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F9 Will Do PHL-DEN And LAX  
User currently offlineLambertMan From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 2070 posts, RR: 36
Posted (10 years 5 months 1 week 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 3981 times:

Well this is kind of surprising, PHL will start out as a two city market for F9 with the obviuos and the other being LAX. At least that is what it shows on the route map. Sorry if this was something already that has already been brought up.

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User currently offlineAlphascan From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 937 posts, RR: 13
Reply 1, posted (10 years 5 months 1 week 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 3898 times:

Where did you see the route map? Could you post a link? If not, guess we'll know in about 3 hours.


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User currently offlineUsairways85 From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 3390 posts, RR: 7
Reply 2, posted (10 years 5 months 1 week 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 3895 times:

really??? That's great. I was thinking about this and that it could be a possibilty F9 serves both DEN and LAX.

No, this is definitely new since everyone was just assuming F9 would only fly from DEN


User currently onlineMSYtristar From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 6521 posts, RR: 51
Reply 3, posted (10 years 5 months 1 week 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 3875 times:

Wow. I wasn't expecting this from the get go. I think PHL-LAX will be a good market. Interesting move to say the least...but a good one...the fares in PHL-LAX will go down substantially. F9's coach product is much better than what US offers. I can definetely see us getting some market share from US.


Steve/NewOrleans


User currently offlineHaveric From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 1247 posts, RR: 4
Reply 4, posted (10 years 5 months 1 week 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 3873 times:

Man, I really thought they'd open service from DEN to Little Rock!!

Seriously though, this was an obvious choice for F9, despite what the "experts" on this site have said.


User currently offlineWmupilot From United States of America, joined Jan 2003, 1473 posts, RR: 12
Reply 5, posted (10 years 5 months 1 week 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 3871 times:

http://www.frontierairlines.com/

click on the picture of the United States in the book flight section.



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User currently offlineMariner From New Zealand, joined Nov 2001, 25008 posts, RR: 85
Reply 6, posted (10 years 5 months 1 week 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 3862 times:
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PHL - LAX - I was hoping for it, but I wasn't holding my breath:

http://www.frontierairlines.com/

Click on the map and you'll see.

cheers

mariner



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User currently offlineLambertMan From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 2070 posts, RR: 36
Reply 7, posted (10 years 5 months 1 week 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 3862 times:

Possibly they are positioning themselves in PHL if US folds to really make some type of a focus city along the lines of LAX. LAX, DEN, and PHL five years down the road would look real good balance and O/D wise. PIT fans have to be crying about them choosing PHL over them.

User currently offlineHaveric From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 1247 posts, RR: 4
Reply 8, posted (10 years 5 months 1 week 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 3844 times:

PHL is at least 3x the size of PIT in terms of O/D. Also US has a greater % of PIT traffic than they do PHL....

User currently offlineDIA From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 3273 posts, RR: 28
Reply 9, posted (10 years 5 months 1 week 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 3847 times:

Look on the lower, lefthand side of the page. It says "Route Map" and has Philidelphia alredy on there.

http://www.frontierairlines.com/

Also, they have just listed PHL as a future city under their headlines.



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User currently offlineUsairways85 From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 3390 posts, RR: 7
Reply 10, posted (10 years 5 months 1 week 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 3807 times:

PHL is also loaded into the schedules.
2x daily to DEN
1x daily to LAX


User currently offlineDIA From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 3273 posts, RR: 28
Reply 11, posted (10 years 5 months 1 week 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 3756 times:

I haven't followed every posting on this. . .so let me throw this bone out to you guys. . .

Does it look as if F9's next hubs, or focus cities, will be L.A. and Philidelphia? A balanced route system. . .LAX, DEN, PHL. . .looks good at least.



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User currently offlineSunValley From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (10 years 5 months 1 week 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 3735 times:

I would also expect a reaction from US soon. (kind of like the NW reaction to F9) and the dumping of lots of seats onto the market.

User currently offlineDIA From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 3273 posts, RR: 28
Reply 13, posted (10 years 5 months 1 week 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 3723 times:

I agree with SunValley. The fact is, you can only expand so much before you have to start stepping on other's toes.


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User currently offlineMariner From New Zealand, joined Nov 2001, 25008 posts, RR: 85
Reply 14, posted (10 years 5 months 1 week 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 3684 times:
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SunValley and DIA:

I'm sure you're both right, but I'm not sure how much dumping US can do.

They are already gearing up for battle with Southwest's arrival at PHL, and they are not in the same financial position as NW.

DIA:

I agree with your comment that a LAX/DEN/PHL axis looks good.

But given that Southwest is setting up shop at PHL, I'm not sure if F9 would do the same.

A superstitious thought: the PHL flight means that F9 will (I think) have 13 daily departures from LAX.

