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Largest U.S. Cities With No Service To Europe  
User currently offlineFraT From Germany, joined Sep 2003, 1107 posts, RR: 1
Posted (10 years 10 months 2 weeks 1 day ago) and read 6704 times:

Forgive me if we had this topic before.
Which are the largest U.S. cities with no transatlantic service.
MSY, MSP, STL would come to my mind.

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User currently offlineBMAbound From Sweden, joined Nov 2003, 660 posts, RR: 4
Reply 1, posted (10 years 10 months 2 weeks 1 day ago) and read 6676 times:

MSP has transatlantic service.

regards,

johan



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User currently offlineBHMNONREV From Australia, joined Aug 2003, 1383 posts, RR: 4
Reply 2, posted (10 years 10 months 2 weeks 1 day ago) and read 6659 times:

MSP has NW and KL service to Europe, I would think STL is the largest metro area without any scheduled transatlantic now....

User currently offlineFraT From Germany, joined Sep 2003, 1107 posts, RR: 1
Reply 3, posted (10 years 10 months 2 weeks 1 day ago) and read 6645 times:

Of course I forgot NW's service to Europe. My bad.

User currently offlineAlitaliaORD From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 242 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (10 years 10 months 2 weeks 1 day ago) and read 6577 times:

does BA still fly TPA?
i know condor pulled out



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User currently offlineYanksn4 From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 1404 posts, RR: 12
Reply 5, posted (10 years 10 months 2 weeks 1 day ago) and read 6567 times:

Dosn't Minneapolis also have flights to Iceland on Iceland Air? And dosn't New Orleans have flights on Virgin Atlantic Airlines?


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User currently offlineLambertMan From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 2081 posts, RR: 36
Reply 6, posted (10 years 10 months 2 weeks 1 day ago) and read 6573 times:

MSP has AMS and LGW by NW, and Icelandair services REK w/ a 752 (if you consider it transatlantic). The dubious honor of largest metro w/ no transatlantic does go to STL with MCI next in line without service I believe, MSY has a small population (1.3 million) but is a fairly large leisure destination so that makes up for some of the population difference. STL has been courting LH for sometime to no avail, they were seen recently (when PDX got service) and in the early 90's service was nearly commenced. Maybe if STL would wisen up like DEN or PDX and offer some incentives we could take that great honor away.
Yanksn4, VS is a charter service only to feed the cruis ships
Alitalia, yes Condor pulled out but BA recently went from 2x weekly to 5x in a super dense configuration on the 772 (forgot the official name).

[Edited 2004-02-16 21:54:12]

User currently offlineIflyatldl From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 1936 posts, RR: 3
Reply 7, posted (10 years 10 months 2 weeks 1 day ago) and read 6556 times:

SAN almost qualifies.  Smile


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User currently offlineB6FA4ever From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 819 posts, RR: 11
Reply 8, posted (10 years 10 months 2 weeks 1 day ago) and read 6534 times:

well now that BA has stopped their LGW-SAN flight...SAN can be added to the list (for now...)

given that San Antonio, TX has a population of 1mil+ (according to my map on "Microsoft: Streets & Trips) thats a pretty large US city to me. (please correct me if i'm wrong though)  Laugh out loud

~B6FA4ever


User currently offlineJohnnybgoode From Germany, joined Jan 2001, 2187 posts, RR: 6
Reply 9, posted (10 years 10 months 2 weeks 1 day ago) and read 6484 times:

if your including metropolitan areas, then i cannot answer your question. however, if you´re just strictly concerned about biggest cities w/o transatlantic service, it should be San Antonio, TX.

according to the Estimates Program, Population Division, U.S. Census Bureau, Washington, DC, it is the 8th biggest US city (population: 1,147,213). however, these figures are from 1999 and retrieved from the net in late 2002.

next biggest cities w/o transatlantic service would be
Indianapolis, IN 738,907
Jacksonville, FL 695,877
Columbus, OH 671,247

rgds
daniel



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User currently offlineJohnnybgoode From Germany, joined Jan 2001, 2187 posts, RR: 6
Reply 10, posted (10 years 10 months 2 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 6460 times:

seems like B6FA4ever was a bit faster than me...  Wink/being sarcastic

if there´s no BA service to SAN anymore, than that´s the biggest city without service (6th biggest US city).

rgds
daniel



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User currently offlineLambertMan From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 2081 posts, RR: 36
Reply 11, posted (10 years 10 months 2 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 6427 times:

Johnnybgoode, you must remember that in the grand scheme of things city population really doesn't mean alot. St Louis is a small city 338,000 but recently has annexed a little land and has pushed its metro population to a little over 2.8 million. That metro population is what airlines truly draw from. Big thumbs up

User currently offlineIflyatldl From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 1936 posts, RR: 3
Reply 12, posted (10 years 10 months 2 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 6400 times:

I wasn't sure if SAN was going to qualify or not since BA's service had been reduced from seasonal to suspended. Correct me if I'm wrong.  Smile


