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L-1011 At MDW  
User currently offlineFlyingchoirboy From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 282 posts, RR: 5
Posted (10 years 9 months 2 weeks 6 days ago) and read 4882 times:
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A few years ago I spotted an ATA L-1011 at MDW. I was younger then, and i might have seen another aircraft that was similar in size to the L-1011. Is it possible to fly an L-1011 into MDW? What is the biggest aircraft that can operate into MDW?

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User currently offlineIsitsafenow From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 4984 posts, RR: 23
Reply 1, posted (10 years 9 months 2 weeks 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 4773 times:

Back in the late 70's or early 80's, I forget which, United dropped a DC 10 into MDW for a show-and-tell with personal relations(a little P.R.). It was there a few hours then flew back to ORD. I have some magazine photos of it around someplace. I do remember it was on a Saturday because a lot of people from the South Side came to see the big birdie.


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User currently offlinePIA777 From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 1738 posts, RR: 6
Reply 2, posted (10 years 9 months 2 weeks 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 4636 times:

I read once that a 757-300 is largest plane allowed to operate out of
MDW.

PIA777



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User currently offlineThrust From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 2690 posts, RR: 10
Reply 3, posted (10 years 9 months 2 weeks 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 4617 times:

An L1011 at MDW? Wow. That is a rare one in a lifetime. The biggest aircraft I ever flew into MDW was an SWA 737-300. That was also the only type of plane I ever flew to MDW Big grin


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User currently offlineFedExIndy From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 77 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (10 years 9 months 2 weeks 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 4532 times:

It could've been there. Although it would've had to operate empty. I've seen L1011's take off at IND empty and use very little runway.

User currently offlineTjwgrr From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 2494 posts, RR: 2
Reply 5, posted (10 years 9 months 2 weeks 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 4440 times:

I remember a magazine called Airliners International from the 70's doing an article and photo shoot of an event at MDW where both a DC-10 and an A300 were brought in for public viewing/ tours. Don't ask me details.... that was a long time ago.  Smile/happy/getting dizzy


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User currently offlineB757capt From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 1407 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (10 years 9 months 2 weeks 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 4319 times:

WOW an L1011 at MDW. the city right now says the largest aircraft permitted is a 753. BUT the National Guard brings a C-5 in about 2 twice a year, for the Army guard unit @ KMDW. I would really like to see the Dc-10 thing about UAL I need to see it before I'll belive it. Remember folks we are talking about an airport that has 5400 feet usable landing runway vs. ORD with 13100 feet. THATS MORE THAN DOUBLE.

b757capt



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User currently offlineUNN1011 From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 23 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (10 years 9 months 2 weeks 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 4247 times:

The L10 at MDW is definitely possible...once at MSP a few years ago I watched NWA's B747-151 (N601US) depart on a charter to GRB from runway 30L, and the jumbo only required a takeoff run of 3,200 feet!!!

User currently offlineAlitaliaORD From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 242 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (10 years 9 months 2 weeks 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 4221 times:

.......and then NW can resume Chicago-Tokyo service with a DC-10 from MDW!


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User currently offlineSSTjumbo From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (10 years 9 months 2 weeks 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 4077 times:

B757capt, you sure about the C-5's flying into MDW? I live within about four or five miles of MDW under the landing path and haven't seen a C-5 operating around. I've seen a couple of C-130's going in and out of there and maybe a DC-8 flying in the vicinity of MDW, but never a C-5. The residents around there b!+c# enough about noise coming from every other plane (like that shouldn't exist around airports  Yeah sure, gotta love people's common sense), so I highly doubt King Daley would be in favor of letting a C-5 in there.

User currently offlineATA L1011 From United States of America, joined Feb 2001, 1388 posts, RR: 6
Reply 10, posted (10 years 9 months 2 weeks 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 4032 times:

The widebodies perform well when their is not virtually any load, start adding load that changes. I dont recall or anyone here recalls us sending an L1011 to MDW although 5,400 is quite short to stop a L1011 or any widebody.


