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Whoa - Boeing And France Together Working On 7E7?  
User currently offlineBoeing nut From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (10 years 8 months 1 week 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 3578 times:

Well, kinda sorta, but still an interesting developement.

http://www.boeing.com/news/releases/2004/q1/nr_040212g.html

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User currently offlineRick767 From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2000, 2662 posts, RR: 51
Reply 1, posted (10 years 8 months 1 week 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 3530 times:

What, just like a lot of the Airbus family of aircraft is made by the Americans and just like a lot of the Boeing family is made by us Europeans?

Aircraft manufacturing is a truly global industry, just because the 7E7 will be assembled in the USA, the majority of it's components will be made abroad.

Just like a great proportion of the Airbus is made in the states...



I used to love the smell of Jet-A in the morning...
User currently offlineANA From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2004, 294 posts, RR: 1
Reply 2, posted (10 years 8 months 1 week 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 3446 times:

What proportion of an Airbus is made in the US?

Anders


User currently offlineMITaero From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 497 posts, RR: 8
Reply 3, posted (10 years 8 months 1 week 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 3440 times:

Someone just posted this yesterday.

a) We already used Dassault software.

b) Who gives a sh*t whether they're French or not. I didn't even think about it until people started pointing it out.


User currently offlineJETSTAR From United States of America, joined May 2003, 1650 posts, RR: 10
Reply 4, posted (10 years 8 months 1 week 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 3422 times:
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Dassault Aviation in France, a privately owned company which makes the Falcon line of business jets was the first aircraft manufacturer to design and build an airplane strictly by computer. This eliminated all paper blueprints and documents and allowed all the different engineers to fully integrate their work without conflicts. Dassault designed their own software, called CITIA for this and have been marketing it under license to other manufactures.

Boeing designed the 777 using a highly modified version of this software and the results were fantastic. This software also allows engineers to design maintenance friendly systems so the mechanics can reach the components for removal or service with as little effort as possible.


User currently offlineJGPH1A From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (10 years 8 months 1 week 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 3413 times:

Is Dassault privately owned ? I thought the Government had a stake - at least they used to.

User currently offlineBoeing nut From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (10 years 8 months 1 week 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 3368 times:

Rick767,

You're right, I didn't look at it that way. I just saw the story and it got my attention because Dassault is pretty big in aviation.


User currently offlineJETSTAR From United States of America, joined May 2003, 1650 posts, RR: 10
Reply 7, posted (10 years 8 months 1 week 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 3340 times:
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What proportion of an Airbus is made in the US?

If the engines are P & W or GE, it could be a large precentage of an Airbus is US made, depending on the model.

While the aircraft structure is made in Europe, the engines, avionics, APU, electrical systems, hydraulics and wheels and brakes can be from the US.

The Airbus A-380 has a sizable amount of US made components.


User currently offlineJBirdAV8r From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 4491 posts, RR: 21
Reply 8, posted (10 years 8 months 1 week 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 3331 times:

Dassault designed their own software, called CITIA for this and have been marketing it under license to other manufactures.

It's actually CATIA and I think IBM had a hand in it as well as Dassault(?)



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User currently offlineRick767 From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2000, 2662 posts, RR: 51
Reply 9, posted (10 years 8 months 1 week 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 3295 times:

"What proportion of an Airbus is made in the US?"

Airbus spends some 40 percent of its procurement budget with American suppliers. Hundreds of companies in more than 40 U.S. states produce hardware for Airbus, ranging from engines to window glass.



I used to love the smell of Jet-A in the morning...
User currently offlineCol From Malaysia, joined Nov 2003, 2122 posts, RR: 22
Reply 10, posted (10 years 8 months 1 week 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 3212 times:

Airbus should try to make more in US, rather than trying to push Japan to buy their aircraft with manufacture agreements. The USA want and buy the product the Japanese are happy to buy older Boeings, send it this way!!

User currently offlineMD-90 From United States of America, joined Jan 2000, 8508 posts, RR: 12
Reply 11, posted (10 years 8 months 1 week 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 3181 times:

Boeing's using CATIA right now, and McDonnell Douglas used Unigraphics (which I've learned some of the basics of). No clue what Airbus uses.