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User currently offlineJohnnybgoode From Germany, joined Jan 2001, 2187 posts, RR: 6
Reply 13, posted (10 years 10 months 2 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 6387 times:

LambertMan, yep, i´m aware of that. thanks for pointing that out again, but that´s why i initially and expressly asked if the question was metro area or city...

but you´re absolutely right, catchment area is much more important than just the city size.

cheers
daniel



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User currently offlineAs739x From United States of America, joined Apr 2003, 6200 posts, RR: 24
Reply 14, posted (10 years 10 months 2 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 6304 times:

San Jose,CA...over 800,000 in the population. Thats not metro population!
ASSFO



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User currently offlineCoronado990 From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 1614 posts, RR: 2
Reply 15, posted (10 years 10 months 2 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 6281 times:

If you are talking about city population, San Diego wins. If you are talking about METRO AREA then Riverside/San Bernadino/Ontario officially wins since the US Census Bureau counts that as a seperate Metro area. But we all know they can use LAX.

After that, San Diego wins again showing that LAX must take the burden of one the largest, if not largest, population centers in the U.S. (if you take into account the LA, SD and Riverside area's).

St. Louis is right behind San Diego...

RANKING TABLE FOR POPULATION METROPOLITAN STATISTICAL AREA:
Source: US Census Bureau 2000.

NYC 18,323,000
LA/OC 12,365,000
CHI 9,098,000
PHL 5,687,000
DFW 5,161,000
MIA/FLL 5,007,000
WAS 4,796,000
HOU 4,715,000
DET 4,452,000
BOS 4,391,000
ATL 4,248,000
SF/OAK/ 4,123,000
RIV/SB/ONT 3,254,000
PHX 3,251,000
SEA 3,043,000
MSP 2,968,000
SAN 2,813,000
STL 2,698,000
BAL(BWI) 2,553,000
PIT 2,431,000
TPA 2,395,000
DEN 2,179,000
CLE 2,148,000
CINN (CVG) 2,009,000
PDX 1,927,000



[Edited 2004-02-16 22:26:44]

[Edited 2004-02-16 22:44:48]


Uncle SAN at your service!
User currently offlineAAJAXFlyer From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 16, posted (10 years 10 months 2 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 6245 times:

St. Louis hasn't annexed the land.... it's just one big metro area.
Jacksonville is so large because the city merged with Duval County back in the 1960s to make the largest city land-wise in the continental 48 states... thus it encompasses most of its own metro area.

British Airways apparently talked with Jacksonville before, but the city wouldn't make necessary airport facility improvements. BA does have a presence in the city, with FlyTele's center located in the southside.


User currently offlineGigneil From United States of America, joined Nov 2002, 16347 posts, RR: 85
Reply 17, posted (10 years 10 months 2 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 6229 times:

That's the first list I've ever seen that counts Baltimore and Washington as different MSAs.

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User currently offlineBMAbound From Sweden, joined Nov 2003, 660 posts, RR: 4
Reply 18, posted (10 years 10 months 2 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 6202 times:

So, to expand the question a little, which states do not have transatlantic connections? I can think of Montana, Idaho, Nebraska, the Dakotas, Hawaii...(freebee) Louisiana, Arkansas (?), Delaware, Connecticut, Oklahoma and a few more, but I guess you Yankees are better informed!  Big thumbs up

johan

ps. The list might be rather lenghty, maybe we should try to figure out which states actually do have it...  Embarrassment



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User currently offlineUshermittwoch From Germany, joined Jan 2004, 2969 posts, RR: 16
Reply 19, posted (10 years 10 months 2 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 6160 times:

Wisconsin doesn't have any.
Neither does New Mexico.



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User currently offlineAs739x From United States of America, joined Apr 2003, 6200 posts, RR: 24
Reply 20, posted (10 years 10 months 2 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 6161 times:

Corondo: those figures don't seem right. SF metro area is around 6.5 million..That must not include a lot of smaller citys in the area
ASSFO



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User currently offlineUshermittwoch From Germany, joined Jan 2004, 2969 posts, RR: 16
Reply 21, posted (10 years 10 months 2 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 6148 times:

Rhode Island and Vermont also lack service to Europe.


Where have all the tri-jets gone...
User currently offlineCoronado990 From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 1614 posts, RR: 2
Reply 22, posted (10 years 10 months 2 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 6105 times:

Baltimore if officially listed as "Baltimore-Towson, MD" and Washington DC is listed as "Washington-Arlington-Alexandria".

I am even more surprised Riverside/San Bernadino/Ontario was separate from the L.A. metro area (which includes Orange County).

It should be noted that no-one ever includes Tijuana as being part of San Diego's metro area but that is a population of over a million right next door.



Uncle SAN at your service!
User currently offlineLambertMan From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 2081 posts, RR: 36
Reply 23, posted (10 years 10 months 2 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 6084 times:

AAJAX, apparently they did annex some type of land. I'm on a development board(my 2nd passion) and they claim that the metro is now 2.8 some million people(someone actually posted a census figure). It comes up frequently because the people from KC often argue about how big St Louis is when compared to KC. Turns into some pretty heated stuff! Big thumbs up

User currently offlineVectorVictor From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 0 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (10 years 10 months 2 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 6083 times:

Although not technically one metropolitan area, the San Antonio-Austin area has essentially grown together over the last decade. Austin's 1.146 mil and San Antonio's 1.568 mil gives the concentrated region about 2.8 mil.