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User currently offlineIMisspiedmont From United States of America, joined May 2001, 6332 posts, RR: 33
Reply 11, posted (10 years 9 months 2 weeks 5 days ago) and read 3961 times:

Tjwgrr, a long time ago it was but I have every copy of that publication to this day. It was only the A300.

I have quite a few FAA airport movement records buried in this mess I call home and have never seen mention of DC-10s or L-1011s into MDW. I might also add that runway length is not the only factor, though 6000' is quite enough for any empty aircraft.



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User currently offlineB757capt From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 1407 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (10 years 9 months 2 weeks 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 3890 times:

Positive about the C-5 Captain Mike Benson USAF. 1999 November 17th. I've got all the info infront of me. If you ever get a chance go into the office for the AANG on 63rd and Central and you can see all the cool pictures on the walls.


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User currently offlineSllevin From United States of America, joined Jan 2002, 3376 posts, RR: 6
Reply 13, posted (10 years 9 months 2 weeks 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 3835 times:

There must have been exemptions for any of the widebodies to operate at MDW, since the max runway weights for double tandem wheels is 250,000, which is just about the EMPTY weight for an L-1011 or DC-10. With minimal fuel, they clearly would have been 30-50 thousand pounds over that limitation.

Steve


User currently offlineUSAIRWAYS321 From United States of America, joined Jul 2001, 1848 posts, RR: 9
Reply 14, posted (10 years 9 months 2 weeks 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 3815 times:

When i was connecting on ATA on December 2003 an L-1011 pulled up to the gate next to the 738 I was on, so they do it every once in a while.

User currently offlineMaiznblu_757 From United States of America, joined Mar 2002, 5112 posts, RR: 50
Reply 15, posted (10 years 9 months 2 weeks 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 3804 times:

C5's use much less runway than an L1011... Burke Lakefront gets one for the airshow, 6000ft runway there.



User currently offlineTjwgrr From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 2494 posts, RR: 2
Reply 16, posted (10 years 9 months 2 weeks 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 3767 times:

"Tjwgrr, a long time ago it was but I have every copy of that publication to this day. It was only the A300.

I have quite a few FAA airport movement records buried in this mess I call home and have never seen mention of DC-10s or L-1011s into MDW. I might also add that runway length is not the only factor, though 6000' is quite enough for any empty aircraft."


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Thanks for the correction- memory is only one of the things that gets shorter with age.  Smile/happy/getting dizzy I wish I still had copies of all those old magazines! Would be cool to see those photos again!



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User currently offlineVC745D From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 214 posts, RR: 1
Reply 17, posted (10 years 9 months 2 weeks 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 3675 times:

I seem to remember that UA brought a DC861 into MDW once, for an air show.

User currently offlineSSTjumbo From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 18, posted (10 years 9 months 2 weeks 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 3606 times:

I wonder if there's any pictures on A.net of anything wider than six rows, I'll have to check that out.

User currently offlineAir1727 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 19, posted (10 years 9 months 2 weeks 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 3518 times:

American Trans Air never flew an L-1011 into Midway...ever. Numbers have been looked at by ATA to see if its feasible, and it is possible, but it has never been attempted. Not only is it a tight roll, the parking is the largest problem. But, no, no L-1011 has ever flown into Midway. I have read many accounts of it, but it is false.

User currently offlineRb211 From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 632 posts, RR: 3
Reply 20, posted (10 years 9 months 2 weeks 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 3412 times:

Man, that would be about as memorable as a 744 at Washington National!


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User currently offlineAccess-Air From United States of America, joined Sep 2000, 1939 posts, RR: 13
Reply 21, posted (10 years 9 months 2 weeks 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 3346 times:

Yes that is exactly right .....It was not a DC10...It was a DC8-61 of United Air Lines.......To quote the magazine... The captain of the DC8 was asked how he managed to geta "Stretched 8" into Midway and he said.. "Very carefully."
Airbus also brought in the prototype A300 for a demo...I have the article in an old Magazine from the 70s called Airliners International.

