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What Will The New Iraqi Airways Look Like?  
User currently offlineMEA321 From Lebanon, joined Oct 2003, 389 posts, RR: 16
Posted (10 years 2 months 1 week 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 6865 times:

In the past Iraqi Airways was operating old 727s, 737s, 747s, and some Russian aircraft.


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Does anyone think that the New Iraqi Airways will be made up of new 777s, 747s, and 737s? Or maybe A320s, A330s, and A340s?

Please everyone lets try to keep politics out of this one. Im sure that most people might THINK that America might try to pursue its own interests and forge a fleet of Boeing aircraft in Iraq, similar to Saudia and EL AL. However, I think that Iraqi Airways will follow the schema set out by other Middle East carriers such as Royal Jordanian, Middle East (MEA), Qatar Airways, and Emirates and operate a fleet of Airbus aircraft.


MEA321
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User currently offlineMt99 From United States of America, joined May 1999, 6546 posts, RR: 6
Reply 1, posted (10 years 2 months 1 week 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 6841 times:
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Launch costumer of the 7E7?

Perfectly suited for them.. long routes.. not to big.. not to small



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User currently offlineAirbusfanYYZ From Canada, joined Oct 2002, 1431 posts, RR: 26
Reply 2, posted (10 years 2 months 1 week 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 6792 times:

Unless someone donated some planes to them like IC did to Ariana Afghan I don't think they'll be flying anything...
If they did have some money it would make more sense to buy some ex-AA 727s or early production 320s.

Cheers,
Kaz



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User currently offlineB747-437B From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (10 years 2 months 1 week 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 6768 times:

Unless someone donated some planes to them like IC did to Ariana Afghan

IC gave Ariana Afghan nothing.

The 3 A300-B4s were all Air India airframes. AI also provided crew, spares and training support for 18 months.



User currently onlineMaverickM11 From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 16948 posts, RR: 48
Reply 4, posted (10 years 2 months 1 week 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 6712 times:

The future Iraqi Airways will look alot like Ariana Afghan...at least in the near future.


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User currently offlineDeltaMD11 From United States of America, joined Dec 2002, 1701 posts, RR: 35
Reply 5, posted (10 years 2 months 1 week 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 6710 times:

Well there is a dearth of 737's and 727's sitting out in the desert right now that should be up there and not down here. Instead of meeting the cutters torch, they could be given a new lease on life relatively cheaply.


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User currently offlineEZYAirbus From United Kingdom, joined Sep 2003, 2458 posts, RR: 52
Reply 6, posted (10 years 2 months 1 week 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 6694 times:

they will receive 10 747-400ER with wing mounted missiles and riot shields over windscreens, also will be able to deploy heat seeking missile destractors!  Smile

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User currently offlineBobrayner From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2003, 2227 posts, RR: 7
Reply 7, posted (10 years 2 months 1 week 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 6603 times:

Launch costumer of the 7E7?

Perfectly suited for them.. long routes.. not to big.. not to small


...and expensive.



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User currently offlineDanny From Poland, joined Apr 2002, 3505 posts, RR: 2
Reply 8, posted (10 years 2 months 1 week 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 6585 times:

"Launch costumer of the 7E7?

Perfectly suited for them.. long routes.. not to big.. not to small

...and expensive."


Doesn't matter - American taxpayers will fund that.


User currently offlineMd11lover From Switzerland, joined Oct 2003, 444 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (10 years 2 months 1 week 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 6537 times:



EZYAirbus....LOL

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User currently offlineAirbusfanYYZ From Canada, joined Oct 2002, 1431 posts, RR: 26
Reply 10, posted (10 years 2 months 1 week 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 6514 times:

My mistake, you are right Sean it was AI and not IC.

Cheers,
Kaz



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User currently offlineJGPH1A From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (10 years 2 months 1 week 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 6409 times:

I hope they keep the old c/s at least - it would look great on an A320. Possibly Spain will donate some of IB's old clapped out 320's.

