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User currently offlineVSGirl From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (10 years 7 months 2 weeks 6 days ago) and read 4364 times:

What’s been your worst experience with a dumpy landing?

Mine was in JFK flying British Airways on a Boeing 777 in 1997, we touched down hard, and well it was hard! From the minute the landing gear went down you could see the wings moving up and down, engines changing pitch all the time. It felt like once we where 10ft or so above the runway we just ‘fall’ out the sky, it even hurt my neck!

See this link below, I would not want to be on that jet!
http://users.onvol.net/115951/A321CrosswindLanding.asx

So what’s your worst experience?

Kimberly.


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User currently offlineFLYtoEGCC From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2004, 947 posts, RR: 2
Reply 1, posted (10 years 7 months 2 weeks 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 4293 times:

Landing at REU on an Airtours DC-10 in 2001. Didn't feel particularly bumpy on the way down, but we hit the runway with an almighty thud - it's the only landing where I would have been really thrown off my seat if I hadn't had my seat belt on. It's also the only landing where nearly everyone in the cabin, including the cabin crew I was sitting near, exclaimed "ouch" of "oooofff" or even "s**t". Landing at Dublin in a FR 732 was also fun, similar to VSGirl's account of the BA 777 above.

[Edited 2004-02-16 13:38:03]


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User currently offlinePe@rson From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2001, 19233 posts, RR: 52
Reply 2, posted (10 years 7 months 2 weeks 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 4264 times:

Most of my landings have, as far as I could tell, been pretty 'normal'.

VSGirl - how come you don't contribute in the Tech/Ops forum, being a professional pilot and all?



"Everyone writing for the Telegraph knows that the way to grab eyeballs is with Ryanair and/or sex."
User currently offlineVSGirl From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (10 years 7 months 2 weeks 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 4218 times:

Pe@rson,

As I have once or twice in the past, but normally people bet me too it  Big grin I am just too slow  Sad

Kimberly.


User currently offlineAirplanepics From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2003, 2736 posts, RR: 40
Reply 4, posted (10 years 7 months 2 weeks 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 4201 times:

VSGirl,

Why dont we talk about your bumpy landings!  Big grin

Simon



Simon - London-Aviation.com
User currently offlinePe@rson From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2001, 19233 posts, RR: 52
Reply 5, posted (10 years 7 months 2 weeks 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 4148 times:

Simon, me old mucker, I really have to tell you how to chat-up a lass.  Wink/being sarcastic But for now, I'll watch you and laugh.  Laugh out loud  Laugh out loud

Yours kindly,

James.



"Everyone writing for the Telegraph knows that the way to grab eyeballs is with Ryanair and/or sex."
User currently offlineVSGirl From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (10 years 7 months 2 weeks 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 4127 times:

Hey Airplanepics (Simon),

I don’t do dumpy landings (I so wish that where true)... JFK can sometimes be troublesome due to heavy crosswinds on runway 31R as can LHR.

Pe@rson,

He is not doing that bad  Big grin

Kimberly.



User currently offlineEGGD From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2001, 12443 posts, RR: 35
Reply 7, posted (10 years 7 months 2 weeks 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 4125 times:

Arriving at MAN after a flight from YYC on an Airtours 763, wasn't particularly bumpy at all but I could see the airport and runway through my window until we were pretty much on top of it. We touched down hard and you could feel this yawing motion as the thrust reversers kicked in. Was quite cool as well because it was snowing and stuff.. mmm.


User currently offlineAirplanepics From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2003, 2736 posts, RR: 40
Reply 8, posted (10 years 7 months 2 weeks 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 4112 times:

Lol @ VS Girl.

Cant blame a guy trying to get a jump seat!  Big grin


Simon

[Edited 2004-02-16 14:18:11]


Simon - London-Aviation.com
User currently offlineVSGirl From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (10 years 7 months 2 weeks 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 4104 times:

Airplanepics,

So what about you, any bumpy landings on your record book?

Kimberly  Big grin


User currently offlineAirplanepics From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2003, 2736 posts, RR: 40
Reply 10, posted (10 years 7 months 2 weeks 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 4082 times:

hmmmm - had a cool one in Chicago, in a snow storm!

Also had one at LGW, I believe the captain was on something, as he used the reverse thrust, then put it back to idle again, and then reverse thrust! Strange feeling......!


Simon



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User currently offlinePe@rson From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2001, 19233 posts, RR: 52
Reply 11, posted (10 years 7 months 2 weeks 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 4060 times:

Don't forget that one when flying with The Hand, Simon.  Laugh out loud Terribly bumpy, if I recall your trip report correctly.

