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Crash Of SwissAir 111 On PBS  
User currently offlineBobb From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 246 posts, RR: 0
Posted (10 years 6 months 1 week 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 4027 times:

The smart-men airline program, showing now on your PBS channel (no drunks on this program).

Forensic investigation into the 1998 SwissAir crash off Nova Scotia.


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User currently offlineVIAF From Brazil, joined Jan 2004, 196 posts, RR: 6
Reply 1, posted (10 years 6 months 1 week 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 3965 times:


That was one of the worst tragedy in the Switzerland aviation story!!!


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User currently offlineContrails From United States of America, joined Oct 2000, 1833 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (10 years 6 months 1 week 23 hours ago) and read 3859 times:

I thought this was an excellent documentary.

I knew the wiring was a factor in the fire, but I must admit to being shocked to find that the insulation played a role too. This same insulation is still being used today by airlines in the US. The FAA has given them until 2005 to replace it.

I've seen several PBS documentaries on plane crashes. They were all good - but this one by far was the best.



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User currently offlineConcordeBoy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (10 years 6 months 1 week 20 hours ago) and read 3767 times:

interesting that they never said anything at all about the IFE.....

User currently offlineMlsrar From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 1417 posts, RR: 8
Reply 4, posted (10 years 6 months 1 week 20 hours ago) and read 3764 times:

I guess that ConcordeBoy wasn't watching the same Nova show I was, as they referred to the IFE numerous times...although they called it the "IFEN"...there was even a brief clip of the J-Class on SR -11s with passengers navigating the menus on PTVs.


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User currently offlineContinentalEWR From United States of America, joined May 2000, 3762 posts, RR: 13
Reply 5, posted (10 years 6 months 1 week 14 hours ago) and read 3669 times:

They did mention the IFE as a possible source of the problem, in that the wires for this system may have contributed to the fire, perhaps by an "arcing" on short circuit. What was most shocking and revealing of the program was the theory that the co-pilot, in the final moments of flight, may have been leaning against the window in order to get a visual of the Halifax Airport as the cockpit instrument panel failed, as a result of the fire and that the backup instruments were not helpful. The theory goes that the co-pilot may have put the plane into a steep bank to the right, causing it to plunge into the North Atlantic, although the narrator made more than one reference to the fact that this was just a theory and impossible to prove. The narrator said the cockpit crew may have been disoriented and trying to visual the airport approach as a last resort. This was tied back to the fact that the aircraft instruments failed in the six or so minutes before SR 111 plunged into the water.

What was also quite disturbing is the thought that passengers, particularly those at the rear, or Economy section, might not have been aware of what was happening, although I wonder if the lights in the cabin flickered at all or simply cut out, as the electrical power failed.

Very sad story. I flew SR 110 (GVA-JFK) and SR 111 (JFK-GVA) numerous times during the 1970's and 1980's on SR's B747-100/200 and 747-300 aircraft (but never on the MD11).

Last month, I flew to Zurich from JFK on HB-IWN, the ex-Swissair Asia MD11, which is one of three or four MD11's left in the fleet. It was very hard not to reflect on those who perished Sept. 2, 1998 on the doomed HB-IWF. May their souls rest in peace.

ContinentalEWR


User currently offlineSushka From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 4784 posts, RR: 14
Reply 6, posted (10 years 6 months 1 week 2 hours ago) and read 3548 times:

That was a very good documentary. I remember when it happened, my friends dad was on that flight.  Sad  Sad


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User currently offlineVIAF From Brazil, joined Jan 2004, 196 posts, RR: 6
Reply 7, posted (10 years 6 months 1 week ago) and read 3457 times:

I read in a Swiss magazine that the documentary was nominated for a prize!

Can anybody confirm that?


User currently offlineDesertJets From United States of America, joined Feb 2000, 7773 posts, RR: 16
Reply 8, posted (10 years 6 months 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 3391 times:

It was a very excellent documentary. NOVA definately does quality stuff.

What I found most disturbing was the inaction of the aviation authorities to the findings of the Canadian TSB. Perhaps what makes it worse is that there is a continued trend in this regard.

Honestly it would be a shame to all those lives lost that nothing good could come from this tragedy.



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User currently offlineNwacrew From United States of America, joined Apr 2003, 311 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (10 years 6 months 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 3355 times:

After the crash of Swissair 111, The San Francisco Chronicle published a heartbreaking interview with two local women whose parents were on the ill-fated flight. The women's father was terrified of flying, and before buying airline tickets to Europe, researched the safety record of various transatlantic carriers. He chose to travel with Swissair, based on the airline's excellent safety record and worldwide reputation for excellence. How terrible to think that ALL of that man's worst fears about flying were ultimately realized in the last minutes of his life...

User currently offlineChrisNH From United States of America, joined Jun 1999, 4099 posts, RR: 2
Reply 10, posted (10 years 6 months 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 3330 times:

The point about IFE is a good one: during the major part of the investigation, the IFE system was taking all the arrows (and blame)...too new; untested; made by second-rate company, etc. Last night's show did in fact mention the IFE, but the blame was MUCH more on the shoulders of the insulation, which was supposed to be fire resistant...and clearly wasn't. So I think the point about IFE is a good one: Yes it was mentioned, but it wasn't 'blamed' for the fire the way the insulation was.

Chris in NH


User currently offlineWrenchBender From Canada, joined Feb 2004, 1779 posts, RR: 9
Reply 11, posted (10 years 6 months 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 3259 times:

I am including a link to the TSB of Canada report and if you take the time to read it, you will find the IFE was not at fault but it's installation was a major cause.
http://www.tsb.gc.ca/en/reports/air/1998/a98h0003/a98h0003.asp
It's an awful lot of reading, I just hope that the recommendations are actually followed. Personally the sooner the better, but economics will drive most of the corrective action.

Yours in Aviation WrenchBender



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