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State With Most Intra-state Mainline Jet Service  
User currently offlineZrs70 From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 3221 posts, RR: 9
Posted (10 years 10 months 1 week 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 3407 times:

Which US state:

a) Has
b) Has had

the most intra-state jet service of all states.

For this question, I will count routes from older airliners that predated the modern regional jet. (I.E. Air Wisonsin's BAC 146 and Empire's F'28's).

I suppose the top conteders are CA, NY, and FL. But I would love to be proven wrong!


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User currently offlineNorthStarDC4M From Canada, joined Apr 2000, 3064 posts, RR: 36
Reply 1, posted (10 years 10 months 1 week 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 3389 times:
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ill put my money on Texas or California... both of them have high levels of jet service intra-state.


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User currently offlineElectraBob From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 931 posts, RR: 3
Reply 2, posted (10 years 10 months 1 week 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 3334 times:

I would have to agree w/ NorthStarDC4M.

I would like to know how many intra-state flights are operated by Southwest....just within the State of Texas.



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User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 33272 posts, RR: 71
Reply 3, posted (10 years 10 months 1 week 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 3328 times:

I suppose the top conteders are CA, NY, and FL. But I would love to be proven wrong!

You are correct. They are three of the four most populous states, and the three states with the most major cities.




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User currently offlineKanebear From United States of America, joined May 2002, 953 posts, RR: 1
Reply 4, posted (10 years 10 months 1 week 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 3309 times:

My gut feeling (as a Texan) would be to put my money on California. Though Texas is larger, California has more people (over 10 million more) spread over a larger area. The bulk of Texas' intrastate air traffic is from smaller cities to DFW/DAL and HOU/IAH whereas California has far more point to point traffic. Also, the state is relatively affluent, thus the populace can afford air travel.

User currently offlineCOIAH99 From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 251 posts, RR: 5
Reply 5, posted (10 years 10 months 1 week 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 3276 times:

I think I would have to throw in Alaska in there as well.


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User currently offlineFlyguyclt From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 537 posts, RR: 8
Reply 6, posted (10 years 10 months 1 week 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 3262 times:

Just my 3 cents.

Texas
California
Hawaii

Safe Flying  Smile



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User currently offlineB6FA4ever From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 819 posts, RR: 11
Reply 7, posted (10 years 10 months 1 week 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 3260 times:

yes...CA and TX would have by far the most "intra-state" mainline flights.

another state i can think of would be Hawaii. Aloha and Hawaiian have many frequencies within the islands everyday!

~B6FA4ever


User currently offlineFlyingNanook From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 830 posts, RR: 12
Reply 8, posted (10 years 10 months 1 week 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 3232 times:

I would go with CA. AK wouldn't cut it because although we have the most airports and most intra-state routes, most are served by props. I'll go check on the number of jet serviced routes within the state. It shouldn't be too many.
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Edit starts here:

AS does no fewer than 10 routes in Alaska(I'm considering reverse routes to be the same, i.e. ANC/FAI=FAI/ANC) and here they are:

ANC/AKN/ADK
ANC/FAI/BRW
ANC/BET
ANC/CDV/YAK/JNU
ANC/AKN/DLG
FAI/ANC/JNU/SIT/KTN
ANC/JNU/PSG/WRG/KTN
ANC/ADQ
ANC/OTZ/OME
ANC/SCC

Note, this list shows all possible stops for a route. For example there are flights ANC-FAI without going on to BRW, but I won't call ANC/FAI a different route than ANC/FAI/BRW.

Also, sorry about not including what all the airport codes are for the ones that a.net doesn't pop up as a tooltip. I figured this is confusing enough to begin with.


[Edited 2004-02-13 02:11:02]


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User currently offlineAZO From United States of America, joined Jun 2002, 770 posts, RR: 1
Reply 9, posted (10 years 10 months 1 week 4 days ago) and read 3165 times:

I know Michigan is not one of those top ones, but I'm sure it has more than many.

Cities that currently get mainline:
AZO
DTW
GRR
FNT
LAN
MBS
TVC

Seven isn't too bad, is it?



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User currently offlineDeltaffindfw From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 1447 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (10 years 10 months 1 week 4 days ago) and read 3130 times:

Are you talking # of cities or # of flights? If it's flights, I would think Texas due to WN.

User currently offlineSebwhite From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (10 years 10 months 1 week 4 days ago) and read 3116 times:

New York isn't even up there anymore. US no longer has mainline service from BUF, ROC, SYR, ALB to LGA. CO flies once daily on 737s to BUF, and JetBlue has a couple flights to SYR, 4-5 to ROC and 5-6 to BUF. ROC-SYR on DL is gone, and so is BUF-ROC on UA.