User currently offlineBobrayner From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2003, 2227 posts, RR: 7
Reply 12, posted (10 years 2 months 1 week 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 6318 times:

Possibly Spain will donate some of IB's old clapped out 320's.

1. Donating airliners is hardly an effective form of foreign aid, unless your main intention is to support the aircraft manufacturer. It would be better for Iraq - and the donor - to sell any putative aircraft on the open market, and use the proceeds to buy things that Iraqis actually need.

2. IB's aircraft belong to IB, not to Spain. IB is not a major foreign aid donor.



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User currently offlineJGPH1A From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 13, posted (10 years 2 months 1 week 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 6270 times:

The theory being that IB will want to replace said clapped out 320's with new shiny ones, and will sell them to the Spanish goverment (that well know philanthropic enterprise) for threepence ha'penny worth of euros, being as they are clapped out and have no monetary value. Spain will donate them to Iraq.

User currently offlineMEA321 From Lebanon, joined Oct 2003, 389 posts, RR: 16
Reply 14, posted (10 years 2 months 1 week 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 6195 times:

Does anyone have information on the status of the Iraqi Airways aircraft's whereabouts? Are they still in Baghdad, or dispersed around countries?

There are definitely a few in Amman and Damascus...Anywhere else?




MEA321
User currently offlineUniTED From Germany, joined Jan 2004, 312 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (10 years 2 months 1 week 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 6154 times:

aren't we forgetting a possibility???


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User currently offlineYegbey01 From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 1721 posts, RR: 3
Reply 16, posted (10 years 2 months 1 week 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 6120 times:

Currently, there are some disputes between Iraq and Syria and Jordan regarding the planes. Iraqis are accusing them for using them.

Syria and Jordan want to get paid for parking fees. right now it looks like all aircraft will be sent to the scrapyard as t costs so much to restore them.



User currently offlineGraham697 From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 350 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (10 years 2 months 1 week 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 6106 times:

Well, since our dumb President is making us tax payers in the US pay for it. It will be an all Boeing Fleet, at least it will give Boeing a few orders. Hopefully, 717!



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User currently offlineYanksn4 From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 1403 posts, RR: 12
Reply 18, posted (10 years 2 months 1 week 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 6083 times:

Don't turn this into something political, Graham697! If you had read the opening post you probably would have known this.


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User currently offlineYegbey01 From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 1721 posts, RR: 3
Reply 19, posted (10 years 2 months 1 week 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 6010 times:

I agree this should not be turned into a political thread, but what will the Iraqi Airways look like if wwe don;t talk about the makeup of their fleet. And politics is always a big part of these decisions. Any remembers the recent Taiwan order... split between Boeing and Airbus even though the management wanted to go with an all Airbus fleet

My take is this, in spite of all the money that the US governemnt is poring into Iraq, the Iraqis (if they had the ultimate choice) will go with Airbus.

It's true that the French are our right now, but deep down inside, most Iraqis would prefer to work with the French and the Germans.

The French and th egermans are "PERCEIVED" to be pro-Arabs. And anyone who works in the marketing business knows that perception is everything.

Just my two canadian cents!

jay


User currently offlineCPH-R From Denmark, joined May 2001, 5911 posts, RR: 3
Reply 20, posted (10 years 2 months 1 week 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 5988 times:

Don't forget that Airbus have an order from them in the order books, who they want Iraqi Airways to accept (some A310's I think it was).

I think that it's going to take quite a while before they can take to the skies, as the situation needs to quiet down. Would be quite a PR disaster if the first flight was shot down by x number of SAM missiles, eh?


User currently offlineFlying-Tiger From Germany, joined Aug 1999, 4150 posts, RR: 37
Reply 21, posted (10 years 2 months 1 week 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 5910 times:

Well - I suppose a small number of say 180-seaters is absolutely sufficient for the beginning. Remember, many people simply don´t have the money to afford a flight. Thus the number of passengers will be quite low, and foreign routes will be mostly served by foreign carriers, for sure not Iraqi Airways.

