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MEA CEO In Brazil....  
User currently offlineYegbey01 From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 1732 posts, RR: 3
Posted (10 years 9 months 2 weeks 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 2400 times:

Looks like the GRU flight will become a reality. The CEO of MEA is currently in Brazil.

Probably working out a few issues. Should hear an announcement soon.

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User currently offlineAirxLiban From Lebanon, joined Oct 2003, 4514 posts, RR: 53
Reply 1, posted (10 years 9 months 2 weeks 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 2370 times:

Mohammed El-Hout is in Brazil?

Hopefully he's working some things out.

I really DO NOT think that they can do GRU without adding another aircraft or else substituting the A321s on some of the A332 routes. Especially in the summer when the demand is greater and london is a daily service.

I suppose they could manage it by majorly increasing fleet utilization but somehow I don't see it happening, lets not forget that F-OHLO will be gone by summer...

People have said that MEA will not be adding any new aircraft to the fleet.

Without having tried to work out the scheduling of the 9 aircraft between the destinations to be served...I will say that I do not think it is feasible to add a GRU service with the current fleet. Even if it is just 2x a week...



PARIS, FRANCE...THE BEIRUT OF EUROPE.
User currently offlineAirxLiban From Lebanon, joined Oct 2003, 4514 posts, RR: 53
Reply 2, posted (10 years 9 months 2 weeks 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 2356 times:

by the way did we ever figure out of MEA can fly from dakar to sao paulo with the A332s?

In terms of range it should be possible to fly nonstop at 233 mtow.




PARIS, FRANCE...THE BEIRUT OF EUROPE.
User currently offlineYegbey01 From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 1732 posts, RR: 3
Reply 3, posted (10 years 9 months 2 weeks 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 2354 times:

AirxLiban,
The President of Lebanon is in Brazil on an official visit and El-hout is there as well.


User currently offlineAirxLiban From Lebanon, joined Oct 2003, 4514 posts, RR: 53
Reply 4, posted (10 years 9 months 2 weeks 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 2341 times:

lets try to calculate how much of a time saving it would be for the lebanese diaspora in brazil to go home:

lets assume GRU-CDG-BEY

lets assume:

AF 455 GRU-CDG

connecting to

AF 564 operated by MEA

= 17 hours and 20 minutes

now on the return:

AF 565 BEY-CDG

AF 454 CDG-GRU

=20 hours and 35 minutes

now if MEA was to have a direct service:

GRU to BEY is about 6668 mi

so something like 12 hours or so on the eastbound.

not a bad saving, unless one likes CDG.



PARIS, FRANCE...THE BEIRUT OF EUROPE.
User currently offlineMEA321 From Lebanon, joined Oct 2003, 389 posts, RR: 15
Reply 5, posted (10 years 9 months 2 weeks 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 2324 times:

I don't think El-Hout is in Brazil to work out any problems right now. In fact I dont see the Sao Paulo route happening this summer. Most likely El-Hout is tagging along with Lahoud to investigate the cargo/passenger market in Brazil for any future (as in 2005) decisions.

Maybe some talks are going on with Varig?

Airxliban,

The A332 can definitely fly the DKR-GRU leg, the only issue for MEA was attaining the ETOPS for the route since it exceeds the current rating they have. However it is easily achievable.




MEA321
User currently offlineBA From United States of America, joined May 2000, 11153 posts, RR: 59
Reply 6, posted (10 years 9 months 2 weeks 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 2310 times:

I was going to post this, but I've been busy this weekend. Yes, El-Hout is in Brazil to talk about starting Sao Paulo service. We should hear an announcement in March. MEA will be dry-leasing at least 1 A330 this summer, perhaps from Lufthansa.

lets not forget that F-OHLO will be gone by summer...

It's already gone.

The A330-200 can easily fly DKR-GRU at MTOW.

the only issue for MEA was attaining the ETOPS for the route since it exceeds the current rating they have.

They have 120min. ETOPs, more than enough for BEY-DKR-GRU.

Regards




"Generosity is giving more than you can, and pride is taking less than you need." - Khalil Gibran
User currently offlineYegbey01 From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 1732 posts, RR: 3
Reply 7, posted (10 years 9 months 2 weeks 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 2297 times:

Gentlemen,

In case you haven't noticed. Air Gabon is returning to Beirut this summer. Looks like one weekly B767 with a stop in DXB.