Annnyyway, I'll keep quiet. Big grin



"Everyone writing for the Telegraph knows that the way to grab eyeballs is with Ryanair and/or sex."
User currently offlineBoo25 From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2003, 294 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (10 years 7 months 2 weeks 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 4050 times:

Mine was on a flight from LGW to Mahon (Balearic islands in the med) ,
on a brand new 737-400.

The windshear was so bad we literally dropped onto the runway .
Everyone got off with whiplash, and the plane was grounded until they had carried out a check ( they thought the wings had bent  Wow! ).

It felt bad , and all the passengers got off very quietly - the captain refused to come out of the f/d for disembarkation, and in true british style, carried on as if nothing had happened ( i think its called living in denial )  Insane

When he did eventually come out , he appeared a little flushed in the cheeks!
What made it worse is that autobrake had been set to max to try the new plane out / so apart from the downward force ( being pushed into your seat) everybody was then flung forwards . . . just another day !!


User currently offlineVSGirl From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 13, posted (10 years 7 months 2 weeks 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 4056 times:

Which airline was that? I once flew with Britannia Airways on a B762 and we landed at LGW, Captain started with a little reverse, then at 100kts (or there about) he open the reverse to full, or what felt/sounded like.

Thinking about it, most of my dumpy landings have been in Boeing 767 & Boeing 777's, odd!?

Kimberly  Smile


User currently offlineAirplanepics From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2003, 2736 posts, RR: 40
Reply 14, posted (10 years 7 months 2 weeks 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 4026 times:

Don't forget that one when flying with The Hand, Simon. Terribly bumpy, if I recall your trip report correctly

What are you on?!

It was on a Futura 738.



Simon - London-Aviation.com
User currently offlineBoo25 From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2003, 294 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (10 years 7 months 2 weeks 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 3976 times:

That 734 landing was with AirUK Leisure (now part of Air2000) !

I've worked on the 767 for 8 years now,and often sit at 3L/3R, the landings often 'feel' bumpy, buy its due to the fact its rare undercarriage design ( frint wheels hanging forward) , so as it touches down, it tends to wallop the rear ones down pretty sharp behind it! (At least thats what the flight crew say Big grin)!

It sounds alot worse than it actually is!

The sensations in the F/D / upfront are very different - you often get crew at doors 3 saying what a thump , yet people at door 1 are totally oblivious - i think its the noise more than anything!

Tho we took the 763 into Aberdeen one night on minimum viz - that WAS a thump!!!!


User currently offlineVSGirl From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 16, posted (10 years 7 months 2 weeks 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 3951 times:

Boo25,

That could explain it, but I was up front :s I take it you’re an f/a? For A2K?

Kimberly.


User currently offlineHailstone From Germany, joined Nov 2000, 410 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (10 years 7 months 2 weeks 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 3912 times:

reminds me of:

a good landing is one you can walk away from

a great landing is one where you can use the aircraft again

******
always keep the shiny side up - hailstone


User currently offlineTexan From New Zealand, joined Dec 2003, 4278 posts, RR: 52
Reply 18, posted (10 years 7 months 2 weeks 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 3867 times:

DAL-ELP on WN a while ago. Looked out the window when we were really close to the ground, and we were perpendicular to the runway. Quite an experience, the FAA closed the airport for a few hours right after we landed because of the cross winds!

Texan



"I have always imagined that Paradise will be a kind of library."
User currently offlineLHSebi From Germany, joined Jan 2004, 1049 posts, RR: 8
Reply 19, posted (10 years 7 months 2 weeks 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 3654 times:

My worst crosswind experience was not during landing, but takeoff from EDI with BD going to LHR. While sitting at the gate prior to pushback, I already felt the plane slightly rocking back and forth, and was wondering what that was. Then, on takeoff roll, it kept feeling as though the plane was about to get blown sideways off the runway. The pilot must have had quite a bit of rudder input there! Anyways, after takeoff, there was more turbulence than I had ever experienced in my many years of flying. Fortunately, after reaching cruising altitude, it calmed down, and approach and landing into LHR were smooth. Pretty scary!

Sebastian



I guess that's what happens in the end, you start thinking about the beginning.
User currently offlineWagz From United States of America, joined Mar 2003, 516 posts, RR: 16
Reply 20, posted (10 years 7 months 2 weeks 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 3433 times:
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OK, does a landing I've personally performed in a single engine trainer count?

For the record, I fly these little suckers out of Northeast Philadelphia (KPNE) for my PPL training. We've got 6 of them at my flight school, including 2 in the paint job shown below.


