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PHL-PVD; $29 On WN, WOW!  
User currently offlinePVD757 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 3412 posts, RR: 17
Posted (10 years 5 months 3 weeks 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 4591 times:

SWA finally annonced PHL fares and schedules today. I was going to drive down to the PHL area this summer, but for $29, I'll now be flying! 5 roundtrips for PVD, that is just awesome. Wonder what USAirways will do...?

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User currently offlineN863DA From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 48 posts, RR: 6
Reply 1, posted (10 years 5 months 3 weeks 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 4568 times:

"Wonder what USAirways will do...?"

...Suffer... heavily....

N 8 6 3 D A


User currently offlineIsitsafenow From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 4984 posts, RR: 24
Reply 2, posted (10 years 5 months 3 weeks 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 4504 times:

Or drink heavily.....


If two people agree on EVERYTHING, then one isn't necessary.
User currently offlineGoboeing From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 2686 posts, RR: 15
Reply 3, posted (10 years 5 months 3 weeks 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 4447 times:

This is great!!! $200 roundtrip to PHX! $60 to PVD! BWI to BNA is my next trip for a wedding, that's $145 roundtrip!

Nick


User currently offlineGoingboeing From United States of America, joined Dec 1999, 4875 posts, RR: 16
Reply 4, posted (10 years 5 months 3 weeks 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 4425 times:

For all you "Southwest isn't always the lowest fare", I offer this comparison.

One way fare PHL-PVD on Southwest - $89
One way fare PHL-PVD on USAirways - $417.10

That $89 is the MOST someone will pay on Southwest.


User currently offlineJetBluefan1 From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 2972 posts, RR: 14
Reply 5, posted (10 years 5 months 3 weeks 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 4402 times:

Wow! $29 is really awesome for that flight...and how much has US been traveling? $99? This really is bad for US Airways, but I think it's great the WN is relieving the city of Philadelphia from sky high airfares.

JetBluefan1



Most people on a.net hate JetBlue. Get used to it.
User currently offlineA330323X From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 3039 posts, RR: 44
Reply 6, posted (10 years 5 months 3 weeks 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 4365 times:

One way fare PHL-BOS on US Airways - $42.


I'm the expert on here on two things, neither of which I care about much anymore.
User currently offlineNIKV69 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (10 years 5 months 3 weeks 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 4345 times:

You won't be worrying about USAirways for long, they will be gone soon. Southwest is just killing them.

User currently offlineBicoastal From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (10 years 5 months 3 weeks 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 4296 times:

$84 roundtrip to Boston from Philadelphia on US Airways. Not bad. The $60 roundtrip on Southwest to PVD (Boston has a whole lot more demand than Providence) doesn't include the cost of a bus ride to Boston and the extra time and traffic. Looks like a better deal on US...to Boston area. US Airways will likely match Southwest's Providence-Philadelphia fare.



User currently offlineFreshlove1 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (10 years 5 months 3 weeks 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 4256 times:

WN is not killing US, US is killing US but in due time it will all change. US will survive. WN cant keep their costs low for ever, I believe that they will have some of the highest paid pilots in the industry in the near future. They will have to sell lots of $29 tickets to cover that, or raise prices.

User currently offlinePVD757 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 3412 posts, RR: 17
Reply 10, posted (10 years 5 months 3 weeks 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 4240 times:

Bicoastal - you should come to the airport and look at the license plates in the parking lots. We're close enough to BOS to make a difference. You need to cut down on that funny grass when you start saying that BOS is a better deal. US can match the PHL fare all they want. There are a significant amount of diehard WN riders here.

User currently offlineNIKV69 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (10 years 5 months 3 weeks 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 4229 times:

I am not sure WN is going to raise fares all that much, and they are killing USAir, they are killing them in Philly, in NY(ISP) WN is the king of the LCC and people are flying them, big time. Their show on A&E helps them as well.

User currently offlineBicoastal From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (10 years 5 months 3 weeks 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 4210 times:

I understand (but don't share) the loyalty to Southwest. That's fine. My point is for someone who isn't loyal and doesn't have the time nor wants to deal with traffic nor pay extra for a bus to Boston, it would be a better deal to fly US Airways to Logan. There's more to factor in than just the ticket price.