User currently offlineChi-town From United States of America, joined Sep 2000, 971 posts, RR: 5
Reply 12, posted (10 years 10 months 1 week 4 days ago) and read 3100 times:

I would have to say Texas.

American and Southwest fly all over the state.
Soutwest Intra-State Destinations:

Dallas Love
Austin
Houston-Hobby
Houston-IAH
San Antonio
El Paso
Midland/Odessa
Lubbock
Amarillo
Corpus Christi
Harlingen

American Airlines/Eagle Intra-State Destinations:

El Paso
Middland/Odessa
Lubbock
San Angelo
Witchita Falls
Amarillo
Texarkana
Dallas-DFW
Longview
Killeen/Ft. Hood
Abilene
Waco
Tyler
College Station
Houston-Hobby
Houston-IAH
Austin
San Antonio
Corpus Christi
Laredo
McAllen


User currently offlineB4real From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 2661 posts, RR: 5
Reply 13, posted (10 years 10 months 1 week 4 days ago) and read 3083 times:

Gotta be the Lonestar state.

Don't mess with Texas



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User currently offlineDeltaffindfw From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 1447 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (10 years 10 months 1 week 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 3076 times:


But most of those AA cities are NOT served by mainline (and a lot are not even served by RJs).


User currently offlineFlymia From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 7271 posts, RR: 6
Reply 15, posted (10 years 10 months 1 week 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 3038 times:

Yea TX and CA i think too but here is something Florida is Complete Queen of.

The US state or really any type of Providence with flights Across an Ocean. Here in FL we have Schdule service in MIA,MCO,TPA,RSW and Charters for Stanford and FLL. So that is six Airports with Trans Atlantic Service.
CA has Three, TX has Two NY has one and no other State has more then one i think!



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User currently offlineFlymia From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 7271 posts, RR: 6
Reply 16, posted (10 years 10 months 1 week 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 3029 times:

Sorry pressed the Post botton a little quick there with all those spelling mistakes.  Sad . Eg. Schedule!


"It was just four of us on the flight deck, trying to do our job" (Captain Al Haynes)
User currently offlineLhr001 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 17, posted (10 years 10 months 1 week 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 3013 times:

It would appear as if California has the most Mainline services that run Intra-State. The grand total for Mainline services in California which is inclusive of Alaska Airlines, Aloha Airlines, American Airlines, Jet Blue, Southwest Airlines, and United Airlines services.

232 Daily Intra-California Mainline Flights
25410 Daily Seats per average of 110 seats per mainline aircraft

Remember: Per the Topic Heading it is not permitted to include non mainline service thusfore American Eagle , Horizon Air, and United Express has been omitted from the listings!

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OAKLAND


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84 Flights
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Burbank
WN: 14 Flights

Long Beach
B6: 6 Flights

Los Angeles
WN: 22 Flights
UA: 2 Flights

Ontario
WN: 14 Flights

Orange County
AS: 5 Flights
WN: 8 Flights

San Diego
WN: 15 Flights


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SACRAMENTO


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53 Flights
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Burbank
AQ: 1 Flight
WN: 10 Flights

Los Angeles
WN: 9 Flights
UA: 1 Flight

Ontario
WN: 12 Flights

Orange County
WN: 7 Flights

San Diego
WN: 13 Flights

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SAN FRANCISCO


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45 Flights
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Los Angeles
AA: 7 Flights
AS: 1 Flight
UA: 18 Flights

Orange County
UA: 6 Flights

Palm Springs
AS: 3 Flights

San Diego
UA: 10 Flights

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SAN JOSE


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50 Flights
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Burbank
WN: 9 Flights

Los Angeles
WN: 14 Flights

Ontario
WN: 9 Flights

Orange County
AA: 2 Flights
WN: 6 Flights

San Diego
WN: 10 Flights



LHR001


User currently offlineLhr001 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 18, posted (10 years 10 months 1 week 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 2996 times:

FLYMIA:


Here are a few things that will assist with International Air Service from the state of California versus the state of Florida..