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Well, back in December, it was my first time back in the air after a month off. My instructor had me take us over to Doyelstown (DYL), a little 3000 X 50 foot slab of asphalt. Mind you this was my first short and narrow field experience. Guess I'm spoiled using those 7000 X 150 runways at PNE. Anyway, of course there had to be a 10 to 12 knot crosswind up there, not to mention a really long row of hangars next to the runway that tend to cause some chop on short final. Since I hadn't flown in a while, I think I started the flare a little too low, and while I was kicking in some rudder to straighten up with the runway I kinda smacked the ground pretty good.

Then one time way back earlier last year, I was in the middle of a normal flare back home at PNE, when some freak wind shift or gust caused me to suddenly drop on to the asphalt. My instructor was actually surprised too.

Its really amazing how dynamic and volatile the air can be at times, unbeknownst to all those mere mortals down on the ground.  Smile

Joe Wagner



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User currently offlineNudelhirsch From Germany, joined Oct 2003, 1438 posts, RR: 19
Reply 21, posted (10 years 7 months 2 weeks 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 3377 times:

Does MS-FS2k4 count too? I made some real hard ones there...including JFK...and as a beginner I refused to listen to ATC prior to landing...so it was always fun to see, what would be happening...hehe


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User currently offlineAviationfreak From Netherlands, joined Nov 2003, 1166 posts, RR: 40
Reply 22, posted (10 years 7 months 2 weeks 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 3335 times:

Well I had always good landings. But I was out spotting one day at 18R-36L at AMS with very heavy cross winds when I saw a NW DC-10 bouncing over the runway. It needed three touchdowns and a lot of burning rubber. I was standing real close when I saw that. It scared the hell out of me. I wonder how the passengers on board felt.


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User currently offlineGoboeing From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 2700 posts, RR: 15
Reply 23, posted (10 years 7 months 2 weeks 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 3287 times:

Wagz,
I was in DYL yesterday! I flew down from Nashua, NH in an M20J for a commercial requirement, and turned it into lunch with my parents near the airport. Luckily, the winds were calm.

But my worst crosswind was probably last Sunday when I flew a 172 with one of my roomates. We were returning to ASH and the wind was out of the limits I would have normally flown in. The approach was much worse than the touchdown itself; I got lucky and it didn't hit too hard. You can see a video of it here. It doesn't come close to capturing how much I had to fight it on final, but the weird noise you can hear is actually the wind so that gives you an idea what the weather was doing. It was 350 at 22 gusting 32 when we were on final! A landing speed of 75 KIAS makes that tough!

http://www.thethirddimension.net/willtemp/Videos/Aviation/nicks/Nashua%20LLWS.mpg

Nick


User currently offlineNIKV69 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 24, posted (10 years 7 months 2 weeks 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 3284 times:

December 94' I was on a AA MD-80 on final approach to ISP in a rain storm and windy conditions. This pilot was having a tough time keeping us steady and you could feel him inching the plane down a little at a time, when we touched down we hit hard, scared the whole flight out of our minds. I was glad when we stopped I tell ya!

25 NIKV69 : Correction to that last post. Airline wasn't AA it was USAir.
26 Post contains images JBirdAV8r : Mine was in JFK flying British Airways on a Boeing 777 in 1997, we touched down hard, and well it was hard! From the minute the landing gear went down
27 Bucchinij : My first solo... Thought I broke the gear, the first thing I checked when I shut the engine down was the landing gear, didn't even take the key out...
28 LHSebi : "With phraseology like this, it appears you have very little to no aviation knowledge." I hope you're joking, right? VSGirl is a F/O, so I wouldn't qu
29 FedExDC-10 : I used to tout that my worst experience was an AA F100 Captain that tried to cram the landing gear up through the cabin one night at ORD. Then I start
30 Wagz : Hey Nick, Nice landing there. Gotta love these Winter winds. That's the main reason I haven't been back in the air for a good two months now. The days
31 Goboeing : How long was that landing role? It didn't look like much. From the time the wheels touched to the time we were at taxi speed was about 300 feet. With
32 Post contains images JBirdAV8r : I hope you're joking, right? VSGirl is a F/O, so I wouldn't question her knowledge of aviation if I were you...! Come now, do you believe everything y
33 DC3CV3407AC727 : in,march,'93 while flying a DC3 freighter into manassas ,va. we had to go missed because the x-wind was 42 knots direct and accelerating,we broke out
34 Yhmfan : I agree with JBirdAV8r. You shouldn't believe everything you see on the net!! I did a little search on the net for the name "Kimberly Illshinaa" AKA V
35 Chrisrad : Landing in TPE in Typhoon season was fun, I was sitting at the back on SQ 744. We were all over the place on descent, and then finally we hit the runw
36 Post contains images JBirdAV8r : Kudos to YHMfan for a great observation! Welcome to A.net, by the way. Incidentally, it seems like my worst landings always happen on the first flight
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