User currently offlineFlyinggizmo From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 98 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (10 years 5 months 3 weeks 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 4125 times:

NIKV69.....do not collect, do not pass go. You seem to have an axe to grind against US. Why, I don't know, but if you enjoy seeing people lose their jobs to ensure that people like you can travel for a price that is cheaper than a bj from a hooker, be my guest. I work for US, and am not going to let it fail just so some idiot like you can amuse yourself and continue the raping of america.

Freshlove1, thanks for the vote of confidence. US will match the fares that WN offers. In addition, the schedule between PVD-PHL is set to be doubled, as well as the other routes as PIT's days are now numbered - all PIT flights will move to PHL. The $29 fare they offer is on a limited amount of seats(no one, not even WN with slave wages can make money at that fare), so it's reasonable to presume that off each flight about 15-40 seats will go for that fare. The rest is the full walkup. US will match it, and will flood the market as well. As I understand it, the negotiations between the BOD and unions are going well now, so I expect some major announcements to be made over the next few weeks. WN has been trying to get permission from the airport to operate off of rwy 26, and has not gotten it yet, mostly because of safety concerns.


User currently offlineNIKV69 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 14, posted (10 years 5 months 3 weeks 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 4093 times:

No axe to grind Flyinggizmo,

You are taking this personally, which is a mistake. This is a BUSINESS. People want to fly for the best fare and reasonable service. You seem to have an axe to grind to WN because they are doing what your company can not do.
Fly lots of people on safe aircraft for a cheap price and make money. Sorry US can't achieve this, and has sizable debt. People losing their job has no bearing on this, it is sad and you take it to heart. That's fine but don't lose sight of the issue, people don't fly airlines so people can keep their jobs, I could care less. If your company was run better it would not be in this situation. Don't hate WN because they are getting it done..More power to them.


User currently offlineFlyinggizmo From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 98 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (10 years 5 months 3 weeks 2 days ago) and read 4013 times:

You can not run an airline safely when cheapness is involved. WN has good management, but their safety is one of the best kept secrets in aviation. Outsourcing to third party maintenance, going on the cheap when doing it on their own, pilots blowing speed limits on the taxiways and in the air and doing a slew of funny tricks like landing on fumes at ORF, powerbacking at LAX into a ANZ 747's tail, cutting off AA in a taxiline at PVD against a controllers orders....nah, you will never hear about those incidents.

US CAN acheive your task of flying safely, and giving good service. What you and the rest of the public seem to forget is that aviation is NOT mass transit. If you want safety and a cheap fare, go ride the subway, not an airliner. An airliner is a far more complex piece of machinery integrated into an airspace and airport system that is filled to capacity every day. You think that you DESERVE a $29.00 one way fare. Maybe you can use the savings to absorb the hospital cost or even funeral costs after your flight goes haywire. And do not give me the line of "But WN doesn't have accidents". WN can, and will end up dropping people off at the cemetary one of these days simply because of foolish practices - ones done in the name of cheapness. All airlines eventually do, because the odds allow it.

What is a rational fare? US with productivity changes can make money reasonably off doing $99.00 per person PVD-PHL. Is $99 too much for you? Then I recommend you see a shrink ASAP. Flying is an inherently dangerous business, and tightwads in ANY aspect of it quickly are humbled by mistakes. Strip down any airline to it's core mission, and you will discover that all are the same. Take the passenger from point A to B, in the safest possible manner. In my office, we have a motto:Safety first, Quality second, Production third. That is the order of things, and it is the way they should be. Think about that when you go and buy that $29.00 ticket next time, and ponder some important questions. Like, did the pilot take enough fuel or even the CORRECT fuel so he would not have to declare an emergency to land at ORF. Or did the mechanic up in BUF who had the balls to actually BOAST of his cheapness by not adhering to FAA PROCEDURES to a major publication("I don't use that expensive chip removal equipment like I am supposed to do, I just do it by hand and save you a buck and endanger your life"). How cheap is too cheap for you to finally understand that when you demand an insanely cheap ticket, the measures that the airline must do may be putting you at risk? You want US to fail simply because you are obsessed with it. Faster, cheaper, bigger, more is your motto. It may not happen now, it may never happen at all, but the risk is there. And the cheaper the tickets get, the bigger the chances you take get too.


User currently offlineSTT757 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 16829 posts, RR: 51
Reply 16, posted (10 years 5 months 3 weeks 2 days ago) and read 3967 times:

Flyinggizmo,

Don't play the "safety" card, people in NY are very familiar with "US Scare".



