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Ryanair To Cut Reclining Seats, Window Blinds.....  
User currently offlineSingapore_Air From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2000, 13735 posts, RR: 19
Posted (10 years 2 months 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 14195 times:

Ryanair 'to cut frills further'

Ryanair is taking the "no-frills" concept a stage further - by ordering a fleet of planes without reclining seats or window blinds, it is reported.
The Sunday Times says the budget airline hopes to make savings of more than £1.3m a year by removing all remaining "non-essential" items.

In the long-term, says the paper, the firm hopes to go further by making all passengers carry on their luggage.

This could save the firm 20% of costs, said chief executive Michael O'Leary.

"Think about it. People are happy to carry a bag onto buses so why not onto airlines? It could be revolutionary," the paper quoted him as saying.

"Most of the space in airports is devoted to baggage handling. It's not just a question of staff. It would mean smaller airports, simpler facilities and lower charges."

The Sunday Times has calculated the money Ryanair could save with the stripped-down fleet:

By using non-adjustable seats, it would save about £1.3m a year in repair bills to the reclining type

Removing window blinds would save about £130,000

Removing Velcro headrests and replacing them with ones paid for by advertisers could save £100,000 - and earn the same

Ditching seat pockets would reduce cleaning costs, and shorten the plane's turnaround times.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/3489761.stm


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User currently offlinePilottim747 From United States of America, joined Jul 2001, 1607 posts, RR: 5
Reply 1, posted (10 years 2 months 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 14116 times:

Oh my. I can't say I'd like to be on those flights. I'd rather pay the little bit extra and get at least the basics. Beverage service I could do without, but seat pockets and window shades? All carry-on luggage? This sounds like a nightmare.

pilottim747



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User currently offlineJobalas From France, joined Mar 2001, 146 posts, RR: 2
Reply 2, posted (10 years 2 months 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 14095 times:

later it will be an aircraft without cockpit!!!! I don't believe it, I think it 's a shame but it's my opinion. I prefer to pay a little bit more but with a little comfort. What do you think about that?


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User currently offlineNdebele From Germany, joined Apr 2001, 2898 posts, RR: 23
Reply 3, posted (10 years 2 months 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 14062 times:

I don't care too much about reclining seats on a flight less than two hours, and I have never lowered the window shades. If it really saves them so much money - why not?

But taking everything as a carry-on? Have you ever been on a full Ryanair flight? Already now, the large 738 overhead bins are not enough to take all the carry-ons, cabin space is limited - especially when you have a Ryanair Y189 configuration. This would never work, and you can say that Ryanair is ignorant and unfriendly, but they are not stupid, they will (hopefully) realize that this carry-on thing won't work.


User currently offlineFlyinghighboy From Australia, joined Aug 2001, 749 posts, RR: 1
Reply 4, posted (10 years 2 months 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 14053 times:

i've always wondered why they don't put more ads on the planes. It may annoy people but with cheap airfares they'll still keep coming back. However carrying the luggage onboard, forget about that one.

User currently offlineJohnnybgoode From Germany, joined Jan 2001, 2187 posts, RR: 6
Reply 5, posted (10 years 2 months 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 14019 times:

as much as i have enjoyed their "value for money" so far, i always thought FR could just get better. but obviously, they still can get worse.

lots of people that haven't flown before won´t notice and might not care, but i´m sure lots of travelers that used other airlines before won´t come back as easily in the future if there are much better alternatives such as germanwings, easyjet, HLX and others...

the thing is, no-frills or not, FR does really not to seem to care about their customers.

cheers
daniel



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User currently offlinePettersa From Norway, joined Feb 2004, 8 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (10 years 2 months 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 13962 times:

Removal of the reclining seats is quite good in my opinion - there is not a lot of things that are more irritating when sitting in a crowded plane with not too much space between the seats, and then in addition the person in front of you insists on placing his seat in your lap for the entire flight.
And in addition, the RYR flights normally don't last more than a couple of hours, so then you don't really have to be bugging the person in the seatrow behind you, do you?