Los Angeles
_________

Aer Lingus to Shannon
Aero California to Hermosillo
Aero California to Los Cabos
Aero California to Manzanillo
Aero California to Mazatlan
Aero California to Tijuana
AeroFlot to Moscow
Aero Mexico to Acapulco
Aero Mexico to Guadalajara
Aero Mexico to Hermosillo
Aero Mexico to Los Cabos
Aero Mexico to Mexico City
Air Canada to Calgary
Air Canada to Montreal
Air Canada to Toronto
Air Canada to Vancouver
Air China to Beijing
Air France to Papeete
Air France to Paris
Air Jamaica to Montego Bay
Air New Zealand to Auckland
Air New Zealand to London
Air New Zealand to Papeete
Air Pacific to Nadi
Air Tahiti Nui to Papeete
Alaska Airlines to Cancun
Alaska Airlines to Guadalajara
Alaska Airlines to Ixtapa
Alaska Airlines to Los Cabos
Alaska Airlines to Manzanillo
Alaska Airlines to Mazatlan
Alaska Airlines to Puerto Vallarta
Alaska Airlines to Vancouver
All Nippon Airways to Tokyo
American Airlines to Guadalajara
American Airlines to London
American Airlines to Tokyo
American Airline to Toronto
American Trans Air to Cancun
Asiana to Seoul
British Airways to London
Cathay Pacific to Hong Kong
China Airlines to Taipei
China Eastern to Shanghai
China Southern to Canton
Copa to Panama City
Delta Airlines to Mexico City
EVA Air to Taipei
Horizon Air to Calgary
JAL to Osaka
JAL to Tokyo
KLM to Amsterdam
Korean Airlines to Seoul
Korean Airlines to Tokyo
Lan Chile to Lima
LTU to Dusseldorf
Lufthansa to Frankfurt
Lufthansa to Munich
Northwest Airlines to Tokyo
Philippine Airlines to Manila
Qantas to Auckland
Qantas to Brisbaine (Commences mid 2004)
Qantas to Melbourne
Qantas to Sydney
Singapore Airlines to Singapore
Singapore Airlines to Taipei
Singapore Airlines to Tokyo
Swiss International to Zurich
TACA to San Jose
United Airlines to Guatemala City
United Airlines to London
United Airlines to Mexico City
United Airlines to Sydney
United Airlines to Tokyo
United Airlines to Toronto
United Airlines to Vancouver
Varig to Sao Paulo
Varig to Tokyo
Virgin Atlantic to London


Oakland
_______

Aero Mexico to Hermosillo
Aero Mexico to Tijuana
CorsAir to Papeete
CorsAir to Paris
MartinAir to Amsterdam
Mexicana to Guadalajara
Mexicana to Morelia
SATA to Azores, Portugal


Palm Springs
__________

WestJet to Vancouver (Commences 2004)

Sacramento
_________

Mexicana to Guadalajara


San Francisco
___________

Air Canada to Calgary
Air Canada to Montreal
Air Canada to Toronto
Air Canada to Vancouver
Air China to Shanghai
Air France to Paris
Air New Zealand to Auckland (Commences 6/2004)
Alaska Airlines to Ixtapa
Alaska Airline to Los Cabos
Alaska Airlines to Mazatlan
Alaska Airlines to Puerto Vallarta
Alaska Airlines to Vancouver
All Nippon Airways to Tokyo
Asiana Airlines to Seoul
British Airways to London
Cathay Pacific Airways to Hong Kong
China Airlines to Taipei
EVA Air to Taipei
JAL to Tokyo
KLM to Amsterdam
Korean Airlines to Seoul
Lufthansa to Frankfurt
Lufthansa to Munich
Mexicana to Guadalajara
Mexicana to Mexico City
Mexicana to Morelia
Northwest Airlines to Tokyo
Philippine Airlines to Manila
Singapore Airlines to Hong Kong
Singapore Airlines to Seoul
TACA to Guatemala City
United Airlines to Calgary
United Airline to Frankfurt
United Airlines to Hong Kong
United Airlines to London
United Airlines to Mexico City
United Airline to Osaka
United Airline to Paris
United Airlines to Seoul
United Airlines to Shanghai
United Airlines to Sydney
United Airlines to Tokyo
United Airlines to Toronto
United Airlines to Vancouver
Virgin Atlantic to London


San Diego
________
Aero Mexico to Guadalajara
Aero Mexico to Hermosillo
Aero Mexico to Los Cabos


San Jose
_______

Air Canada to Toronto
American Airlines to Tokyo
Mexicana to Guadalajara
Mexicana to Mexico City


Please forgive for any missed routes that are not mentioned above...



LHR001

[Edited 2004-02-13 06:34:35]

User currently offlineL-188 From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 29832 posts, RR: 58
Reply 19, posted (10 years 10 months 1 week 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 2966 times:

Nope, not Alaska.

We just don't have the traffic density.





