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Will TED Make It To EWR  
User currently offlineTommy767 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 6584 posts, RR: 11
Posted (10 years 5 months 2 weeks 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 3115 times:

United has terminal A-1 all to themselves at Newark, in which some gates that United has are not always use. Do you think Ted will experiment with EWR on some routes?


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User currently offlineRjpieces From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (10 years 5 months 2 weeks 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 3078 times:

Probably not. Most of United's routes from NYC are on higher yielding business routes so they have no need to put Ted here.

User currently offlinePVD757 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 3411 posts, RR: 17
Reply 2, posted (10 years 5 months 2 weeks 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 3064 times:

I second that motion RJpieces, well put!

User currently offlineSTT757 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 16820 posts, RR: 51
Reply 3, posted (10 years 5 months 2 weeks 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 3055 times:

If they fly to EWR it will be to Denver, perhaps they "might" take over UAL's flights from EWR to LAX or SFO.

It's all speculation though, and UAL owns Terminal A "Concourse" 1, not the WHOLE terminal. UAL has about 9 gates in A-1 Concourse, they share one or two with Airtran.



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User currently offlineSHUPirate1 From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 3670 posts, RR: 17
Reply 4, posted (10 years 5 months 2 weeks 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 3013 times:

I could see TED using the A-320's to attempt to compete with Song, jetBlue, Spirit, Southwest, and just about every single other US-based carrier as an attempt to gain marketshare in that lucrative leisure market from the New York City area to Florida...presently, the only way to fly on United from the New York City area to FLL or PBI is through ORD, at least until TED starts flying IAD-FLL...


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User currently offlineFlyguy1 From United States of America, joined Jun 1999, 1738 posts, RR: 4
Reply 5, posted (10 years 5 months 2 weeks 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 3001 times:

United does not see to be that interested in the NYC area as of late, so I would say no in reference to the TED question.


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User currently offlineSHUPirate1 From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 3670 posts, RR: 17
Reply 6, posted (10 years 5 months 2 weeks 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 2982 times:

Flyguy-Tell me about that one...I remember one time trying to book JFK-IAH on a free ticket, they told me I could either connect in both IAD and ORD, or connect in SFO...problem was, they wouldn't let me reimburse my VDB comp for either flight, due to the double-connecting and out-of-way-flight, so I "settled" for LGA-ORD-IAH...


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User currently offlineRjpieces From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (10 years 5 months 2 weeks 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 2957 times:

SHUpirate1, there are more than enough airlines operating NYC-Florida flights. United has never really tried to grab this market, a few years back they had LGA-MIA, but they never operated NYC-FLL nonstop AFAIK.

Although I do wish US would start NYC-Florida nonstop again, that way I could earn my miles on United!  Smile


User currently offlineSTT757 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 16820 posts, RR: 51
Reply 8, posted (10 years 5 months 2 weeks 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 2917 times:

There was the brief period in the early 1990s when UAL was trying to build Orlando into a hub, they had 3 flights each from EWR and LGA.

Did not last too long, also UAL flew EWR-MIA in addition to the previously mentioned LGA-MIA.



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User currently offlineFlyguy1 From United States of America, joined Jun 1999, 1738 posts, RR: 4
Reply 9, posted (10 years 5 months 2 weeks 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 2898 times:

UA also flew JFK-MIA, this ended sometime in early 2003.


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User currently offlineB4real From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 2629 posts, RR: 5
Reply 10, posted (10 years 5 months 2 weeks 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 2877 times:

I would think EWR-LAS may be a route to try. With song's plans on hold, this may be a route that might 'Take Off  Smile


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User currently offlineSHUPirate1 From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 3670 posts, RR: 17
Reply 11, posted (10 years 5 months 2 weeks 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 2874 times:

What I REALLY don't understand about UA's scheduling out of JFK is why they overfly their two largest hubs from JFK, effectively sending any non-transcon domestic traffic they might have had out of JFK to either LGA or other carriers...


