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KLM And Swiss In Near Miss  
User currently offlineTokolosh From Netherlands, joined Sep 2001, 365 posts, RR: 0
Posted (10 years 2 months 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 5692 times:

This was posted on the site of Amsterdam's local TV station (rough translation by me. I did a search and didn't see any other posts on this):

KLM and Swiss airliners in near miss

Planes belonging to KLM and Swiss were involved in a near miss on Wednesday morning over France. The two aircraft were separated by only 300 metres. A KLM spokesman confirmed the incident but said there had been no danger. "Both aircraft were continuously aware of each others' presence", he said.



Did the chicken or the egg get laid first?
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User currently offlineIslandHopperCO From Micronesia, joined Dec 2003, 225 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (10 years 2 months 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 5587 times:

Would that make this a "Swiss Miss"? Har Har.

User currently offlineBoeing777/747 From Belgium, joined Dec 2001, 643 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (10 years 2 months 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 5464 times:

The KLM pilots made an escape curve at the last moment. KLM says that it was an error of French ATC. KLM starts an investigation.

KLM: 45 people on board
Swiss: 175 people on board


User currently offlineEham From Netherlands, joined Sep 2003, 448 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (10 years 2 months 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 5462 times:

sources say the Swiss flight was from New York JFK to Zurich ---> MD-11 or A330 I guess

User currently offlineBoeing777/747 From Belgium, joined Dec 2001, 643 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (10 years 2 months 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 5384 times:

Low PAX-loads... what a/c type was the KLM? What route?

User currently offlineEham From Netherlands, joined Sep 2003, 448 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (10 years 2 months 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 5369 times:

Swiss flight was the LX 017 JFK-ZRH on a A340

User currently offlineBackfire From Germany, joined Oct 2006, 0 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (10 years 2 months 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 5289 times:

Separated by 300m?

So...normal RVSM separation, then?

Or are we talking horizontally?


User currently offlineGerardo From Spain, joined May 2000, 3481 posts, RR: 32
Reply 7, posted (10 years 2 months 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 5111 times:

According to news reports here in Switzerland, "both pilots followed their automatic instructions", or in other words the TCAS instructions.

Regards
Gerardo



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User currently offlinePilatusguy From Switzerland, joined Jan 2004, 315 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (10 years 2 months 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 5072 times:

here's the official news from LX:
http://www.swiss.com/web/IE6/about-swiss/sw-nw-pr-press-releases-04.htm?newsid=37655


User currently offlineDakota From Netherlands, joined Feb 2000, 147 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (10 years 2 months 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 4988 times:

It was KLM flight 1924 from Amsterdam to Geneva

PH-BTD, Boeing 737-300


User currently offlineDeltaMD11 From United States of America, joined Dec 2002, 1701 posts, RR: 35
Reply 10, posted (10 years 2 months 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 4855 times:

Wouldn't that be a near hit, rather than a near miss? A near miss would imply that there was a collision that was almost averted. At any rate, good thing that it was averted.


Too often we ... enjoy the comfort of opinion without the discomfort of thought. - John Fitzgerald Kennedy
User currently offlineMexicana757 From United States of America, joined Apr 2001, 3020 posts, RR: 29
Reply 11, posted (10 years 2 months 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 4525 times:

I agree with DeltaMD11 this was more a near hit, 300m is very close. Here is an article about this near hit. It states that the KLM pilot saw the Swiss plane coming his way.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/3503907.stm


User currently offlineEzycrew From Spain, joined Oct 2001, 460 posts, RR: 4
Reply 12, posted (10 years 2 months 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 4491 times:

Here's what's on our employee website :

"Incident in French airspace

A KLM aircraft and a SWISS aircraft came close together early this morning in French airspace near Reims. Thanks to the swift response of both crews and the onboard warning systems, the incident passed without consequence. SWISS has reported the incident to the relevant authorities.

At approximately 07.45 this morning, as SWISS flight LX 17 en route from New York JFK to Zurich was flying over the city of Reims, the onboard warning system (TCAS, traffic alert and collision avoidance system) indicated the proximity of another aircraft. The SWISS crew followed the system’s instructions and put distance between the two aircraft.

The French authorities are investigating how it was possible for the two aircraft to come close to one another. As required by regulations, SWISS has reported the incident to the relevant authorities in Switzerland.

The flight landed on schedule in Zurich.

SWISS Internal Communications"

And the Paris ATC controllers were on strike yesterday too.... I wonder if this has anything to do with the incident.

I remember in the 70's, during a French ATC strike when a Iberia DC9 collided with another Spanish passenger jet over Brittany. French ATC was blamed over this.


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