Domestic services will be the domain of Iraqi Airways, and here I think B737-200 sized planes for the trunk routes are sufficient, for the others turboprops are a decent fit, both a combination of Dash 8-Q300/400 or ATR42/72 would work - but all depending on who is financing the fleet.

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User currently offlineAviationfreak From Netherlands, joined Nov 2003, 1166 posts, RR: 42
Reply 22, posted (10 years 2 months 1 week 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 5832 times:

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User currently offlineKalakaua From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 1516 posts, RR: 5
Reply 23, posted (10 years 2 months 1 week 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 5788 times:

I think it's impossible to avoid politics when discussing this subject... Stop this pretty airline crap, and put some common sense into it... Politics will decide Iraqi Airways's fate. And Aviationfreak, you're not funny at all.


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User currently offlineAdvancedkid From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 762 posts, RR: 2
Reply 24, posted (10 years 2 months 1 week 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 5719 times:

I could imagine Iraqi Airways
flying a fleet of B737NG's
and B777's and new destinations
such as Washington, London,
Tel-Aviv. Of course there wil be
flights to neighboring Gulf States
and Saudi as well as Cairo, Istanbul,
etc.

regards,

Adv.


25 Codeshare : As somebody mentioned: perhas the 7E7 for them? It'll probably look like an order similar to that of PIA: a few 777s and probably 737 NG for the short
26 Phaeton : That picture up there showed a Boeing 727. This means that the Americans destroyed one of their own planes.
27 AirGabon : "...and new destinations such as Washington, London, Tel-Aviv." HaHa !! Why not a direct flight Baghdad-Tehran-Damascus-Tel Aviv with a B773ER ???
28 Motorhussy : Mahalo Kalakaua I agree, politics will play its part. There will be a Boeing fleet. There will be favorable but binding American finance agreements. T
29 Post contains links Rob2507 : US developing plan for Iraqi airline Restoring service under new carrier focus of proposal By Stephen J. Glain and Ross Kerber, Globe Staff, 2/14/2004
30 Ushermittwoch : With all that oil they have they could just pay Boeing with a few barrels. Oh wait, that oil is being used "for the good of the Iraqi people"... And s
31 Rutankrd : Reasonable post Iraq Airlines most likely back in the skys' circa 2005. Aircraft types almost certainly US or how about even a few BAe146/RJ me thinks
32 Post contains images A340600 : When was Iraqi Airways last flight Cheers Sam
33 Post contains links and images Jaspike : Hopefully they'd get a new livery - maybe something like this... http://www.cardatabase.net/modifiedairlinerphotos/search/photo_search.php?id=00000235
34 TwinPioneer : I am not trying to be contentious but, if Iraq should get their fleet up and running again, I think it will go to Boeing, unfortunately. When I say un
35 STT757 : US developing plan for Iraqi airline Restoring service under new carrier focus of proposal By Stephen J. Glain and Ross Kerber, Globe Staff, 2/14/2004
36 STT757 : Key points from the previous article: "Iraqi Airways has been effectively grounded since Hussein's invasion of Kuwait in 1990 and the United Nations e
37 Yegbey01 : Rutankrd . The US can't tell people where they shoudl fly. Right now, there's so much business between Lebanese companies and Iraqis. it's not what th
38 MEA321 : The US can't tell people where they should fly... I wish this was as easy as said, but the cold hard fact is that the U.S. is telling people where to
39 Rutankrd : Yegbey absolutely the US WILL determine where the new Iraq Airlines can fly to . The WILL effectively own it after all! The US WILL also determine who
40 YYZUla : The US has too much influence on other airliners. I think that the new government when it comes into power should decide these kind of things or someo
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