Hopefully, I can get more info on this.

Regards


User currently offlineBA From United States of America, joined May 2000, 11153 posts, RR: 59
Reply 8, posted (10 years 9 months 2 weeks 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 2293 times:

Yegbey01,

Where did you find out about Air Gabon?

Is it seasonal?

Regards



"Generosity is giving more than you can, and pride is taking less than you need." - Khalil Gibran
User currently offlineYegbey01 From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 1732 posts, RR: 3
Reply 9, posted (10 years 9 months 2 weeks 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 2292 times:

Apparently, the flight will be as I said once a week.

GN 702/703 B762
LBV-DXB-BEY-LBV. They won't be selling tickets on the DXB-BEY sector.

Flights are due to start in April. Maybe they will increase eventually. They used to operate twice weekly back in 2002.


User currently offlineBA From United States of America, joined May 2000, 11153 posts, RR: 59
Reply 10, posted (10 years 9 months 2 weeks 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 2283 times:

Yup, it's a triangle route.

Flights start on March 30 and I think it is seasonal ending in October...

Not 100% sure though. Do you have an article?

When they operated it in 2002, what aircraft did they use? Was is it also a triangle route?

Regards



"Generosity is giving more than you can, and pride is taking less than you need." - Khalil Gibran
User currently offlineMozart From Luxembourg, joined Aug 2003, 2204 posts, RR: 13
Reply 11, posted (10 years 9 months 2 weeks 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 2255 times:

Will the fact that GN comes to BEY change MEA's African plans? In any case, i haven't heard anything about those African destinations in a long time, not at least since some weeks after the COO crash.

User currently offlineMEA310 From Lebanon, joined Feb 2002, 660 posts, RR: 12
Reply 12, posted (10 years 9 months 2 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 2173 times:

They mentioned in the news tonight that El Hout is there to discuss the plans of operating a direct link between Lebanon & Brazil.Nothing else was mentioned.
F-OMEA flew the president there,it was a 15 hour non-stop from BEY.

MEA310



M5 Fastest Sedan On Earth
User currently offlineMEA330 From Lebanon, joined Aug 2002, 288 posts, RR: 7
Reply 13, posted (10 years 9 months 2 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 2155 times:

We should hear an official statement within a week regarding MEA and the route to Brazil.
By the way F-OHLO is still operating flights for MEA in an all white colour scheme, ahead of redelivery to ILFC in March.


User currently offlineMarcopolo747 From Brazil, joined Mar 2001, 460 posts, RR: 2
Reply 14, posted (10 years 9 months 2 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 2146 times:


JJ flies daily GRU-CDG and GRU-MIA with their A332s, shouldn't be a problem for ME flying BEY-GRU via whatever city in West Africa with its 332s.
Former ME sevice with 313s was via Banjul or Abidjan (I can't remember)


User currently offlineTR763 From Brazil, joined Mar 2001, 777 posts, RR: 14
Reply 15, posted (10 years 9 months 2 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 2146 times:

Hi there!
If this happens, it´s not going to be the first time. I think that some years ago MEA had regular flights to São Paulo with their 742. I´m almost sure of that (reg. flight), but maybe I´m wrong... Here is a picture of their Boeing in GRU:
View Large View Medium
Click here for bigger photo!

Photo © Jose Francisco Gouvea V. Filho




Transbrasil
User currently offlineDonder10 From Canada, joined Oct 2001, 6660 posts, RR: 21
Reply 16, posted (10 years 9 months 2 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 2137 times:

At least when MEA say they will fly a service they turn up.Air Gabon have an amazing ability to cancel service at the last moment and turn up 4 hours late when they want.


Have MEA confirmed the Cotonou service?


User currently offlineMarcopolo747 From Brazil, joined Mar 2001, 460 posts, RR: 2
Reply 17, posted (10 years 9 months 2 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 2134 times:

TR763,

Yes, ME had a regular flight to GRU, started with twice weekly 747 service, later they switched gauge to the A310-300 and when the exchange crisis hit they cancelled the route.