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User currently offlineRjpieces From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (10 years 5 months 2 weeks 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 2859 times:

Flyguy1, I don't think UA ever flew JFK-MIA nonstop, if they did it was probably a Saturday only flight.....STT757...?

User currently offlineFlyguy1 From United States of America, joined Jun 1999, 1738 posts, RR: 4
Reply 13, posted (10 years 5 months 2 weeks 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 2842 times:

After UA dropped South America from JFK, they operated JFK-MIA for sometime. I assume this was meant to provide coverage for passengers on those services. RJpieces, you act as if STT is all knowing, and im not Big grin


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User currently offlineRjpieces From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 14, posted (10 years 5 months 2 weeks 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 2830 times:

NO! lol, i'm sorry, i didn't mean for it to come off that way. STT just always seems to know the history of NYC aviation related stuff, that's why I asked him.

Do you remember what kind of aircraft it was?


User currently offlineFlyguy1 From United States of America, joined Jun 1999, 1738 posts, RR: 4
Reply 15, posted (10 years 5 months 2 weeks 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 2817 times:

No problem, just joking with  Smile. It was a 767-300ER.


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User currently offlineSTT757 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 16820 posts, RR: 51
Reply 16, posted (10 years 5 months 2 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 2737 times:

I defer to to Flyguy1 on this one, he's correct that UAL flew a 767-300 between JFK and MIA. It was once a day, I don't remember if it was daily or not.

Heck UAL also flew from JFK-SJU, 1-2 757s on the weekends.



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User currently offlineKlwright69 From Saudi Arabia, joined Jan 2000, 2017 posts, RR: 3
Reply 17, posted (10 years 5 months 2 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 2716 times:

Despite being a huge market, the NYC market is such a cluttered scene I don't see UA having any big interest in expanding what they already have there.

User currently offlineFlyguy1 From United States of America, joined Jun 1999, 1738 posts, RR: 4
Reply 18, posted (10 years 5 months 2 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 2685 times:

Klwright:
True UA would most likely not want to expand in the NYC area right now, but they have shrunk a lot from the past. Gone are such routes as JFK-GRU, EZE, CCS, BOS, PHL, CLK, SJU and less frequencies to LAX, and SFO. EWR lost LHR, MIA, and has half the flights to LAX, and SFO from the past. LGA lost service to MIA, though that was the only non hub flying the had.



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User currently offlineTommy767 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 6584 posts, RR: 11
Reply 19, posted (10 years 5 months 2 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 2603 times:

To clairify:

United flew EWR-MIA for a long time with a 727-200 in the Mid 90s. I remember in 2002 United had a saturday and Sunday flight to MIA on an A320. That route was later dropped.



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User currently offlineUSAFHummer From United States of America, joined May 2000, 10685 posts, RR: 53
Reply 20, posted (10 years 5 months 2 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 2593 times:

TED's plans for now seem to be that on routes where TED flies, normal mainline UA service is completely eliminated, and I just dont see that happening at EWR to any UA hub anytime soon...

Greg



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User currently offlineDCA-ROCguy From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 4488 posts, RR: 33
Reply 21, posted (10 years 5 months 2 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 2545 times:

UA isn't going to fly TED on any city-pair on which they don't face nonstop LCC competition. TED, like MetroJet before it, is a strictly-reactive measure not intended to offer a lower-fare product *anywhere* the higher-CASM mainline product doesn't face direct competition. Icky low fares are not to be encouraged wherever it isn't necessary.

UA also experimented with flights from LGA to Upstate New York in 1984. I remember that for a few months then, UA flew four nonstop dailies on ROC-LGA. But USAir and Empire were established in that city-pair at the time, so UA couldn't make a go of it. More high-CASM network-carrier or regional-carrier capacity wasn't needed.

However, the following year, People Express entered ROC-EWR, and demand to the New York market skyrocketed. More demand was there, it just needed the right price. As JetBlue is reminding us today.

Jim


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