13? Maybe they'll add a flight to somewhere else to get away from #13.  Smile/happy/getting dizzy

cheers

mariner



aeternum nauta
User currently offlineUAL747DEN From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 2392 posts, RR: 11
Reply 15, posted (10 years 5 months 1 week 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 3543 times:

Great News!!! I do not think that F9 will be trying to have any kind of hub at PHL what you see now is how it will stay. F9 will not go up against WN and the fact that they are doing LAX is even surprising. Im sure US is not going to be very happy about this but in all reality they cant do anything about it. They are a broke airline just waiting to go out of business.... Great job F9


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User currently offlineKohflot From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 16, posted (10 years 5 months 1 week 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 3518 times:

Keep in mind, PHL-LAX isn't a move only against USAirways. There's a certain little Chicago-based airline that's had a little experience competing with Frontier and that also operates a few PHL-LAX roundtrips themselves.....

User currently offlineNWAFA From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 1893 posts, RR: 16
Reply 17, posted (10 years 5 months 1 week 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 3489 times:

But that "little chicago based" airline has flown PHL-LAX for a long time now.

Wow,F9 doing LAX-PHL.......keep strong USAir!



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User currently offlineLuv2fly From United States of America, joined May 2003, 12090 posts, RR: 49
Reply 18, posted (10 years 5 months 1 week 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 3461 times:

I think it was in reference to UA!!!! US is not a Chicago based carrier.


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User currently offlineNWAFA From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 1893 posts, RR: 16
Reply 19, posted (10 years 5 months 1 week 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 3448 times:

if your talking to me, Luv2fly, yea that is who I was talking about. UA has flown Philly-LAX for a long time. I was just wishing USAir good luck!


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User currently offlinePVD757 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 3411 posts, RR: 17
Reply 20, posted (10 years 5 months 1 week 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 3446 times:

Things certainly continue to get interesting, still hoping F9 will fly into PVD. I too am surprised at the LAX flight, F9 will be conpeting against 2 other carriers on the route, something they seem to try avoid when possible...

User currently offlineUSAFHummer From United States of America, joined May 2000, 10685 posts, RR: 53
Reply 21, posted (10 years 5 months 1 week 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 3411 times:

Chalk me up as well for being shocked at the PHL-LAX by F9 announcement (which will be their longest flight I believe?)...whats next for F9?

Greg



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User currently offlineKohflot From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 22, posted (10 years 5 months 1 week 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 3401 times:

The more I think about this, the more I think it's a pre-emptive move.. against America West and ATA. Both have been opportunistically adding transcons. With the problems at US, it was likely only a matter of time before either (or both) of them move in with flights from the west coast. Frontier's boldly staking a claim before it happens...

It likely doesn't help Independence Air either.. just more LCC saturation in their markets before they get off the ground..


User currently offlineRthrbeflying86 From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 243 posts, RR: 1
Reply 23, posted (10 years 5 months 1 week 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 3338 times:

So what's the news on F9's gate space at PHL? I didn't see anything in their press release.

Dan



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User currently offlineNWAFA From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 1893 posts, RR: 16
Reply 24, posted (10 years 5 months 1 week 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 3293 times:

What is the story of "independance air"...where? when?


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25 Dia77 : USAFHummer, DEN-ANC will actually be F9's longest flight (2399 miles). It's 4 miles longer than LAX-PHL (2395 miles), according to F9's website.
26 Post contains images Flashmeister : WOW - PHL-LAX total price is $218 with taxes. That's cheap. Hope F9 can make some money on this route...
27 Flyboy7974 : the smartest thing about this new move is that frontier attacks two routes that are dominated by the alliance between usairways and united, they have
28 Flyboy7974 : the smartest thing about this new move is that frontier attacks two routes that are dominated by the alliance between usairways and united, they have
29 F9Fan : I like the move to PHL. Did anyone notice that the LAX-PHL flight number is 1776? Cute. A focus city at PHL is intriguing. I think it could work bette
30 Haveric : F9Fan -- so long as US remains a viable carrier, there is no gate space for a mini-F9 hub at PHL. However, there is talk of building a hammerhead on T
31 DCA-ROCguy : I agree, Kohflot. Sounds like Frontier doesn't want to be left out of the LCC transcon ballgame. But their current route system doesn't offer many tra
32 Carfield : Well the new F9 schedule from LAX to PHL is both redeye departures. Leaving PHL around 9pm and arriving LA around 11pm... the return will leave LA aro
33 Post contains links DIA : Here's the official press release on F9's site (with flight times): http://www.frontierairlines.com/news/articleDisplay.asp?article=/general/2004/pr_0
34 Post contains links Elwood64151 : http://www.frontierairlines.com/news/articleDisplay.asp?article=/general/2004/pr_02192004.news Frontier Airlines Heads East with New Service (Feb. 19,
35 Jaws707 : A little off topic, but does Frontier still have an agreement with Mesa? I found some CRJ-200 photos painted in the Frontier colors that were operated
36 Post contains images Scottb : Another somewhat off-topic observation -- flights 1775 and 1776 seem to be Frontier's first regularly scheduled flight numbers above 1000 operated on
37 Mariner : Jaws707: No. Mesa ended its realtionship with Frontier in order to fly Express for UAL out of DEN. This left Frontier free, happily, to find someone e
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