Eastern Air lines flt # 701, EWR-MCO Boeing 757
User currently offlineNIKV69 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 17, posted (10 years 5 months 3 weeks 2 days ago) and read 3921 times:

Flyinggizmo is just jealous, all those incidents you described made me laugh, and the facts still say the same thing. WN, over thirty years and only one incident of over-running a runway with no fatalities(pilot error). USAir, has a bad safety record.

Sept 89 - 2 deaths (Pilot error)
March 92 - 27 deaths (Pilot error, took off with ice on wings)
July 94 - 37 deaths (windshear?)

Don't be hating WN and spewing out these ridiculous incidents about landing on fumes or cutting off planes in the taxi line. Or insinuate they are going to have an incident. That's BS.

WN flies with huge turnover and their planes depart and arrive safely. With lower fares than US that attracts alot more pax and a hit TV show!!


User currently offline737doctor From United States of America, joined Mar 2001, 1332 posts, RR: 39
Reply 18, posted (10 years 5 months 3 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 3884 times:

Freshlove,

The pilots' contract expires in 2006.



Patrick Bateman is my hero.
User currently offlineChi-town From United States of America, joined Sep 2000, 971 posts, RR: 5
Reply 19, posted (10 years 5 months 3 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 3793 times:

I just went on southwest.com This is great! $29 PHL-PVD is a steal! I just checked MDW-PHL and it's $174. Not bad at all! MDW-PHL-MDW service will start on May 3, 2004.

User currently offlineChi-town From United States of America, joined Sep 2000, 971 posts, RR: 5
Reply 20, posted (10 years 5 months 3 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 3763 times:

Your total for the PHL-PVD flight, roundtrip, with taxes, is $76.70. What a deal!

User currently offlineNIKV69 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 21, posted (10 years 5 months 3 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 3748 times:

BLAH BLAH BLAH, almost did this almost did that, well pal you are the one who is dumb. Those pax didn't get bar b-qued. Please stay with the facts, not what YOU wish happened.

Let's dissect these incidents.

If you read my post carefully I said WNs only incident was pilot error, no deaths. Done..

USAir

Feb 86 - Pilot error (No deaths)

Sept 89 - Pilot error (2 deaths)

March 92 - Pilot error (27 deaths) I don't care about your fancy terms pal, pilots responsibility is to make sure plane is free of ice before departure, period.

I don't care about the layouts of airports or the waiting times at airports, hey guess what you bozo? THAT'S LIFE!! It's part of the job!

The wind shear incident and rudder incident can go either way, the rudder servo valve was faulty but releasing the rudder corrected the problem, the pilot in PA tried to save the AC and kept on the rudder till all control of the plane was lost he had no idea releasing the rudder would have fixed it, we can blame that on Boeing's design.

You have to stop with all this BS about WN, landing on low fuel etc, I am sure WN is not the only airline that does any of this, but according to you USAir is perfect and WN is horrible, yet WN only thrives and get more popular and USAir is counting the days till that dreaded cease of operations comes which is near. Low fares is what EVERYBODY wants, when are you going to wake up?
It's a business pal, and WN is tops in it..Deal with it..In fact get your resume together, maybe WN will hire ya!!  Smile/happy/getting dizzy


User currently offlineAa757first From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 3347 posts, RR: 8
Reply 22, posted (10 years 5 months 3 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 3723 times:

US has got really great fares going on recently, too. $245 R/T ABE to SJU! LGA to NAS $287 R/T! LAX to FRA $375, PHL to LGW $226! Those are great fares.

As a PHL flyer (ABE hometown airport), I always liked US. All of my flights have been on time, the F/As were pleasant enough. After watching Airline, I don't think I'll fly Southwest. Maybe once to see what the hub-hub I was hoping to fly them, but after watching that... IMO, both carriers have their strong points and weak points.

AAndrew


User currently offlineNIKV69 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 23, posted (10 years 5 months 3 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 3695 times:

All that goofy stuff that happens on Airline is done for TV, and I tell ya WN did themselves a huge favor by agreeing to do the show, it's free advertising and is only bringing them more pax. Another great move.