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User currently offlineLhr001 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 20, posted (10 years 10 months 1 week 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 2958 times:

In addition to the above :


Los Angeles
__________

El Al to Toronto
Malaysia Airlines to Taipei
Thai Airways to Tokyo



(RUMORS)
********
San Francisco
____________

*Air Pacific to Nadi
*Alitalia to Milan
*Emirates to Dubai
*Gulf Air to Geneva
*Malaysia Airlines to Kuala Lumpur
*Orient Thai Airways to Bangkok
*Qantas to Sydney
*Thai Airways to Bangkok
*Vietnam Airlines to Hanoi



LHR001


User currently offlineSsides From United States of America, joined Feb 2001, 4059 posts, RR: 21
Reply 21, posted (10 years 10 months 1 week 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 2879 times:

I think California and Texas will be at the top. Florida would be a close third, followed by New York.

Here's a rundown of intra-Texas mainline daily (weekday) flights between each airport (i.e. both ways):

Note: MFE=McAllen/Miller International Airport; HRL=Harlingen/South Padre Island International Airport

SOUTHWEST:
DAL-HOU: 60 flights
DAL-AUS: 26 flights
DAL-SAT: 30 flights
DAL-IAH: 12 flights
DAL-ELP: 12 flights
DAL-MAF: 12 flights
DAL-AMA: 16 flights
DAL-LBB: 16 flights
HOU-AUS: 20 flights
HOU-SAT: 24 flights
HOU-MAF: 4 flights
HOU-CRP: 12 flights
HOU-ELP: 6 flights
HOU-HRL: 18 flights
SAT-HRL: 4 flights
SAT-ELP: 8 flights
AUS-HRL: 2 flights
AUS-ELP: 6 flights
AUS-MAF: 4 flights
AUS-LBB: 4 flights
Total: 296

AMERICAN:
DFW-AUS: 26 flights
DFW-SAT: 26 flights
DFW-IAH: 18 flights
DFW-ELP: 14 flights
DFW-MFE: 8 flights
AUS-HOU: 4 flights
Total: 96

CONTINENTAL:
IAH-DFW: 20 flights
IAH-AUS: 20 flights
IAH-SAT: 20 flights
IAH-ELP: 6 flights
IAH-MFE: 6 flights
Total: 72

DELTA:
None -- all DL intra-Texas flights are now RJ  Sad

TOTAL: 464 daily intra-Texas mainline flights


Please don't tempt me to find all intra-Texas flights (including regional airlines); this took long enough -- and someone else can do California!



"Lose" is not spelled with two o's!!!!
User currently offlineCaetravlr From United States of America, joined Oct 2000, 910 posts, RR: 1
Reply 22, posted (10 years 10 months 1 week 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 2863 times:

The topic is about intra-state, i.e. - from one point in the state to another in the same state. Very interesting indeed. However, I would love to see the numbers for Hawaii.


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User currently offlineLhr001 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 23, posted (10 years 10 months 1 week 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 2822 times:

Ssides:


Apologies, when I calculated the Intra-California Mainline service is was formulated using a Outbound basis... Below are the correct numbers for the state of California.

**Before:
232 Daily Intra-California Mainline Flights :Outbound
25,410 Daily Seats per average of 110 seats per mainline aircraft

**Corrected:
464 Daily Intra California Mainline Flights : Outbound/Return
50,820 Daily Seats per average of 110 seats per mainline aircraft

Not taken into effect is United Airlines very common substitution use of the 747-400, 777-200, and 767-300 on routes between San Francisco and Los Angeles markets!

After reviewing your post in regards to the markets and frequencies.. It was most clear that you intended the figures on an outbound and return frequency.. made very clear as to the fact that Southwest Airlines offers 30 flights per day DAL to HOU, and 30 flights per day HOU to DAL.. That is how you equated the 60 Flights per day in that market share..



LHR001

[Edited 2004-02-13 21:39:24]

User currently offlineSsides From United States of America, joined Feb 2001, 4059 posts, RR: 21
Reply 24, posted (10 years 10 months 1 week 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 2811 times:

LHR001 --

Interesting that both California and Texas seem to have the exact same number of intra-state mainline flighs. I have no doubt, however, that California offers more seats! Unfortunately, we're not going to see 767s at MAF, LBB or AMA anytime soon!



"Lose" is not spelled with two o's!!!!
25 Lhr001 : SSides If I am not mistaken ..... Pan Am used to use a L1011 from San Antonio to Houston... American Airlines used to use a DC-10 from Dallas to Houst
26 Ssides : I think you're right, LHR001. LH didn't have rights to fly passengers DFW-IAH, I don't think; the flight was simply a continuation. It used to run dai
27 Lhr001 : In the past California has had the following services as well: American Airlines (Mainline) Sacramento to Los Angeles Sacramento to Ornage County Sacr
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