User currently offlineDC-10 Levo From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2001, 3432 posts, RR: 5
Reply 7, posted (10 years 2 months 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 13922 times:

Well I never use the reclining seat anyway. I just leave it in the position it is in when I get onboard so I wouldn't be affected by that. It's really annoying when someone in front reclines their seat on a crowded flight. I don't really touch the window blinds either.

Carrying on luggage onboard just seems silly.

DC-10


User currently offlineNdebele From Germany, joined Apr 2001, 2898 posts, RR: 23
Reply 8, posted (10 years 2 months 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 13886 times:

One thing I forgot:

Ditching seat pockets would reduce cleaning costs, and shorten the plane's turnaround times.
Oh come on, don't tell me that they spend much time in cleaning the aircraft, leave alone the seat pockets. Cleaning seems to be done only during night-stop of the aircraft, the cabins on evening flights are quite dirty, if they ditch the seat pockets, people will throw their waste on the floor, so it doesn't make much of a difference.
But it's not only Ryanair, I had to laugh when I was on a bmiBaby flight, the cabin was quite dirty, I didn't care too much but I had to laugh when the f/a proudly told everybody that she did the cleaning of the cabin on her own.


User currently offlineUdo From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (10 years 2 months 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 13839 times:

If Ryanair wants to shoot itself, well I don't care. I would never ever book an airline which forces me to carry my suitcase personally to the aircraft.

It's nice we have so many LCCs out there which offer better service than Ryanair...and it's still possible to offer low fares and good products, just look at jetBlue, Soutwest, germanwings or HLX. I have tried out all of them and all of them were better than Ryanair.

What's next? Removing all seats like in city busses? Maybe O'Leary needs to see a doctor immediately...


Regards
Udo


User currently offlinePe@rson From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2001, 19097 posts, RR: 53
Reply 10, posted (10 years 2 months 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 13793 times:

Well done MOL! You're a superb businessman, and can reduce your costs considerably. You're an extremely clever man and one with steel balls.

PEOPLExpress used to make all passengers with check-in luggage pay $7 per bag. The airline provided larger overhead bins onboard the aircraft to store more luggage in. If you did away with the larger bins and made people pay (£5 per hold bag?), it'd be a nice little earner.

Again, congrats to MOL for further increasing his airline's efficiency.

If people here and the general public don't like the changes - they have a choice and can fly a different airline. That's the joy about it.  Smile



"Everyone writing for the Telegraph knows that the way to grab eyeballs is with Ryanair and/or sex."
User currently offlineTrent900 From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2003, 515 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (10 years 2 months 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 13768 times:

How can FR get passengers to carry on their own luggage? Once its checked in it would be impossible for the passengers to retreave their case and then carry it to the aircraft. This would be a serious security breach.

And getting rid of the seat pockets? Not sure about that. Where would the safty cards and sick bags be kept? Unless they're removing the carpets as well so its just a wash down floor.  Nuts

Trent.


User currently offlinePe@rson From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2001, 19097 posts, RR: 53
Reply 12, posted (10 years 2 months 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 13755 times:

"Where would the safty cards and sick bags be kept?"

On the seat back, I should think.

"How can FR get passengers to carry on their own luggage? Once its checked in it would be impossible for the passengers to retreave their case and then carry it to the aircraft."

I suspect it wouldn't be checked-in in the first place; I reckon it'd be checked by security (scanned or whatever) and you then it in onboard. But there isn't room for large suitcases aboard the beasts, so I wonder whether FR will charge passengers for putting them in the hold - just like PEOPLExpress did.



"Everyone writing for the Telegraph knows that the way to grab eyeballs is with Ryanair and/or sex."
User currently offlineTrent900 From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2003, 515 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (10 years 2 months 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 13739 times:

Sounds like a way of getting more money out of people. I suppose you'll have to pay for sick bags as well then? LOL

Why dont they just put the prices up a bit? I'd rather pay a bit extra for the services.