User currently offlineBicoastal From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 24, posted (10 years 5 months 3 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 3676 times:

Yep, I'd take US Airways. Assigned seating and convenient airports are my preference. Plus, the A&E show doesn't help persuade me to fly Southwest. As I've said before, I've never seen losers like that on any airline but Southwest. Walmart prices equals a Walmart clientele.

25 STT757 : "and for YOU to say that NYer's only know of US betrays you as an ass" Only US Air had fatalities, nobody remembers the Fed Ex crash landing at EWR .
26 AirT85 : Regardless of who thinks who is better...the fact remains Southwest has spent 30 years making money off fares like those they are now charging out of
27 Post contains images SHUPirate1 : Aa757-Southwest's hub-hub? Last I checked, they didn't have any hubs...
28 NIKV69 : AirT85, Thank God someone here is using their brains! Yes Adios USAirways. R.I.P
29 Braniff1960 : Fact is most Philly customers will continue to fly USAirways if they have "miles " to accrue because USAirways will match WN's fares. Fact is some peo
30 737doctor : Hey gizmo, As a mechanic for Southwest, I can personally attest to the fact that we don't cut corners when it comes to maintenance. Safety is our firs
31 AirT85 : Braniff1960: I don't care how many people US can get onto their airplanes for 42 bucks to Boston or even 99 bucks to Boston. The fact remains they're
32 Captaink : I am not from the US, and I don't know that much about domestic flights and typical costs. I live in Grenada, and I work for the handling company that
33 NIKV69 : We are not USAir haters, we are just pointing out the facts, which certain people take offense because they can't handle it. I do not hate USAir, but
34 Post contains images Captaink : Flyinggizmo, wassup.. Question, being that you work in dispatch you may know about this.. I noticed that most the southern caribbean stn's whose fligh
35 Captaink : NIKV69 and we trying to let you know that WN, would not, and cannot be the end of US at PHL. US is not in the present financial situation becuase of
36 AirT85 : I'm not full of joy that USAirways is in a precarious situation and I also don't believe WN will be the sole cause of USAirways going under, but the w
37 NIKV69 : When did I say WN was the cause of USAir's money problems? Come on read what is posted and don't assume. I wouldn't say that because I know it's not t
38 Freshlove1 : Im sure WN is safe but i have to say I question some of the ways they fix things. Now i'm not a mtc. guy but I do work for a major airline and we happ
39 Freshlove1 : To all who like WN's $29 fares please read this. www.usatoday.com click on the money section click on today in the sky (about 1/2 way down the page) r
40 737doctor : Im sure WN is safe but i have to say I question some of the ways they fix things. I have worked on between 100-200 of our aircraft and flown on many m
41 Freshlove1 : I can understand the tape on the cargo bin panels, but the taped off smoke detector really is what caught my eye. I thought that if the detector was i
42 Flyinggizmo : 737 doctor, Do a google search for a Time or Newsweek article about Southwest from sometime last year. It features a story about a WN mechanic boastin
43 NIKV69 : It's not the unions fault, they are just a scapegoat, face it, consumers are choosing JetBlue, AA, CO and WN over USAir, for a multitude of reasons. I
44 Haveric : NIKV69 -- you're new here. Maybe earn people's respect before you begin insulting them, insulting their airlines, and insulting their intelligence. Pe
45 NIKV69 : Haveric read this. NIKV69.....do not collect, do not pass go. You seem to have an axe to grind against US. Why, I don't know, but if you enjoy seeing
46 AsstChiefMark : Now if WN would just set up shop at MSP....
47 Dsuairptman : I don't want to join the controversy, but I fell that reading all these post makes one particular WN worshiper come off as an ass-hole. Not to stir mo
48 NIKV69 : Jeez, you people should READ. Where did I say WN is crushing the competition? WN is not my airline of choice either. Who am I trying to educate? I jus
49 737doctor : One article (which may or may not be accurate) contains "quotes" from one mechanic and our whole MX operation should be called into question? Whatever
50 Post contains images NIKV69 : More power to you 737Doc, Glad to hear some facts instead of empty assumptions. I applaud you and your fellow men at WN. I don't fly WN often but have
51 TOLtommy : "One way fare PHL-BOS on US Airways - $42." Only because AirTran is also in the PHL-BOS market. Otherwise the fare would be just as high as their pre-
