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EU's Big Five OK Armed Sky Marshals  
User currently offlineLonghaulheavy From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 402 posts, RR: 2
Posted (10 years 6 months 2 weeks 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 2095 times:



BRUSSELS, Feb. 18 (UPI) -- The European Union's five biggest states Wednesday stepped up the fight against terrorism by agreeing to allow armed sky marshals aboard certain flights.

Meeting in the German alpine resort of Garmish-Partenkirchen, the justice ministers of Britain, France, Germany, Italy and Spain -- who together represent 80 percent of the EU population -- agreed in principle to allow armed guards on passenger planes.

Last month, many EU states voiced doubts about the move, which is strongly backed by the United States. French Interior Minister Nicolas Sarkozy said sky marshals were "not a panacea" but would add "an extra layer of security."

At the two-day informal meeting, justice ministers also agreed to hand more powers to Europol. In the future, the EU police body will be responsible for preventing the counterfeiting of euro notes and organizing the return of unwanted refugees.

Copyright 2004 by United Press International.
All rights reserved.


'Bout time.

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User currently offlineLHSebi From Germany, joined Jan 2004, 1049 posts, RR: 8
Reply 1, posted (10 years 6 months 2 weeks 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 2067 times:

'Bout time

?? So you are saying it's about time to let armed people on board? I thought that's what we have been trying to avoid for the past 2.5 years! I am surprised that they have agreed on this. They should know better...

Sebastian



I guess that's what happens in the end, you start thinking about the beginning.
User currently offlineGLA MD11 From France, joined Mar 2000, 277 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (10 years 6 months 2 weeks 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 2056 times:

My guess would be US pressure was becoming to harsh...
I personnally do not think it is a good idea...


User currently offlineRegis From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (10 years 6 months 2 weeks 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 2054 times:

What if terrorists infiltrate the air marshal services? I have my doubts if this is really an extra layer of security or an extra risk to passengers.

User currently offlineA330 From Belgium, joined May 1999, 649 posts, RR: 7
Reply 4, posted (10 years 6 months 2 weeks 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 2018 times:

NOT on my plane hey won't.
And 95% of my collegues feel the same.
All flights with an armed person onboard WILL be cancelled by the Flight-crew.




Shiek!
User currently offlineFoxBravo From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 2996 posts, RR: 4
Reply 5, posted (10 years 6 months 2 weeks 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 1998 times:

To those who are opposed to air marshals: how many passengers have been hurt by air marshals in the 30 years that El Al has used them? And how many terrorist incidents has El Al experienced during that time?


Common sense is not so common. -Voltaire
User currently offlineNWAFA From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 1893 posts, RR: 15
Reply 6, posted (10 years 6 months 2 weeks 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 1995 times:

Having Air Marshalls on board has been really great. I like knowing there training and background has been checked well.

I have a problem with Flight Deck members with guns. Major problem with that.

The FAM program is great!



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User currently offlineTeva From France, joined Jan 2001, 1871 posts, RR: 16
Reply 7, posted (10 years 6 months 2 weeks 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 1959 times:

I prefer Air Marshalls to armed pilots. However, about El-Al, the main reason is all the security that is BEFORE the aircraft.
Teva



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User currently offlineFoxBravo From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 2996 posts, RR: 4
Reply 8, posted (10 years 6 months 2 weeks 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 1942 times:

I don't support armed pilots at all. Nor should air marshals be a substitute for good security on the ground. However, I do believe that air marshals make sense in the way that El Al uses them--as a final line of defense in case all of the other security measures fail.


Common sense is not so common. -Voltaire
User currently offlineJGPH1A From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (10 years 6 months 2 weeks 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 1916 times:

A better question would be how many hijackings have been foiled by the armed skymarshall on board - have there been any ? I don't recall any.

I don't like the idea of ANYONE on my flight having a gun, and if ground security can't guarantee that, let me know and I won't fly.


User currently offlineLonghaulheavy From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 402 posts, RR: 2
Reply 10, posted (10 years 6 months 2 weeks 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 1847 times:

A better question would be how many hijackings have been foiled by the armed skymarshall on board - have there been any ? I don't recall any.

The proper question to ask first is whether there have ever been any hijackings attempted on planes that carried sky marshals. As far as I know, the answer to that question is no. I have only seen mention of their usage in certain cases where they helped to detain unruly/psychotic passengers.

But once you ask the first question, then you can legitimately ask whether it was worth having them on board, if you're trying to attack their effectiveness. You can't just say, "Hey, they're ineffective! There have been hijackings - where were the sky marshals?" Perhaps there weren't any on the flight.


User currently offline767-332ER From United States of America, joined Mar 2001, 2030 posts, RR: 10
Reply 11, posted (10 years 6 months 2 weeks 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 1824 times:


I think we are working too hard on the ground to keep guns OUT of airplanes and now we are introducing them...????? I don't care how well trained the skymarshall is, if there's a hostage situation up there, there could be a huge mess...I think the efforts in safety need to be concentrated on the ground and keeping stuff and shady people out of airplanes. Just like someone said..."I don't like the idea of there being a gun on my airplane."



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