Trent.


User currently offlineThaigold From Australia, joined Sep 2003, 315 posts, RR: 2
Reply 14, posted (10 years 2 months 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 13702 times:

G'day

I agree with Pe@rson - great ideas from an absolute LCC genius..... I don't think most people flying Ryanair would mind carrying their own bags onboard on put them near the cargo hold them selves..... I know I wouldn't mind..... As for seats not reclining, no barfbags, window shutters etc. - I couldn't really give a ....

Great thinking and good for us flying even cheaper.



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User currently offlineSonic From Lithuania, joined Jan 2000, 1670 posts, RR: 1
Reply 15, posted (10 years 2 months 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 13671 times:

I believe with all-carry-on luggage they means just that luggage would need to be transported to the plane by each person as carry-on (not checked-in). However, near plane some of luggage would be loaded into baggage compartment of the plane. The same is done currently with some regional props, e.g. ATR-42 where many people carries oversized luggage (for plane's overhead compartments) and there are people who checks the size and, if it's too big, puts under the plane.
I believe, same would be for Ryanair (after all, it was this comparing to bus - exacly the same it works for tourist buses). Not sure just werether they would still run the luggage to baggage claim, or give it away near airplane just after all people disembarqued (assuming it was not done through jetway).

I think this could really revolutionize the system, as it is not that hard for a person to move his/her luggage up to the plane instead of just to the airport. Unless you have really much luggage, of course...


User currently offlinePe@rson From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2001, 19097 posts, RR: 53
Reply 16, posted (10 years 2 months 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 13671 times:

"Sounds like a way of getting more money out of people."

Not really - IF FR implements a pay-to-check-luggage-in policy, it would act as an incentive for passengers not not take large or much luggage. Accordingly, FR's fuel bill would be lower - surely a lot lower per day - and it could either pass this cost saving - together with the other cost savings - onto the consumer in the form of lower prices or onto shareholders in the form of higher dividends. If it offered lower prices, more people would travel, because airfares are elastic: if you reduce your prices by 10%, more than 10% more people will travel. If you gave your shareholders a higher return on their investment (i.e. higher dividends), you'd ensure they don't sell-up and go elsewhere. For those passengers who must take a lot of luggage, like families, they'd be penalised for doing so. In reality, it'd save the firm money by not paying out as much in fuel, while bringing in a bit more income - but I really doubt that FR would do it merely to gain more revenue.

"Why dont they just put the prices up a bit?"

They use yield management, so fares are higher at particular times, like weekends, during holidays, on morning and late-afternoon/early evening flights during the week, at the last minute, etc. Its fares can be quite to very high during these periods. For example, I would have had to have paid £149.99 each way if I booked a flight between LPL and DUB the day before travelling. FR generally offers these unbelievably cheap fares to those with complete flexibility, like leisure passengers, the eldery and those unemployed, by offering them on 'sub-otimally timed' flights, like late at night or early morning, or on mid-day flights. Indeed, it's normally always cheaper to fly on a Tuesday or Wednesday, except during those flights aboard which mainly business passengers fly (i.e. morning and late afternoon/evening).



"Everyone writing for the Telegraph knows that the way to grab eyeballs is with Ryanair and/or sex."
User currently offlineTrident2e From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 17, posted (10 years 2 months 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 13653 times:

I agree with Sonic - they are not saying all luggage would be carried as hand luggage, just that passengers would be expected to transport it to the aircraft themselves.

User currently offlinePe@rson From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2001, 19097 posts, RR: 53
Reply 18, posted (10 years 2 months 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 13646 times:

Yep, Sonic! That is a likely way of doing it, especially as he gave the example of a bus. Passengers simply cannot take suitcases onto planes, because of the lack of space. Accordingly, they'd almost certainly have to put them in the aircraft hold. And taking into consideration what happens when you board a bus, you might have to pull or carry it to the aircraft. This happens at bus stations and rail stations, so why not at airports? This form of flying should from the point-of-view of the consumer be made as much like travelling aboard a bus or train as possible - and this is another means of achieving this.