I too had heard from someone that they allegedly saw an ATA L1011 at MDW although its entirely possible, I am not sure that the runways are stressed for such a heavy bird.
Our airport here in Sterling/Rock Falls is long enuff to handle a 727-200 but its only stressed for a DC9-30....and When Ronald Reagan chartered his Orange Flying Colours 727-095 in here back in 1980 (see my picture of this bird elsewhere in this site) they thought the weight of the 727 would crumble the runway.
So unless I see an actual photo of an L1011 at MDW.....I am not convinced...
especially if the sighting was made by some one that doesn't know a DC10 from a VC-10.
The largest I have seen ever fly in there is the 757-300 of ATA....PERIOD.

Access-Air



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User currently offlineB757capt From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 1407 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (10 years 9 months 2 weeks 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 3227 times:

Access-Air

sir you hit the nail on the head. I couldn't say it much better!



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User currently offlineSSTjumbo From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 23, posted (10 years 9 months 2 weeks 3 days ago) and read 3107 times:

Damn Access, I flew out there on my first solo cross country, I didn't know anyone on A.net is from out there!

Anyways, with my experience at Whiteside Co. I can say that is a monster main runway and taxiway they have out there for an uncontrolled corporate airport (compare to KLOT, and we get things the size of CRJ's and Global Expresses). However, It has to be a tight fit on the ramp for a DC-9 to park there on a busy weekend it would seem. When we had NASCAR weekend and every racer brought out their jet, they had to park a Brasilia next to the school's 737-200 all the way across the field because ramp space was so limited.


Anyways, back on the subject, I checked the stats and MDW's runways can handle much more weight than SNA's runways, and FedEx A310's and occasionally A300's fly out of there all the time, though to I don't know where, so a widebody at MDW can't be fully out of the question, just try telling the cry-wolf-over-the-noise-pollution brats bordering the field and his royal highness King Daley that it's possible, that'll be pretty hard.


User currently offlineATA L1011 From United States of America, joined Feb 2001, 1388 posts, RR: 6
Reply 24, posted (10 years 9 months 2 weeks 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 3061 times:

Talked to many of our L1011 Pilots and logstics people, and they say that they have nothing in the records showing a L1011 at MDW.


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25 Bobs89irocz : SSTjumbo- You soloed at Whiteside Co.? I fly out of Shaumburg and hear guys on the CTAF flying in and out of Whiteside all the time. If flown over SQI
26 Ejmdwfan : I lived under the approach to MDW 4R for 28 years and I can never remember seeing anything larger land at Midway other then 737,727,DC9/MD 80 and 757.
27 7574EVER : "Doesnt seem like Daley would EVER allow that, expecially now. If closed down Meigs for safty conserns im sure he wont let an L1011 come in to MDW." -
28 Maiznblu_757 : Man, that would be about as memorable as a 744 at Washington National! DCA did have a UAL DC10 divert there, sometime in the late 90's early 00's.
29 Cicadajet : A Starlifter landing at MDW is just as significant as a Galaxy I would think.
30 7574EVER : STARLIFTER...THAT'S IT!!!!! Thanks Cicadajet!!! I've been trying to think of its name all day.
31 ORDnDFW777 : When UA donated a 727-100 to the Field Museum of Chicago, it landed at CGX and was towed across Lake Shore Drive. I'm trying to find the pictures to p
32 SSTjumbo : Also, C-130's used to practice at Meigs in case of a crisis that would involve the need to transport massive amounts of people or haul in large amount
33 B757capt : 7574ever, Better know as Captain. W...... Listen chief we have been friends for years. Don't doubt the C-5 @ MDW I have pictures and there signed by t
34 Kiwiair727TPA : ORDnDFW777 I know its off subject but the 727 is at the museum of science and Industry, I go visit my friends every year and make sure I see the 727 s
35 IMissPiedmont : You could, B757capt. It's not very expensive to have a photo digitized. It would be unique enough in my opinion to be accepted on this site. But yes,
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