User currently offlineAirxLiban From Lebanon, joined Oct 2003, 4514 posts, RR: 53
Reply 18, posted (10 years 9 months 2 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 2113 times:

F-OMEA flew the president there,it was a 15 hour non-stop from BEY.

ARE THERE ANY PICTURES????????????




PARIS, FRANCE...THE BEIRUT OF EUROPE.
User currently offlineDonder10 From Canada, joined Oct 2001, 6660 posts, RR: 21
Reply 19, posted (10 years 9 months 2 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 2097 times:

Out of interest when did the large Lebanese diaspora leave the homeland?70-80s or before that?

User currently offlineBA From United States of America, joined May 2000, 11153 posts, RR: 59
Reply 20, posted (10 years 9 months 2 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 2062 times:

It started in the late 1800's and throughout the early 1900's.

Regards



"Generosity is giving more than you can, and pride is taking less than you need." - Khalil Gibran
User currently offlineDonder10 From Canada, joined Oct 2001, 6660 posts, RR: 21
Reply 21, posted (10 years 9 months 2 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 2061 times:

Thanks BA.

User currently offlineYegbey01 From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 1732 posts, RR: 3
Reply 22, posted (10 years 9 months 2 weeks 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 2030 times:

There will be another meeting between the MEA and Varig offiicials in March in Paris.. (why Paris.. no clue). That's when the announcement is expected to take place.

We shall see...................


User currently offlineYegbey01 From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 1732 posts, RR: 3
Reply 23, posted (10 years 9 months 2 weeks 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 2022 times:

A follow up:

The meeting will take place march 11 in Paris between MEA and officials from "two" other airlines from Brazil.

el-Hout reported that there are currently 22,500 pax per year that come from Brazil to Beirut. He wants to see 50,000 pax before he can push for re-opening the route as MEA can not capture the entire market.

I guess, he's probably looking to partner with varig to split the costs.


User currently offlineRG777 From Brazil, joined Jan 2004, 40 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (10 years 9 months 2 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 2003 times:

There is a fact to be considered:

The lebanese comunity in Brazil, specialy in São Paulo, is very big.
The fact that Lebanon today is a great destination for tourism and bussiness, and that GRU is the gateway to South America, it seams to be normal the intention of MEA to be flying again to Brazil.

Hugs
RG777



25 BA : 22,500 a year is not enough to fill 2x weekly A330-200s.......... It could work if they do it via Dakar or some other destination to collect more pass
26 Yegbey01 : BA, 22500 pax are each way. That means theer are about 850 pax per week each direction. If MEA gets a 50% share of that, they could rung twice weekly
27 BA : Yegbey01, You're right, but that's still not enough because throughout the year, there will be deviations in loads. It won't remain constant. You have
28 MEA310 : AirxLiban Unfortunately no photos are available, I was able to check it in last night's news report.Hope spotters at GRU managed to get some shots...
29 Post contains images BA : The A330 did not fly to GRU. It flew to a secret military base in Brasilia. Since it's a secret military base, I doubt you will find photos. Regards
30 AirxLiban : It flew to a secret military base in Brasilia. Since it's a secret military base, I doubt you will find photos. In that case maybe I shouldn't keep my
31 AirxLiban : Incidentally where are we expecting the dry leased A332 to come from? LH's are PW.
32 ToBEYwithMEA : does anyone think that they can get them from Air France??????
33 MEA321 : Im thinking U.S. Airways... Lufthansa has so few A330s and they are just starting to utilize them on their respective routes: BOS, PHL, YUL, JFK, amon
34 MEA330 : When will you give up the dream guys? The press reports talk of a meeting in March between MEA and Varig/TAM. It looks like it's a diplomatic way to d
35 BA : People, let's not assume that MEA will lease an A330 from another airline. Have you ever thought they might buy one or lease a brand new one fresh out
36 AirxLiban : I think Airbus should give MEA an honourary A330-200 as a gift because of MEA's commitment to Airbus over the last 10 years! They have operated A310-2
37 BA : France kinda did give MEA a gift back in 1997. Those 2 A320s and 2 A321s that MEA got from ILFC back in 1997 were greatly financed by the French gover
38 MEA321 : MEA330, Thanks for your insight, but telling us to give up a dream seems an overstatement on your behalf. Its a hobby for some people to speculate on
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