"Everyone writing for the Telegraph knows that the way to grab eyeballs is with Ryanair and/or sex."
User currently offlineClipperNo1 From Germany, joined May 1999, 672 posts, RR: 2
Reply 19, posted (10 years 2 months 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 13609 times:

How much cost-reduction would it be, if FR, instead of removing the window shades, removes all windows from the Boeings?!

I hate O'leary's attidute, as if he's re-inventing the all airline biz. He's well over 30 years behind WN, for christ sake.



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User currently offlineCapital146 From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2003, 2125 posts, RR: 45
Reply 20, posted (10 years 2 months 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 13569 times:

I agree with most of the points made here.

Reclining seats can gladly go in my opinion. Nobody in front can sit on your lap anymore.

Window blinds can go as well. Have never used them and almost nobody else uses them either.

Seat pockets can go as long as there is somewhere handy for the sick bag to sit in! Also will require FR to check for litter more frequently or else the aircraft will look like a tip by the end of the day.

The only qualm I have is the idea of passengeres taking all their own luggage on board. This must surely mean cases/large bags, etc as passengers already take their own hand luggage onto an aircraft. I agree with Pe@rson that they could look into charging, say, £5 per person for luggage to be transferred to/from the aircraft for them, but would FR also expect all the elderly/infirm passengers to carry on their own cases as well, unless they pay a surcharge? Maybe Mr O'Leary is looking for someone else to take FR to court for discrimination to get some more free publicity?




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User currently offlineNdebele From Germany, joined Apr 2001, 2898 posts, RR: 23
Reply 21, posted (10 years 2 months 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 13551 times:

Ah I see, so they're talking about something like a "delivery at aircraft" - this makes sense, I knew Ryanair wouldn't be so stupid to tell passengers to take everything into the cabin. However, one should keep in mind that you would not be able to take any knifes or scissors ... on your Ryanair trip, because you wouldn't be able to pass security.

...because airfares are elastic: if you reduce your prices by 10%, more than 10% more people will travel.
I doubt that. This may be true for a certain range of ticket fares, but Ryanair is already quite cheap, lowering these cheap fares by 10% would not create much additional demand.


User currently offlinePe@rson From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2001, 19097 posts, RR: 53
Reply 22, posted (10 years 2 months 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 13513 times:

"...because airfares are elastic: if you reduce your prices by 10%, more than 10% more people will travel."

You can doubt it all you like, but it's true.  Smile

"I hate O'leary's attidute, as if he's re-inventing the all airline biz. He's well over 30 years behind WN, for christ sake."

Then don't fly on FR. You have a choice, so you can take your business elsewhere. WN only went so far in creating low-fare travel. H. K. did not go to such extremes, and WN is arguably less efficient than FR, what with offering drinks (coffee or juice) and snacks (peanuts), a FF programme, allowing the families of staff to travel free, etc. It also operates into arguably extremely expensive airports, like LAX. Hardly conjucive to a low-cost, efficient operation.



"Everyone writing for the Telegraph knows that the way to grab eyeballs is with Ryanair and/or sex."
User currently offlineFLYtoEGCC From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2004, 947 posts, RR: 3
Reply 23, posted (10 years 2 months 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 13505 times:

I also agree that removing reclining seats is a good idea. In fact, I think this should extend to all charter carriers and even major carriers who give you a miserable seat pitch in economy. It's no fun when you're over 6ft and someone decides to invade the minimal space you already have.

Carrying your own luggage to the aircraft... this sounds a bit silly. Unless the airports are willing to install a hell of a lot more X-ray scanners and security points, people could quite easily smuggle illegal stuff on board. Unless every single bag is scanned, what's to stop someone putting a gun in their hold luggage, then opening their case after passing through security and moving it to their hand luggage?