User currently offlineAApilot2b From United States of America, joined Nov 2000, 572 posts, RR: 1
Reply 12, posted (10 years 8 months 1 week 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 3105 times:

This is actually old news. N'or is it odd. There are many alliances between American and French companies and Boeing has been doing this for years.

User currently offlineBoeing nut From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 13, posted (10 years 8 months 1 week 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 3078 times:

Hmm, with all these posts, I'm discovering I'm waay behind.

Just goes to prove you can actually learn a lot from A.net!!

[Edited 2004-02-13 18:54:01]

User currently offlineAviationfreak From Netherlands, joined Nov 2003, 1166 posts, RR: 40
Reply 14, posted (10 years 8 months 1 week 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 3050 times:

Correct me if I'm wrong. But isn't Dassault also involved in the Airbus consortium? Isn't this a strange development then?


I love both Airbus and Boeing as much as I love aviation!
User currently offlineGigneil From United States of America, joined Nov 2002, 16347 posts, RR: 85
Reply 15, posted (10 years 8 months 1 week 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 2935 times:

Airbus uses something very similar to CATIA, but for the Sun Solaris platform.

Boeing sticks with IBM for big power.

N


User currently offlineRIX From United States of America, joined Aug 2000, 1787 posts, RR: 1
Reply 16, posted (10 years 8 months 1 week 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 2835 times:

"7E7 will be assembled in the USA" - not only assembled. Boeing aircraft are designed/developed in the US. Same as Airbus in Europe. But even this stage may use something (software, ...) "from the other side". So, absolutely, "aircraft manufacturing is a truly global industry". Which is great.

User currently offlineConcordeBoy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 17, posted (10 years 8 months 1 week 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 2761 times:

It's actually CATIA

....bingo. Computer Aided Three-dimensional Interactive Application

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User currently offlineEg777er From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2000, 1837 posts, RR: 14
Reply 18, posted (10 years 8 months 1 week 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 2706 times:

I think it's a nefarious plot by the dastardly French in order to corrupt and ultimately destroy the American aviation industry!

Resist the cheese-eating surrender monkeys!

GO USA!!!!


User currently offlineKorg747 From United States of America, joined Mar 2003, 549 posts, RR: 5
Reply 19, posted (10 years 8 months 1 week 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 2659 times:

"Resist the cheese-eating surrender monkeys!"

Ahhh the power of cheese  Big grin



Please excuse my English!
User currently offlinePhxinterrupted From United States of America, joined Apr 2002, 474 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (10 years 8 months 1 week 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 2576 times:

"Resist the cheese-eating surrender monkeys!"

LMAO!



Keepin' it real.
User currently offlineJGPH1A From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 21, posted (10 years 8 months 1 week 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 2564 times:

Re: I think it's a nefarious plot by the dastardly French in order to corrupt and ultimately destroy the American aviation industry!

Ooops - too late. I think Airbus already did.

(hides under table for fear of flames)  Smile/happy/getting dizzy


User currently offlinePlanemaker From Tuvalu, joined Aug 2003, 6239 posts, RR: 34
Reply 22, posted (10 years 8 months 1 week 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 2448 times:

"7E7 will be assembled in the USA" - not only assembled. Boeing aircraft are designed/developed in the US.

Nope, the wings are going to be designed, developed and built by MHI.



Nationalism is an infantile disease. It is the measles of mankind. - A. Einstein
User currently offlineRayChuang From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 8018 posts, RR: 5
Reply 23, posted (10 years 8 months 1 week 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 2336 times:

What's interesting is that AF buying the medium-range standard-fuselage version of the 7E7 isn't such a far-fetched idea.

The reason is simple: AF needs a new widebody airliner smaller than the A330-300 for intra-European routes, and given that Airbus won't produce a true A310/A300B4 replacement for quite some time, the airline will turn to Boeing for the 7E7 just like AF bought 24 777-200ER's for CDG to South America flights.


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