52 PVD757 : TOLtommy, I agree and IMHO think that FL's days are numbered on that route. It's going to get ugly and they would probably be smart to put thier asset
53 KKMolokai : From The New York Times ---SOUTHWEST'S FARES JOLT US AIRWAYS IN PHILADELPHIA--- Beginning a heated competition for passengers in Philadelphia, Southwe
54 Post contains links STT757 : http://www.nytimes.com "Southwest's $29 Fares Jolt US Airways in Philadelphia By MICHELINE MAYNARD February 13, 2004 Beginning a heated competition fo
55 Post contains images Dadoftyler : Freshlove1, Who the hell are YOU to tell someone not to question your crediblity?!?!?!?!? This is an internet board, bud, and half of the people here
56 PVD757 : At first I don't think that US Airways will lose that many customers that originate in PHL. Matching the low fares will erode revenues further and mak
57 737doctor : Freshlove, This time your hostility and insistence that we take MX shortcuts despite facts to the contrary have driven another nail into the coffin of
58 Danny : Great news. I needed to get from Buffalo to Scranton - 4,5 hrs drive so I searched for a flight. US Airways came up with fantastic offer for $1.377 -
59 PVD757 : Since we don't know your background, we have no choice but to take what you're saying with a grain of salt. Sorry, but if we knew that you were credib
60 Post contains images 737doctor : speaking of a coffin, if WN continues to shortcut the MTC on their planes they will be putting plenty of people in them. Once again, another inflammat
61 I LOVE EWR : Freshlove1, you say you work for a major airline. When you say "Im sure WN is safe but i have to say I question some of the ways they fix things" I am
62 BigB : speaking of a coffin, if WN continues to shortcut the MTC on their planes they will be putting plenty of people in them. I smell Bull @#$* coming out
63 Post contains images NIKV69 : 737doctor, Don't you love this? People are so jealous of WN's great safety record they have to throw out these empty statements about questionable mai
64 NWAFA : 737Doctor Couple of questions for ya...I commute on WN quite often and I chat with the crews...I have talked to more than one crew that say they make
65 NIKV69 : Good Lord! You are flying for the cheapest fares in the business! What do you want? Gold coffee urns? Come on get real. Southwest is not known for the
66 USAir734 : Southwest is playin hard ball. I don't mean to "stand on my soap box", and I'm no Southwest expert either. But I live in NY and Southwest has flown he
67 OPNLguy : Gee, it's not like any of the other non-SWA employees have ulterior motives, right? ;-/ NWAFA said... >>>I commute on WN quite often On reduced rate p
68 Post contains images 737doctor : Now that it appears that Freshlove has managed to get many of his posts deleted, this thread doesn't make much sense anymore. As far as NWAFA's questi
69 Swacle : USAir734 First off, $29 is one way and is the LOWEST fare, which means that generally between 5-15% of the aircraft will be sold at that rate. Southwe
70 PVD757 : I can't wait to see what US's PVD-PHL schedule will look like come May. This reminds me when PVD really saw tons of growth, when WN & US battled it ou
71 NIKV69 : Swacle, Surprised to hear ISP failed. That is my home airport and I think you guys do ok out of there, you have to be flying the majority of Long Isla
72 GD727 : First of all, PVD being the airport I primarily use, I'm glad to see that WN will be adding yet more service for such a good price! Now as for all thi
73 Swacle : NIKV69 What we have there is profitable, don't get me wrong. We do do very well out of ISP...Good load factor, et al. BUT I think we had much bigger p
74 NIKV69 : Swacle, Tru, JetBlue out of JFK is tough but even though it's only a short distance from ISP I think it is a little sub market. I heard you guys are g
75 InnocuousFox : @Flyinggizmo "but if you enjoy seeing people lose their jobs to ensure that people like you can travel for a price that is cheaper than a bj from a ,
76 NIKV69 : Yes I was thinking the same thing, I loved that phrase about traveling for cheaper than a bj, that's original. Your right though, at this point the on
77 Flyinggizmo : OPNLguy, VA knows about it already. What's your point? VA and I are on good relations, so I think your threat holds zero credibility. Nothing personal
78 OPNLguy : >>>. What's your point? VA and I are on good relations, so I think your threat holds zero credibility. Nothing personal to you, but I think that sort
79 NWAFA : 737Doctor, Collen may want that to be her top issue, but as a commuter on WN its not what I see. I just got in from a quick day trip..had a -700 with
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