With regards the seat pockets, I didn't know they cleaned them anyway. I've always found evidence to the contrary  Smile/happy/getting dizzy



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User currently offlinePe@rson From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2001, 19097 posts, RR: 53
Reply 24, posted (10 years 2 months 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 13485 times:

Fly2EGCC - I, like Sonic, reckon that passengers might have to take their suitcases and bags to the aircraft (where it'll be loaded into the hold) and not actually take it on board.


"Everyone writing for the Telegraph knows that the way to grab eyeballs is with Ryanair and/or sex."
25 FLYtoEGCC : Pe@rson I understand that, I know what Sonic is saying. My point is if there aren't enough security points, if suitcases aren't thoroughly scanned in
26 Capital146 : If passengers did take their own bags to the aircraft, would this not cause more problems than it solves? Many people would be unable to carry their b
27 Post contains images Airsicknessbag : >>>PEOPLExpress used to make all passengers with check-in luggage pay $7 per bag. The airline provided larger overhead bins onboard the aircraft to st
28 Pe@rson : Yes, the PEOPLExpress idea might not have been effective, hence the carrier ceasing to exist. Still, the basis is quite good. No-one in their right mi
29 Post contains images Airsicknessbag : >>>No-one in their right mind will ever say that low-cost always means low-fares, because it doesn't. Yes, I recently noticed at STN that FR don´t ca
30 Post contains images Pe@rson : lol People wrongly equate low-cost with low-fares, when the two do not necessarily always go together. Still, if one is willing and able to travel of
31 Post contains images Jkw777 : What is this a joke?! Reclining seats and window blinds: Ok I can live with out that, as some of you quite rightly said there is nothing worse than so
32 Pe@rson : "Where would the safety cards possibly be for the passengers to access when they are given the pre-departure safety briefing? On the back of the seat,
33 Delta777jet : I had flew with new FR B 737-800 three weeks ago and was on board of such 738 with no recline possibilities. The seats are colored blue and in the top
34 Greaser : Guys, chill about the carry-on luggage thing. Its not for sure, if Ryanair conducts a poll and 60 or 70% say they would rather pay more, then they wil
35 Post contains images Airsicknessbag : >>>Ditching seat pockets: Where would the safety cards possibly be for the passengers to access when they are given the pre-departure safety briefing
36 Post contains images Mikec : Anyone who has had to join the large queue at STN to get through security at peak times, or the rugby scrums that ensue to get onboard an FR flight (n
37 Airblue : they're talking about something like a "delivery at aircraft" - this makes sense Delivery your luggage to the cargo hold of the aircraft will affect t
38 FoxBravo : While I don't care that much about the reclining seats, which usually don't provide that much additional comfort anyway, I disagree strongly with thos
39 FunFlyer : Well I have just 1 word, okay add them all together you would get more. GOODBYE
40 Codeshare : How about reorganising the a/c interiors so they can look like a Tube car or a city bus? They'll be able to fly more passengers, or perhaps all seats
41 JAL777 : Why anyone would choose to fly Lyin'Air is beyond me.
42 Post contains images Patroni : Well, I can only hope that this is empty publicity bla bla than the real strategy of Ryanair.... Reclining seats gone? Fine for flights of up to 90 mi
43 Post contains links and images Crosswind : Eliminating seatpockets has little to do with minimising loss/damage to safety cards and sickbags! The main reason for removing seatpockets is reducin
44 Johnnybgoode : without wanting to paint it black, to me it seems that FR is trying to cut costs so drastically (which is, of course, a very good thing) because they
45 Post contains images Pe@rson : ">>>Where would the safty cards and sick bags be kept? >>>On the seat back, I should think. Oh, I´d love to see that in the case of the sick bags" Ai
46 Post contains links Ndebele : Maybe a little off-topic, but I just found this link and I thought I'd share it with you: http://www.ryanair.com/about/pax_compliments_03.html Unfortu