I'm not holding my breath for any announcement in the next 5 years, however.


25 ToxicMegacolon : Its not that surprising that STL doesn't have transatlantic service though. Its not a particularly tourist-y destination, (like say, Florida, LAS, NYC
26 Nycfuturepilot : Alitalia, BA does still fly to TPA (from LGW).
27 KaiGywer : How come everybody always refers to Reykjavik as REK, when the airport actually used by Icelandair on their flights to "Reykjavik" is actually KEF.
28 FraT : States that have transatlantic service: NY(JFK) MA (BOS) VA (IAD) NC (CLT, RDU) FA (MIA, MCO and some charter destinations) NJ (EWR) PA (PHL, PIT) IL
29 Coronado990 : As739x: My mistake. The 4,123,000 figure is for San Francisco and Oakland only. San Jose should not have been included. The SJC metro area is listed a
30 KaiGywer : FraT, the state abbreviation for Florida is FL. DTW is in Michigan, not Wisconsin.
31 VC745D : VS does not serve MSY. BA flew 1011-500s to LGW for a while ca. 1984.
32 KaiGywer : To add on to FraT's list: TN (MEM)
33 As739x : http://www.demographia.com/db-uscity98.htm According to this the answer as the question as worded. Largest city's without are! 1. San Diego 2. San Ant
34 ToxicMegacolon : The population estimates posted by Coronado are the MSA (metropolitan statstical area) population estimates Like the non-metro population, the MSA mis
35 FraT : Thanks KaiGywer, I was a bit to quick.
36 Post contains images KaiGywer : FraT, nice list though How long did it take you to come up with it?
37 Graham697 : FraT: Under Florida, TPA also has sched service with BA
38 Msh744 : Providence, Rhode Island has transatlantic service during the summer. Airlines that serve PVD on this route are SATA and Air Luxor. The flights go to
39 Post contains images LambertMan : Toxic, you say they are phasing STL out. If you mean that by what they did on Nov. 1st, okay, I agree. Lately they have actually been adding flights b
40 ToxicMegacolon : Kai, "REK" means all Reykjavic airports, including KEF. In the same way that the "NYC" code includes JFK, LGA, EWR, or "QHO" includes HOU and IAH.
41 EddieIAH : "The only reason other cities that are similar to St. Louis in size and destination appeal have transatlantic service is because they are hubs....ie D
42 As739x : Eddie: World Traveller Holland is wrong! There is a NW DC-10 MEM-AMS daily ASSFO
43 Post contains images KaiGywer : ToxicMegacolon, but they only fly to one of them
44 AAJAXFlyer : Some of you may need to look again at the definition of a metro area... or rather a MSA (Metropolitan Statistical Area, or Micropolitan Statistical Ar
45 Flymia : Well i dont know if Clevaland and San Diego dont have service to Europe. Did CO get rid of it in CLE and did BA get rid of it in SAN. Well if they did
46 Ssides : It's by far more accurate to consider this question by metro area. Still, San Diego is tops either way.
47 VC10BOAC : Continental flies CLE - LGW during the summer months.
48 Post contains images Worldperks : Coronado990, What is this Baltimore-Washington thing? There is an invisible line running down the middle of Maryland. One side is telephone area code
49 TriJetFan1 : Flymia- I asked on another post if CO would dump CLE and everyone said no. But there are rumors of a full year service of CLE-LGW, a one week only 764
50 LambertMan : Trijet, you don't need to worry about CO leaving CLE unless UA folds. As for the other routes, with the recent instatement of CVG-HNL (764)the Hawaii
51 Post contains links MAH4546 : The population estimates posted by Coronado are the MSA (metropolitan statstical area) population estimates Like the non-metro population, the MSA mis
52 Post contains links Coronado990 : Regardless of how you slice it or dice, the question is...How can a city as big as San Diego, which is always in the top ten tourist destination spots
53 PROSA : Regardless of how you slice it or dice, the question is...How can a city as big as San Diego, which is always in the top ten tourist destination spots
54 Bubbinski : Utah, Wyoming, Idaho, Montana, and New Mexico also don't have transatlantic service. I would think that sometime down the road Delta would consider at
55 Post contains links Worldperks : Coronado990, Actually Maryland was settled in two places at once by two different families. Upper Maryland was settled by Cecil Calvert and company an
56 VC745D : How many versions of the smallest/largest US/Europe cities with/without transatlantic service can there be? Aside from that, it surprised me how long
57 ConcordeBoy : MSY has a small population (1.3 million) but is a fairly large leisure destination so that makes up for some of the population difference. The above f
58 Atcboy73 : Lambertman That other development board wouldnt be skyscraperpage.com, would it?
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