non-stop with DC-9s. American has the la
42 Cospn : CO SPN-MNL, ROR-MNL, YAP-ROR, SEA-ANC, LAX-HNL, HNL-MAJ,MAJ-KWA,KWA-PNI, PNI-TKK, TAG Flight GRU-GIG (No Local Traffic)
43 NWA Man : While NW has added many "non-hub" flights with the MKE minihub and the preemptive strikes against AirTran in Michigan, they've really cut the fat in r
44 Amwest25 : "Major U.S. Hubs: Atlanta Cincinnati Dallas/Ft. Worth Salt Lake City" JFK, LAX, MCO may very well be DL hubs. They just list what they call a Major Hu
45 All4BWI : CO Express flies BWI-HPN with B1900s.
46 Stewboy : Additional Continental: Panama City (PTY) - Guayaquil (GYE) Bogota (BOG)- Quito (UIO) Thru Traffic Only: Belize City (BZE)- San Pedro Sula (SAP) Quito
47 Isitsafenow : NWAMAN is quite accurate. NW flies the FNT-FLL on saturdays only. I think airTran does the same. The FNT to MCO and TPA are daily flights.
48 UA744KSFO : I can think of a few not listed above. SEA-NRT on UA. Also SEA-ANC on UA. Also on UA, JFK-NRT. I was wondering if DCA could be considered a hub for US
49 Haveric : The US Airways and Delta Shuttles BOS-DCA DCA-LGA BOS-LGA
50 TriJetFan1 : NWA 757-300 SEA-HNL, just recently posted
51 Klwright69 : In the recent past CO has flown SAN-MEX, SAT-MEX, MSY-LAX.
52 B4real : ATCDWC: What actually constitutes a "Hub"? That's my question. The best way I can describe a hub nowadays, is scheduled connections from two points, a
53 TriJetFan1 : UAL JFK-LHR on the 772 eqiupment
54 Leneld : Let see PDX has: Anc-PDX on AS PDX-Narita on NW starting in june
55 Cory6188 : I think that CO by far only operates hub routes than anyone else. At the moment, the only flights operated by them or CO Express (ignoring CO Mike - a
56 SESGDL : Leneld, PDX is considered a hub by AS. Jeremy
57 MAH4546 : Let see PDX has: Anc-PDX on AS PDX-Narita on NW starting in june Neither is a point-to-point route. PDX is an Alaska Airlines hub, and so is Anchorage
58 F9Fan : F9 will operate the following non-hub routes by the end of May. LAX-MCI LAX-MSP LAX-PHL LAX-STL ABQ-ELP is currently operated, but they are scheduled
59 TravisNC : Here are some non-hub routes out of RDU: AA: BOS, CMH, FLL, BDL, LGW, NAS, JFK, LGA, EWR, MCO, PHL, DCA (assuming the hubs are: DFW, ORD, MIA, & STL)
60 LUV4JFK : It seems everyone is arguing what is a hub and what is not. Here is a list of the hubs for the top 10 US Airlines. It's not 100% accurate, but it's th
61 Jmy007 : STL is not a focus city yet, It still a hub, and Amrcorp.com proves it! http://www.amrcorp.com/corpinfo.htm and click on hub profile.
62 Jmy007 : And not to beat a dead horse about the hub status of STL, But on a press release yesterday about gate consolidation, AA mentions STL as a hub. http://
63 Post contains images Airmech56 : ATCDWC, "What actually constitutes a "Hub"? That's my question." The word "hub" comes basically from the wheel. It's called the hub and spoke system.
64 Jfklganyc : JFK is absolutely a Delta hub. The definition of a hub is a city connected to many spokes through banks of flights. And if you look at the flight sche
65 AZO : And you can now fly between Los Angeles and New York on NW668, which makes two stops enroute, but does not stop at a hub (routing LAX-LAS-MKE-LGA). Ac
66 Cospn : (ignoring CO Mike - a quite unusual operation) Not just because I work for AirMike but almost all flights run to the hub at Guam.. Just like Big CAL
67 Akjetblue : If you have numerous flights from south florida to Orlando, to connect to destinations around the conutry, (and visa versa) doesn't that make that cit
68 MAH4546 : What makes a hub is when an airline decides an operation is a hub. Orlando is not a hub for Delta, neither are JFK or Boston, because Delta doesn't ca
69 USAir734 : Jfklganyc Dela defines their "Major US Hubs" on the website below http://www.delta.com/home/press_url/dal_stats_facts/index.jsp
70 MIA : AA has a non-hub flight from FLL-CCS. United had MIA-EZE and MIA-GRU
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