47 Jwenting : How can FR get passengers to carry on their own luggage? Once its checked in it would be impossible for the passengers to retreave their case and then
48 Luv2fly : This just begs me to ask, what is next? Fares priced on what you weigh, weigh less pay less, weigh more and pay more. At what point do you say, "Enoug
49 Pe@rson : "At what point do you say, "Enough is enough!"" Never - there are always means by which to reduce costs and wastage and to thereby operate more effici
50 Luv2fly : I am not sure that some of these suggestions FR is considering would be viewed as improving the product.
51 Crosswind : "At what point do you say, "Enough is enough!"" Never. So in your opinion customer service doesn't matter, because like Michael O'Leary you believe no
52 Luv2fly : Crosswind you said it best. I understand wanting to pay a fair fare, tho I also do not want to be viewed as a walking ATM machine and nickled and dime
53 AAJAXFlyer : Why do they even bother painting their airplanes then? Why pay to put up logos at the airport when cardboard signs will do? Do away with uniforms... m
54 FLYtoEGCC : "Why even bother painting their airplanes then?" AAJAXFlyer - that's a very good point! Is it true that AA leaves its aircraft in a "metal" finish to
55 Graham697 : Wow, I am usually pro-Euro, even though I dislike Airbus, but this makes me happy to live in the states. No reclining, window shades, checked luggage?
56 Pe@rson : "So in your opinion customer service doesn't matter." Where did I say that customer service doesn't matter? If you re-read what I wrote, you'll quickl
57 Blackbird615 : Southwest, AirTran and JetBlue prosper offering a core product complimented by basic and standardized services which do not include on-going service c
58 N312RC : Removing window shades.... and most of you agree with it?? I hope none of yall fly on a sunny day or sunrise/sunset flight. Good luck trying to sleep
59 CoTXDFW777AA : I hope this trend does not spread over the pond. Could you imagine a jetblue read eye transcon without window blinds and a reclining seat. The legacys
60 Richierich : I find it funny that most US low-cost carriers are trying to increase creature comforts (adding IFE, more legroom, etc.), while Ryanair seems determin
61 Capital146 : I hope none of yall fly on a sunny day Everyday is a sunny day once you get above the clouds. You hardly ever see people using the window shades anywa
62 N276AASTT : I CAN SEE THE HEADLINE NOW: RYANAIR NEW FEATURE: NO SEATS AT ALL! Today Ryanair annouced that they will be taking out all seats from all aircraft in a
63 IHadAPheo : My rambling opinions are as follows. Reclining seats: I agree that on most flights I never recline my seat, so for me it ould be no great loss. Window
64 Luv2fly : IHadAPheo To funny, I was thinking the same thoughts.....
65 Post contains images FLYtoEGCC : N276AASTT, - but you might have a point! I have to stand up on buses quite often, and they are so bumpy that I'm frequently chucked around the aisle.
66 Cytz_pilot : Does anyone understand how removing the window shades would save 130,000/year? I always assumed that shades were installed when the aircraft was const
67 Pe@rson : "I would miss a window shade on a long flight." You just identified the key issue: U2's longest flight is LTN-ATH, about 3.5 hours, with the majority
68 Aa757first : Why aren't they cutting out personal air vents and reading lamps? They probably cost more. AAndrew
69 Post contains images David b. : Maybe they should get rid of air vents, reading lamps, seat cushions, O2 masks, life jackets and emergency slides Also, food and drink services
70 N766UA : Sounds like bus service to me.... I won't be flying Ryanair ever if that's the case.
71 Pe@rson : "food and drink services" Nah, that would be silly: food and drink sales amount to 7% of FR's total annual revenue. Clearly, it's a big, big earner.
72 Post contains images FLYtoEGCC : How about flying on one engine during descent and landing to save fuel?!
73 Aloges : Thanks for giving me one more reason why not to fly Ryanair!
74 David b. : They make you pay for drinks your saying?
75 Shankly : I have to say, none of these things are a big deal, but why announce them so publicly? Clearly O'Leary's gone bonkers (well more bonkers than he was).
76 Blackbird615 : A few additional sources of revenue: Install coin receptacles on bathroom doors, $1.00 urine, $2.00 fecal material with 4 tissues, each additional she
77 Mandala499 : Hmmm, didn't FR recently loose a large amount of the market value after the profit warning came out? Something about problems in keeping yields and fi
78 Post contains images FLYtoEGCC : How about: - doing away with the F/As completely and employing one security guard who makes you sit down when the seat-belt light comes on; - dispose
79 Aa757first : I was serious in my question that no one has answered yet. Why aren't they cutting out personal air vents and reading lamps? AAndrew
80 Stormin : Be careful about what you ask for... Delta has some second-hand 757s (from National, I think) that have no individual overhead vents, just the lights.
81 IHadAPheo : Along with with ideas above I have few more.. Remember in Airplane!! wherethe passengers deplaned via the Baggage Carousel, heck youcould even be bar
82 M404 : Where are we supposed to put the bags? Not the overheads, that would exceed the weight limits Not under the seats, a normal T! exceeds the height limi
83 Tokolosh : Why doesn't Ryanair go all the way and simply remove all seats and have standing room only. Much nicer!
84 Post contains links Diesel1 : Check out http://myaviation.net/?pid=00022606 for a pic of the latest FR interior with the non reclining seats and the safety cards on the seat backs.
85 TriStar500 : Like Gordon Bethune once said: "You can make a pizza so cheap by removing all toppings that no one wants to buy it even if you are trying to sell it w
86 Pe@rson : What a load of old Tosh, Tristar! People WILL continue to fly FR - and it LARGE QUANTITIES. If FR reduces its prices further, which it certainly will,
87 Post contains images TriStar500 : It won't change anything if you get all emotional, my dear Pearson, when the wonders of our market economy permit the competition to overtake the form
88 Pe@rson : I'm not getting emotional at all. I am not attached to FR. I am not a stakeholder. Yes, the competition probably already has a better product, but mos
89 Post contains images TriStar500 : Agreed. Although with the ever-increasing density of the LCC network, it will be harder for FR to sell flights from remote airports and at increasingl
90 Pe@rson : Yes, I agree that it will be interesting to see which is deemed by the general public - not us overanalytical people - as being more important. I myse
91 GodBless : I was "lucky" enough to get the feeling of the new seats already and I can say I was glad when I got out of that plane. Well but on the other hand now
92 Shenzhen : I have but a small question... How will Ryan Air determine the weight of all the baggage thrown into the cargo compartment at the gate. If I had my ch
93 Post contains images Boo25 : From now on the hold will be the lower lobe cabin, for the seats that sold for 99p... It will be £40 to hire a seat belt for take-off , and a meter o
94 Gte439u : I very much admire O'Leary for trying something different. Many consumers travel infrequently or do not care about the niceties (unlike a.net members)
95 VCE : This is another reason to avoid to fly with this that should be defined as an airline..
96 FLYtoEGCC : Shenzhen raises a good point about the determining of the weight of all the hold luggage. Of course, low-cost carriers in particular fly with the mini
97 Planemaker : My, my, what a rarefied bunch we have on A.net. All this scorn and derision on FR. As has been posted ad nauseum - if you don't like FR, then simply d
98 CPDC10-30 : My goodness, this is going way, way too far and will alienate potential customers. I can understand the luggage handling ideas, but window shades? Giv
99 Donder10 : How is it that every other LCC in the world can somehow manage to afford these "luxuries"? And how come Ryanair is the most profitable? Anyway,more fr
100 Post contains images FLYtoEGCC : "All this scorn and derision on FR." I'd call hardly any of this thread scorn and derision. The ideas Mr O'Leary is suggesting are pretty radical, and
101 Pe@rson : It's not a question of affording the items, it's a question of reducing costs to operate more efficiently and therefore to pass the cost-saving onto e
102 Cloudboy : Maybe I am missing something here, but... If you are going to remove the window shades, doesn't that mean a lot of labor? Do planes normally come with
103 FLYtoEGCC : Pe@rson has hit the nail on the head. I remember reading a quote from Michael O'Leary a few weeks ago (don't ask me where) where he said that Ryanair
104 LJ : The only problem with FR's strategy is that in the end you simply can not cut costs anymore. If that point has been reached and FR is still not perfor
105 Prebennorholm : There is nothing more annoying and less comfortable than when some passenger in front of you suddenly slams his seat down on your lap. (Maybe except o
106 Greenjet : Another good reason for the removal of seat pockets is that it will boost online sales of food and drink as people will have nowhere to store their ow
107 SailorOrion : As an aerospace engineer, I shall not board a plane where the luggage is being loaded by passengers and the pilot has no idea where his CG is. SailorO
108 Coronado990 : Staring at that emergency exit safety placard for 90 minutes would make me feel a little uneasy. I always study it prior to departure, but it is a bit
109 FlyCaledonian : Well, as has been said you can choose to fly FR or not. As the non-reclining seats without seat pockets are a reality no more to be said there. Hope w
110 JGPH1A : As has been said earlier in the thread, many FR passengers are infrequent travellers - on FR, that is. As Mr O'Leary diminishes the flying experience
111 Pe@rson : "The only problem with FR's strategy is that in the end you simply can not cut costs anymore." In some respects, yes - diseconomies of scale would occ
112 Tokolosh : This is a ridiculous plan by Ryanair! The "headrests" are there for a reason, i.e. to keep grease from hair off the seats. Cutting them, in combinatio
113 Post contains images Stefandotde : Ryanair can do what Ryanair want, if they get passengers who accept how they get treated. No problem. Everybody can choose the airline he wants (and h
114 Post contains images JGPH1A : Stefandotde - I don't think FR will worry too much about the EU Compensation rules - flights cancelled due to events beyond the airlines control are e
115 Richardw : FR need to introduce more shuttle services with capped fares at say £169, that would get customers returning, and with fewer Saturday and Sunday vari
116 BestWestern : If Ryanair can continue cutting costs by more than passenger yields fall - they will survive and prosper. Me thinks that they are running out of ideas
117 JGPH1A : Using Continental's pizza example, the FR experience is more like licking the anchovies out of the delivery bikes tire tread after the guy ran someone
118 LTBEWR : I hope some of these ideas of Ryanair don't come to US/International Majors or US LCC's!. Part of the problem for even LCC's is the quickly growing an
119 Startvalve : OK here is an idea. Rather than eliminating the window shades why not just eliminate the windows? Order the airplanes with a cargo door and at night w
120 Marcopolo747 : Adding to Startvalve suggestions, as there will be no windows, why don't they do away with seats too ? Passengers could strap themselves directly in
121 Post contains images SafetyDude : I think that Ryanair should consider to do what some Asian carriers already have of putting advertisements on the Safety Cards. Think about it, move t
122 Lj : And dear LJ, just remember that Ryanair is already Europe's most profitable airline company. You mean that Ryanair is currently Europe's most profitab
123 Pe@rson : But the thing is, LJ, FR have been around for a LONG time already - 10+ years. It's hardly an ignorant newcomer.
124 FLYtoEGCC : If Ryanair suffers from major overcapacity during the summer, wouldn't it be sensible to withdraw a few of its 737-800s from unprofitable routes and l
125 Post contains links and images RyanairA320 : Ryanair are Europe's largest and best low fares airline. They have a brilliant on-time record, the cheapest airfares, brand new aircraft and friendly
126 Pe@rson : Couldn't have put it better, FR320! For your take-no-crap attitude, I'll add you to my respected users list.
127 RyanairA320 : Thank you Pe@rson. Much appreciated. Enjoy your upcoming flight. Sounds exciting
128 Post contains links and images Jaspike : I was on Ryanair recently.. well, yesterday. http://www.airliners.net/discussions/trip_reports/read.main/40289/ I've read the last few replies, haven'
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